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Has anybody tried the DPL System that uses infrared light?
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Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:41 pm      Reply with quote
Did it work for you?

How satisfied are you with results?
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Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:34 pm      Reply with quote
DPL is one of the weakest LED systems, though it is probably one of the easiest to use.

I would recommend reading the "how to choose an LED device" thread on the Skin Tools forum (see below).

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=28996

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Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:53 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks! Can you guys tell me which are the best LED devices?
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Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:06 pm      Reply with quote
Uh oh...here we go again. Do yourself a favor (and the rest of us) and read the link above. If you have specific questions, you can ask them there.
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I already read part of the suggested thread but it would probably be more helpful if someone just could give me an idea of what the consensus seems to be regarding the best or most popular LED device. In other words, I suppose there are a couple of products most people have tried and liked. It will be appreciated if someone is kind enough to list them here.
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loboman wrote:
I already read part of the suggested thread but it would probably be more helpful if someone just could give me an idea of what the consensus seems to be regarding the best or most popular LED device. In other words, I suppose there are a couple of products most people have tried and liked. It will be appreciated if someone is kind enough to list them here.


The newer LEDS most used by people on the website (in NO particular order) are listed below...you can find details on each in the thread I mentioned above, plus there are specific threads by manufacturer.

ProLight Platinum
ProLight Professional - Red
ProLight Professional - Amber
Anti-Aging LightStim
Quasar SP
Baby Quasar

You will find that there are several views on selecting LEDS....some people like to look at pictures, some people like to read technical specs, and some people want to call a vendor and have them recommend a certain model based on their needs.

I prefer the technical specs when making a decision, and chose to go with ProLight after reviewing the various models. I also liked the certified skin care knowledge provided by the owner, and have found her to be a great resource on a large variety of skin questions.

Other people have made other choices, and have been pleased with those as well.

It comes down to what your needs are, what your skin type is, and what kind of support you are looking for...the answers to those should help you to make a decision.

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Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:42 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks a lot Bethany! I'll take a look at all those options....
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I have a dpl and it is easy and quick to use. I also have a prolight Pro - red model and am tickled pink about it.... Now I want the amber...

Depends upon your needs. Just off the cuff I would say the prolight platinum and anti-aging stim seem to have rave reviews as great over all choices.
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I also have a prolight Pro - red model and am tickled pink about it.... Now I want the amber...

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I am with you thinking the amber would be good also!
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Toby wrote:
sister sweets wrote:
I also have a prolight Pro - red model and am tickled pink about it.... Now I want the amber...

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I am with you thinking the amber would be good also!
Toby


Oh I know! And you can use the red in one hand and the amber in the other on each side of the face at the same time and then switch.
I want it I want it!!!!
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sister sweets wrote:
Toby wrote:
sister sweets wrote:
I also have a prolight Pro - red model and am tickled pink about it.... Now I want the amber...

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I am with you thinking the amber would be good also!
Toby


Oh I know! And you can use the red in one hand and the amber in the other on each side of the face at the same time and then switch.
I want it I want it!!!!

This is exactly what I do!!! ProLight Amber is fun, it is happy and bright like a little sun Wink
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I was looking into becoming a distributor for the DPL system. However, it looks like you guys have found Prolight much more effective. Do you guys believe Prolight Platinum (home use) is better than the DPL system? (I understand the professional Prolight is much better than DPL).
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loboman wrote:
I was looking into becoming a distributor for the DPL system. However, it looks like you guys have found Prolight much more effective. Do you guys believe Prolight Platinum (home use) is better than the DPL system? (I understand the professional Prolight is much better than DPL).


It comes down to:
- the strength of the unit and the ability to generate enough energy to drive cellular change, and
- the wavelengths included

DPL generates a paltry 0.0074 joules/second and includes only 660,880 wavelengths (NO amber)

ProLight Platinum generates 0.216 joules/second and includes 590,630,660,730,880 wavelengths (includes amber).

So YES, all Prolight models are better than DPL.

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Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:19 am      Reply with quote
bethany wrote:
loboman wrote:
I was looking into becoming a distributor for the DPL system. However, it looks like you guys have found Prolight much more effective. Do you guys believe Prolight Platinum (home use) is better than the DPL system? (I understand the professional Prolight is much better than DPL).

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So YES, all Prolight models are better than DPL.

loboman - As a user that used DPL, and currently using ProLight Red and ProLight Amber I agree with bethany that any ProLight is stronger and more effective then DPL. You can contact Rita Page of ProLight Aesthetics to ask questions, and discuss distributor opportunities.
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isn't it because prolight has more lights in it in comparision with DPL where the lights are more spaced?

I still don't know what specifically amber wavelenghts(near infrared?) do versus far infrared and red lights?
I think I read somewhere that far infrared is the best..
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Kandy - ProLight is stronger because it has greater LEDs output, e.g. more powerful.
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ok thanks, but I see here a page on the DPL site that compares several products amongst which the prolight. I don't see it being more powerful reading those specs, or maybe certain information is missing?

Comparison of Anti-aging LED Systems:

<b>LED wavelengths</b>
DPL therapy system: 660nm & 880nm
ProLight Red: 660nm
Lightstim: 600-1000nm
Baby Quasar: 632-1000nm
Photo Energetics: 655-940nm
Prolight Amber: 590nm

Oh, I see now on the Prolight website that the Prolight Platinum has 5 multiple wavelenghts. Wavelengths from the 590nm(+/-10nm) to 880/940nm(+/-10nm).

I don't understand why the Platinum is so much cheaper than the other ones of Prolight though, seems to be the best choice..


Then there is still the LEDman who could make the same stuff cheaper.. Cool
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Kandy - did you read other LED threads? We have covered DPL comparisons on other LED threads. For ProLight Professional it comes with a year or two of support, and manuals, so it is factored into the price. Usually there is a balance between price and light power output&size. You need to decide for yourself what is more important for you.
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I am busy reading several threads now, a bit overwhelmed with all the info. Smile
sorry if I went offtopic here..
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Kandy,

A number of us did an extensive analysis of the technical attributes of the home LEDS available at that point in time, including what actually drives the results (the energy generated by the LEDs). That info is pretty much detailed on the "How do I decide on a LED thread," though I did take down the chart.

The one thing I can tell you with certainty is that DPL is one of the weakest models there is, and the comparison info they have on the ProLight is WRONG. Rita at Prolight has contacted them at various sites to have it removed, but it is an ongoing battle for her to stay on top of that and all the places the erroneous data appears.

If you want to buy a DPL, go for it. But most of us would not recommend it.

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Bethany,

thanks for the info. After reading that, the DPL doesn't look so interesting to me anymore.
It's true that if you don't know enough about the science, you can easily be misled by that type of comparisions..
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Beth is right about the "wrong" info for ProLight.. It's wrong for LightStim also... Food for thought; If you are on a site that sells LED's, *most* will all say the competition is inferior.. It's just what they do..

If you want the best that money can buy, do your homework and look for the following wavelengths;

610 (amber/orange) (between 600 - 625 will suffice)
690 (red) (between 660 - 690 will suffice)
730 (dim red) (between 710 to 740 will suffice)
830 (infrared) (between 815 to 860 will suffice)

Here is what you will find in *most* at home, or hand held devices, because frankly, they give the manufacturer the biggest profit margin. These are the typical wavelengths found;

Inexpensive LEDs typically come in 630, 660, 850, and 880 nm with a hard-to-find (expensive) gap between 710 and 830 nm.

From: http://heelspurs.com/led.html#opti

Anyhoo, that's my 2 cents worth... Very Happy

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Heelspurs does have quite a bit of info. He mainly uses the LEDs for healing and pain. He has a link for anyone who has experienced improved skin (wrinkles,etc )to respond to him.
Has anyone here who has seen improvement emailed him ????
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skin care addict wrote:
Heelspurs does have quite a bit of info. He mainly uses the LEDs for healing and pain. He has a link for anyone who has experienced improved skin (wrinkles,etc )to respond to him.
Has anyone here who has seen improvement emailed him ????


I've corresponded with him a few times over the last nine months.

He is really a genius when it comes to LED's.

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Kassy_A wrote:
... Inexpensive LEDs typically come in 630, 660, 850, and 880 nm with a hard-to-find (expensive) gap between 710 and 830 nm....

This particular item pretty often being overlooked, and companies seldom include expensive LEDs in their devices.
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