Is there sunscreen product with PA+++?
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free skin care · Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:52 pm

I am looking for a sunscreen product with PA+++. The best if it's all natural.

Right now I am using La Roche Posay. It's not bad, but it's not natural and it has no PA+++ either.

Could any of you give me some suggestions?

Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:32 pm

Hi what do you mean La Roche Posay has no PA+++? PA+++ is just a rating system for UVA protection, used in Japan. LRP products usually have excellent UVA protection, but labeled in PPD rating instead of PA rating. The LRP products in Japan are all labeled PA+++.

free skin care · Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:52 am

Kissmark wrote:

Hi what do you mean La Roche Posay has no PA+++? PA+++ is just a rating system for UVA protection, used in Japan. LRP products usually have excellent UVA protection, but labeled in PPD rating instead of PA rating. The LRP products in Japan are all labeled PA+++.

yes, Kissmark is very right. PA+++ is just a japanese rating system for UVA protection. I would rather rely on PPD rating, it is more accurate.
LRP sunscreens have a very high PPD and it should be written somewhere what exactly.
and yes, these are chemical sunscreens and "not natural" of course. You might have a look into all-physical (mineral) ss, however physical ones usually have lower PPD. I`ve switched from LRP Fluide Extreme 40 SPF to Devita 30 SPF, which is all-physical sunscreen.

free skin care · Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:48 am

I always feel that sunblock is very greasy, do you have any suggestion of a sunblock which is non- greasy feeling?

free skin care · Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:14 am

LRP is extremely greasy for me too. I have combo-oily skin and am very happy with Devita now. I even use a little bit of another moisturizer under it and it is still not greasy!

free skin care · Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:22 pm

wancy_2000 wrote:

I always feel that sunblock is very greasy, do you have any suggestion of a sunblock which is non- greasy feeling?

Devita sunscreen isn't greasy.

free skin care · Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:24 pm

I thought PA+++ only applies to Japanese sunscreens?

Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:13 pm

Stardustdy wrote:

I thought PA+++ only applies to Japanese sunscreens?

PA+++ applies to any sunscreen that is sold in Japan. So when the European or American brands come to Japan, they have to label their sunscreens in PA system. This is required by the Japanese FDA. Sometimes the European brands also label PPD inaddition.

By the way just for additional info, Clinique's City Block spf 40 is labeled PA++ here, which means the uv protection isn't that high.

For non greas susncreens I like Shiseido or Sofina.

free skin care · Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:12 pm

thank you very much for the above answers. I used to hear that spf means protection from UVA/UVB, while pa+++ means our skin wouldn't become dark from the sun

free skin care · Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:23 am

bugfish wrote:

thank you very much for the above answers. I used to hear that spf means protection from UVA/UVB, while pa+++ means our skin wouldn't become dark from the sun

not quite right
SPF stands for UVB protection, that is - how long you can stay in the sun without getting burned.
that is - if your skin allows you to stay in the sun without protection 20 min not being burned, SPF factor shows how many times that time you can stay in the sun. (for ex. with SPF 15 you can stay in the sun 15x20 min=300 min - theoretically at least).

while PPD or PA+++ stands for UVA protection. and that`s UVA what is to blame for foto-aging and skin cancer.

that said - if a sunscreen has high SPF number but low PPD or PA number, it`s doing little work for you in fact.

free skin care · Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:53 am

Kissmark wrote:

For non greas susncreens I like Shiseido or Sofina.

Shiseido one is not pure all-physical, it contains chemical ingredient Octinoxate for UVB protection, which can have some weak hormonal (estrogen-like) effects.

here is the thread:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=28764&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=shiseido&start=0

free skin care · Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:17 am

A PA+++ only has a PPD of about 8, so it's not very good UVA protection. That said, a ton of people swear by Shiseido spf 55 and Sofina Lucent, which are both PA+++. They both supposedly have a matte texture.

If you're looking for great s/s with nice finishes, skincarecentral.biz has the best IMO. My favorites are SVR 50, Avene Fluide 50+, and Bioderma Max Fluide 50+.

Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:29 am

I read somewhere before that PA+++ has a PPD of 8 or above. So, for example, the LRP Anthelios, that has PPD 32, will be labeled “+++” using the PA system and another sunscreen I use with PPD 10 will also be labeled “+++.” I think the PA system is a bit too broad. PPD is a more specific indicator.

free skin care · Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:49 am

bellasera wrote:

I read somewhere before that PA+++ has a PPD of 8 or above. So, for example, the LRP Anthelios, that has PPD 32, will be labeled “+++” using the PA system and another sunscreen I use with PPD 10 will also be labeled “+++.” I think the PA system is a bit too broad. PPD is a more specific indicator.

yeah I agreed with u too...it's a bit vague to use PA+++ on anything that's PPD 8 & above. I assume the ss in Japan does that and most of the jap. ss is mostly around PPD 8 or 10?

free skin care · Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:20 pm

yes, both Shiseido and Sofina sunscreens have a PPD around 8 or 10... not much Confused

free skin care · Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:13 pm

Aiva wrote:

yes, both Shiseido and Sofina sunscreens have a PPD around 8 or 10... not much Confused

I guess it would be enough if you're just going out for a bit but not like long hrs under the sun. Try not to stress too much about it. This forum about sunscreen and PPD is driving me nuts. I've been going crazy over which ss to get and it's a hassle to try out different ones and then experiencing breakouts. If Shiseido & Sofina works for u, just stick with it...

free skin care · Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:19 pm

Stardustdy wrote:

This forum about sunscreen and PPD is driving me nuts.

me too

free skin care · Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:51 pm

I think you should try physical sunscreen, which offers both UVA and UVB protection. Unlike chemical SS, you can apply and go. No wait time required!

I've been using this moisturizing sunscreen which contain 20% zinc oxide, and am very happy with it.

free skin care · Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:01 pm

ruk1 wrote:

I think you should try physical sunscreen, which offers both UVA and UVB protection. Unlike chemical SS, you can apply and go. No wait time required!

I've been using this moisturizing sunscreen which contain 20% zinc oxide, and am very happy with it.

would you elaborate on this? how is it called? is it purely physical or contains some chemicals? is it greasy? what is your skin-type?
thanks

Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:33 pm

Aiva wrote:

Stardustdy wrote:

This forum about sunscreen and PPD is driving me nuts.

me too

me third. I was so crazy about PPD until i realize that ppd 10 means 90% protection and ppd25 means 96% protection. 6% really isn't that huge of a difference. Now I just use the one with the finish I like.

free skin care · Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:56 am

PA+++ only use in japan,it's the same to ppd... in usa and europe.

free skin care · Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:25 pm

Kissmark wrote:

Aiva wrote:

Stardustdy wrote:

This forum about sunscreen and PPD is driving me nuts.

me too

me third. I was so crazy about PPD until i realize that ppd 10 means 90% protection and ppd25 means 96% protection. 6% really isn't that huge of a difference. Now I just use the one with the finish I like.

Kissmark, how did u find out that PPD 10 gives 96% protection? If that's the case, then I guess PPD 10 should be enough for daily use?

free skin care · Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:47 pm

Stardustdy wrote:

Kissmark wrote:

Aiva wrote:

Stardustdy wrote:

This forum about sunscreen and PPD is driving me nuts.

me too

me third. I was so crazy about PPD until i realize that ppd 10 means 90% protection and ppd25 means 96% protection. 6% really isn't that huge of a difference. Now I just use the one with the finish I like.

Kissmark, how did u find out that PPD 10 gives 96% protection? If that's the case, then I guess PPD 10 should be enough for daily use?

PPD 10 gives 90%
PPD 25 gives 96%
I would assume PPD10 to be sufficient for everyday use in a mild-climate zone.

free skin care · Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:19 pm

Aiva wrote:

Stardustdy wrote:

Kissmark wrote:

Aiva wrote:

Stardustdy wrote:

This forum about sunscreen and PPD is driving me nuts.

me too

me third. I was so crazy about PPD until i realize that ppd 10 means 90% protection and ppd25 means 96% protection. 6% really isn't that huge of a difference. Now I just use the one with the finish I like.

Kissmark, how did u find out that PPD 10 gives 96% protection? If that's the case, then I guess PPD 10 should be enough for daily use?

PPD 10 gives 90%
PPD 25 gives 96%
I would assume PPD10 to be sufficient for everyday use in a mild-climate zone.

Thanks Aiva! Can I ask where u obtained those info? Smile

free skin care · Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:42 pm

Stardustdy wrote:

Aiva wrote:

Stardustdy wrote:

Kissmark wrote:

Aiva wrote:

Stardustdy wrote:

This forum about sunscreen and PPD is driving me nuts.

me too

me third. I was so crazy about PPD until i realize that ppd 10 means 90% protection and ppd25 means 96% protection. 6% really isn't that huge of a difference. Now I just use the one with the finish I like.

Kissmark, how did u find out that PPD 10 gives 96% protection? If that's the case, then I guess PPD 10 should be enough for daily use?

PPD 10 gives 90%
PPD 25 gives 96%
I would assume PPD10 to be sufficient for everyday use in a mild-climate zone.

Thanks Aiva! Can I ask where u obtained those info? Smile

from Kissmark`s post Laughing

I`ve just corrected you - you wrote PPD 10 gived 96%. Sorry if it was confusing Embarassed

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