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Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:09 pm  |
ok Bethany sounds good I will wait for your reviews. I wish you luck with this.
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:21 pm |
| ezduzit wrote: |
ok Bethany sounds good I will wait for your reviews. I wish you luck with this.
Sylvia |
Thanks...I'll keep you posted! |
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Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:18 pm |
I remember telling my sister that I could not imagine anyone who did not have a pressing cosmetic or medical issue undergoing the Obagi process, as it was so unsightly and so painful. If I had not experienced increasing numbers of melasma patches on my face, I never would have done it, based on cost alone. In fact, when my doctor first suggested Obagi, I had just one large patch, and I figured I could have it lasered for far less than it would cost to maintain an ongoing Obagi regimen.
Once I realized that these patches were popping up more frequently and would continue to do so, it was the only motivating factor that helped me begin and stick with the program. Vanity, vanity, lol. The nice extra benefit was that it also helped my thyroid-disease-triggered acne, which was my original reason for seeing a dermatologist. I no longer use the Zania prescription and I no longer have the breakouts at all. It was very strange to have acne again in mid life! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:32 pm |
Just an FYI on the VISIA analysis that I did today...it looks like I saw some definite improvement in my pigmentation, so I will be continuing on my pigmentation eradication plan!
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I had to go back to the derm today, and while I was there I requested that they do another VISIA and lower my age by 10 years as I had suggested earlier in this thread (they couldn't manage to do it with the previous picture, sigh)
My scores: 9/18 (42 y/o) vs 10/27 (32 y/o)
- Fine lines and wrinkles - 99% at 42 (67% at 32)
- Hyperpigmentation (age/dark spots) - 73% at 42 (92% at 32)
- Enlarged pores - 97% at 42 (96% at 32)
- Texture (skin smoothness) - 85% at 42 (96% at 32)
- Porphyrins (evidence of bacterial growth) - 16 at 42 (4 at 32) counted in the designated area
- Sun damage (UV spots) - 105 at 42 (98 at 32) counted in the designated area
A couple of comments:
- Fine lines and wrinkles - this category dropped by 32%. I expected a decrease because I am comparing myself to a 32 y/o woman. However, I happen to have a black eye today on that side from the derm appt on Friday, and the machine picked that up as wrinkles in that area due to the receding swelling. The derm told me that I would have scored higher without the black eye since that was the only area with wrinkles marked, so I still don't have a new wrinkles number to compare myself against, darn it. 
- I did want to point out the significant improvements in both Hyperpigmentation (up 19%) and Texture (up 11%)...even though I am NOW comparing myself to someone that is 10 years younger! I also had a decrease in actual UV spots counted. WOO HOO!!!
I attribute 100% of these changes to both the ZO Skin Health products that I have been using since 9/8, and the 2 weeks that I recently did on Obagi Nu Derm (and yes, I will be going back for MORE!).
Needless to say, I am very much looking forward to seeing my results in 6 months (around late March). I will be doing them at both 42 and 32 at that point in time, and will share the results then.
Ok...I need to go run and slather myself with some more products! 
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=30842
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:01 pm |
BTW, I got my Vivite' Vibrance (aka VV) today.
I am now out of my ZO Growth Factor Serum, so I think I will start using the VV once a day in the morning, and rotate it with the Obagi Clear which I will only be using 2x a week to start with.
I will continue with my ZO products at night, except when I am using the Nu Derm Blender/RA 2x a week. |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:29 pm |
Glad to hear you got your VV good luck hope it works. Keep us updated!!!
Oh almost forgot to ask you where did you order it from ?? |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:38 pm |
| ezduzit wrote: |
Glad to hear you got your VV good luck hope it works. Keep us updated!!!
Oh almost forgot to ask you where did you order it from ?? |
I got it on ebay!! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:33 pm |
Hi Everyone!
Bethany - glad to hear that your redness is going away. Poor thing! (The things we do to ourselves in the name of beauty, huh?) Congratulations on your impressive VISIA results. (I need to research that further - so that I can understand just *how* impressive they really are!) 
Anyway - just thought I'd check in with all the other Nu Derm users. Tomorrow will be Day 6 (I think?) and so far, I am now understanding that "vigorous exfoliation" is kind of an understatement! I feel sort of like some over-achieving snake - as I'm shedding more layers of skin than I thought I even *had* available to shed! (Sorry for the gross analogy.)
The past few days seem to have been the worst - and things are calming down now (hopefully). I swear, I would wake up in the morning and be peeling. That would settle down after a morning shower - and, by the evening, I'd be peeling again! (But, oddly enough - not on my neck at all - though I'm applying it there too - as directed.)
My husband looked at my very red face on Saturday and asked me if I had been out in the sun. When I told him it was a new facial treatment I was trying - he did a doubletake and asked me "You did this to your face on purpose??? Ohhhhkkkkayyyy...." (But, good husband that he is - he of course, then backtracked and said "But, uh, I mean - I think you're beautiful without any beauty treatments..." LOL
I did cheat, though - because last night we had dinner plans with friends. I skipped the morning routine, loaded up on Dermabase all day - and put on MMU to cover up the monkey red face... I didn't want them to think I'd been drinking all day before we went out! 
I don't know about the rest of you ladies, but I think I'm peeling more on Obagi than I ever did after Fraxel! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:53 pm |
Impressive results, Bethany. I will look forward to your March results!
taobunny, you sound to be doing great on the Nu Derm. I think you will have great results!
I am starting week 5 and I hate to tell you but I am still flaking! Just like you, I wake up in the morning with the flakes, after washing I am fine, and then the flakes are there again in the afternoon. My neck is also flaking, as I am using it there, as well. Just an FYI taobunny, if you have a planned event, you can stop the products for a few days prior to your event so your flaking will stop, and then start right up again afterwards. |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:25 pm |
| taobunny wrote: |
Hi Everyone!
Bethany - glad to hear that your redness is going away. Poor thing! (The things we do to ourselves in the name of beauty, huh?) Congratulations on your impressive VISIA results. (I need to research that further - so that I can understand just *how* impressive they really are!)
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From the percentage standpoint, the 99% fine line/wrinkle score means that 99% of 42 y/o fair skinned caucasian women have MORE wrinkles than me. So I am in the top 1% of my group. But my pigmentation scores needed some improvement, darn it...but it looks like I am on my way!
It sounds like you are doing GREAT on Nu Derm...at least you didn't have to quit like me, lol. I agree with Riley...it sounds like you will have great results. I am VERY jealous! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:30 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
Impressive results, Bethany. I will look forward to your March results!
taobunny, you sound to be doing great on the Nu Derm. I think you will have great results!
I am starting week 5 and I hate to tell you but I am still flaking! Just like you, I wake up in the morning with the flakes, after washing I am fine, and then the flakes are there again in the afternoon. My neck is also flaking, as I am using it there, as well. |
I think ZO and Obagi are really your products of choice...have you offically given up the search??
I have...I plan on staying the course with what I have right now through March. I think the ZO, the Nu Derm, and the VV are more than enough for me to juggle. (and my 302 for dermarolling, of course) |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:48 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
I think ZO and Obagi are really your products of choice...have you offically given up the search??
I have...I plan on staying the course with what I have right now through March. I think the ZO, the Nu Derm, and the VV are more than enough for me to juggle. (and my 302 for dermarolling, of course) |
Yes, I have finally given up my search! I will be sticking with Nu Derm and ZO. I think these 2 lines are just meant for me. I know I haven't gotten results with other lines, and I do get major results with Obagi! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:04 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| taobunny, you sound to be doing great on the Nu Derm. I think you will have great results! ... Just like you, I wake up in the morning with the flakes, after washing I am fine, and then the flakes are there again in the afternoon. My neck is also flaking, as I am using it there, as well. Just an FYI taobunny, if you have a planned event, you can stop the products for a few days prior to your event so your flaking will stop, and then start right up again afterwards. |
Thanks so much, Rileygirl I'm hopeful about the Obagi - it's having such an effect on the skin - that it seems like all the other expensive stuff I've tried in the past was just placebo-like! Thanks also for the "planned event" tip. I may definitely use that in the future - esp. with the holidays coming up... (Hmmm, maybe I'll be the one *behind* the video camera this year!)
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From the percentage standpoint, the 99% fine line/wrinkle score means that 99% of 42 y/o fair skinned caucasian women have MORE wrinkles than me. So I am in the top 1% of my group. But my pigmentation scores needed some improvement, darn it...but it looks like I am on my way!
It sounds like you are doing GREAT on Nu Derm...at least you didn't have to quit like me, lol. I agree with Riley...it sounds like you will have great results. I am VERY jealous! |
Wow, Bethany - that *is* impressive! It must feel really good to get confirmation that what you're doing is really working for you. (I'd be tempted to do the VISIA - but then might get all depressed if I'm not in the percentile I want to be in!) LOL
As for the Nu Derm - it's been quite an adventure so far. It's nice to hear from you both that the progress (thus far) looks good. I certainly didn't expect to get quite so substantial a reaction off of "just topicals" - but it must mean that something is going on in the skin! I would be so thrilled if my hyperpigmentation issues cleared up. You have no idea how many lotions/potions/quack remedies I've tried over the years to fix it. (And, dang, if it works like I'm hoping it will - I'm going to be so mad that I spent $$$ on Fraxel - when Obagi was there all along... I could have gone on a really nice vacation!) |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:07 pm |
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| And, dang, if it works like I'm hoping it will - I'm going to be so mad that I spent $$$ on Fraxel - when Obagi was there all along... I could have gone on a really nice vacation! |
I am right there with you...I could have had a darn nice piece of jewelry, or a chinoiserie secretary, or a bunch of darn things with that $3,500 I WASTED on Fraxel.  |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:10 pm |
| taobunny, I think you will be amazed at your skin in 18 weeks. Obagi works, if used the correct way! I am looking forward to hearing your journey on Nu Derm! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:12 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| bethany wrote: |
I think ZO and Obagi are really your products of choice...have you offically given up the search??
I have...I plan on staying the course with what I have right now through March. I think the ZO, the Nu Derm, and the VV are more than enough for me to juggle. (and my 302 for dermarolling, of course) |
Yes, I have finally given up my search! I will be sticking with Nu Derm and ZO. I think these 2 lines are just meant for me. I know I haven't gotten results with other lines, and I do get major results with Obagi! |
When I think of how much I have wasted on trying various products over the last 12 months, I am VERY glad that I am not married and having to explain all of these expenditures! |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:15 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
| I am right there with you...I could have had a darn nice piece of jewelry, or a chinoiserie secretary, or a bunch of darn things with that $3,500 I WASTED on Fraxel. |
Ah, well, if it makes you feel better - I know of at least one person who WASTED more money than that on Fraxel... 
Rileygirl - Here's hoping! I've been carefully following all the advice I've learned here - as well as on the links that you (at least I *think* it was you) provided on another thread. I'll keep posting back on my results. (I thought briefly of taking pictures and posting them as I go along - but pictures taken in the mirror just don't come out right and don't show the issues well. Plus, I'm kinda shy - so that might not work either...) Maybe I can just stick my face in the flatbed scanner and scan the parts of my face that have the melasma and wrinkles!
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:17 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
When I think of how much I have wasted on trying various products over the last 12 months, I am VERY glad that I am not married and having to explain all of these expenditures! |
LOL - I explain it like this to my hubby:
"Dear, it would be a LOT more expensive for me to be buying crack. Which would you prefer??" |
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:36 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
| When I think of how much I have wasted on trying various products over the last 12 months, I am VERY glad that I am not married and having to explain all of these expenditures! |
I know, it is really sickening to think about!
And, I don't explain it. What he doesn't know won't hurt me!
Taobunny, I really suggest you do take pics. You don't have to share them here on the forum, but take them for yourself. You will get to a point when you think nothing is happening (meaning no further improvement in your skin), but with the pics you can compare and see how far you have come. It really does help! |
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:07 pm |
I tried the Vivite' Vibrance today...it's pretty nice!
It is packaged in the same type container as the ZO Oclipse sunscreen, which is great for any kind of travel because the spout swivels up and down when you turn the lid.
The product itself is yellow, thin, and stung just a tiny bit in certain areas when I put it on. But it was very lightweight, and would not be noticeable under makeup at all. I can see where this would also layer nicely under the Nu Derm products as we have seen mentioned on a couple of blogs.
I put it under my ZO Daily Power Defense, but I guess I had better check with the ZO experts to make sure they are compatible.  |
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:30 pm |
| Bethany, I am looking forward to see what this product does for you. How often will you be using it, once or twice a day? |
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:31 pm |
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| Bethany, I am looking forward to see what this product does for you. How often will you be using it, once or twice a day? |
Just once a day. And I will not use it on the days that I use the Obagi products. |
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:40 pm |
| So, are you alternating the VV and the Obagi then? Tell us your plans to knock out the pigmentation! |
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:13 pm |
Bethany,
So are you using it all over your face or just on the spots?? Hope it works wonders cause I really need a wonder potion!!
Lot's of luck.
Sylvia |
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:51 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| So, are you alternating the VV and the Obagi then? Tell us your plans to knock out the pigmentation! |
| ezduzit wrote: |
Bethany,
So are you using it all over your face or just on the spots?? Hope it works wonders cause I really need a wonder potion!!
Lot's of luck.
Sylvia |
At this point I am planning on:
- Using the ZO products 5 days a week, and using the Vivite in the morning all over my face and chest since my pigmention is so diffuse instead of concentrated in one area. (I am only doing the Vivite every other day until next Monday just to assess the irritation level)
- The other 2 days I will do the Obagi Clear in the morning, and the Blender/RA in the evening. (I am not starting this until next week though)
- Once I feel I can, I am going to add the Vi Derm Bleaching Cream Rx over my ZO products at night (can you tell I am trying to use things up?)
- Eventually I will work on increasing the frequency of the Obagi, and possibly add the Vivite under the Clear since they are compatible.
But I just need to take it slowly and not change anything until I am sure that the current level isn't causing excessive irritation...my goal is to get to a manageable level of stimulation, without grossly overdoing it.
How does that sound? |
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