Ageless if you Dare - Loulou's Facial Exercises
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free skin care · Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:41 am

Toby is right re massage, but also massage is great for improving the circulation to the areas around the muscles (connective tissue and skin itself). It definitely improves the quality, tone and strength of those parts and I always remember Deb attributing half her success to the fact that she massages (and really she was one of the first people I knew of who really promoted it as a technique to people).

Charis… when people begin massage, they seem to begin noticing its benefits in a very short space of time and like Toby has said…. After you have been doing it for a while it becomes second nature so much so that you can find yourself doing it without noticing. I personally like to do my massage when I am applying my cleanser and/or moisturiser (particularly round the eyelids). Its one of those things you do it a couple of times and then you see the improvements and it motivates you to keep on.

free skin care · Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:08 pm

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Loulou we really need a video on you doing a good massage Pretty please!!!!!!

Can I just say that we seem to request quite a lot from LouLou for the big price we paid of $10? Confused

JMHO.

I am betting that she is quickly seeing exactly why Flex Effect (professional videos and dedicated forum support) is $70. Laughing

free skin care · Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:05 am

Toby wrote:

Kassy, I think this video is exactly what we needed to determine intensity of massage. Everyone probably uses their own techniques but knowing the intensity is important. I am more intense and aggressive in my massage. I am curious how everyone else is with their massage. Please take a moment and view the clip Kassy found and let us know if this intensity is about right,less,or more than you use with your massage. Great research Kassy, maybe those of us that need visuals will get figure it out now.
Toby

I watched the video this morning and here are my thoughts. First off I am way more aggressive to my own face than the massage as shown. I do more pinching and in more places (like under the eyes). My skin has definitely thickened up (I've been doing this for seven months). I think the video is a great starting spot. I think Sara Chapman (the woman doing the massage in the video) is likely coming from a facialist's viewpoint and being more gentle than what I have seen prescribed at FE and maybe by LouLou.
That's just my 2Cents... as Toby requested Very Happy

free skin care · Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:24 pm

Here is the best butt exercise in the world. Sorry I look so scruffy, but I made it a long time ago before I knew any of you would be dropping in! Very Happy

I'll only keep it up for a couple of days, but if anyone misses this fabulous chance to see me sweating away in my gardening clothes, I can put it up again some time.

http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/otherloulou/best%20bottom%20ex/?action=view&current=08468955.pbr

free skin care · Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:22 am

Kassy! How funny is that? This is the one of the videos on massage my daughter and I watched before I conned her in to giving me one!! ha ha...I thought it was a great one as well. Boy, I have been absent from this thread for a few days and it has really been busy!!

Hope all is well LouLou after your surgery. And also glad to know I have been doing the butt exercise correctly although I was a bit more "kicky" with my leg...will have to slow it down a bit...

free skin care · Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:01 pm

cosmetolog35 wrote:

just figure out how to use it. Smile

Hi everyone!
Just downloaded "Ageless if you dare"...Can anyone tell me if I need to buy Flexx Effect if I have "Ageless if you dare"?

Congratulations on buying Ageless - the best $10.00 you will ever spend.

Ageless is great in that you will get quick results. My advice - do it at least 5-6 days a week. (It takes minutes a day but doing it faithfully your results will show up within a month or so)

Facial massage is not an exact thing. I massage my face probably 4-5X a week. Usually in the morning before I get out of bed - this helps to wake up! Wink

I do pressure massage all over: fingers together pressing and rubbing in small circular motion. I also do a lot of pinching and pulling. I pinch and twist (ever so slightly first one way and then the other) all around my eyes - upper across eyebrows and lids and also lower. I pinch and pull cheeks, chin, ears, neck and tops of hands.

free skin care · Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:09 pm

I just hope that we don't have to launch into yet more Ageless vs. FlexEffect discussions on this particular thread.

Sometimes I think I am actually on the FlexEffect thread, even though the title says Ageless.

free skin care · Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:29 pm

Okay I will tread where no man or woman Laughing

dares to go Laughing

April 2007 I started a facial exercising program at age 51 after losing 9 pounds to my ideal small frame weight. I had some sag and the weight loss really added more. The program was fair but not strong enough and I had no support on a daily basis.

June 2007 I started Flexeffect facial exercise and massage. I had instant results and at six months looked like a different person. At 12 months of flexing I sent my pictures to Rita at Prolight. She had my before and after pictures on her computer screen when one of her engineers came in and said, "Wow that woman had a great face lift." Rita told him it was not a face lift it was the result of facial exercises. Rita said he argued and didn't believed her. Rita had told me before she even saw my pictures that I facial exercises were the key to dealing with sag. She said I will sell you a light and it can improve your skin but facial exercises will tone and deal with the sag. I owe flexeffect credit for picking my face up off the floor Laughing

I needed a program that provided daily support and I think my entire face needed and got lifted from every muscle. I worked out 6 days a week for 28 minutes. I posted regularly on the forum and got instant feedback from trainers. I relied on Sean and Lou(current author of Ageless then a trainer for FlexEffect) that and did intensive training with both. Sean spent several weeks tweaking some issues and also Lou spent several weeks with me as well. I achieved all I had set out for and more but I still needed additional smoothing out with the lower face. I had some pooching or pouching Rolling Eyes

in the lower face area. I need to add here that I am not sure that I was totally doing the advanced lower face exercises correctly and that may have been part of the issue.

Sept.11,2009 My father had an accident, had to have surgery, and rehab for two months. At the same time my mother developed a heart condition that was serious. I am an only child and was helping with their care while working a very demanding full time job. I lost ground with my routine with Flexeffect. I went several months exercising very little but fortunately my face still looked pretty good. In Nov. I bought Lou's program. I could handle five exercises a day and massage. So in Nov. I started Lou's program. When I saw that I could daily do the exercises I choose not to add flexeffect back in because I wanted to see what Lou's program would do alone. I decided to give it three-six months. I was not afraid to drop Flexeffect because I knew muscle has memory and I could pick it up at any time. My results now are my cheeks are very lifted, my lower face is less built and of course Stop and Tua Viso have entered the picture and done their share of cleaning up the slack as well. I am not ready to say one program over another. Right now Lou's program offers a quick daily routine I can manage. Will I go back and add some of flexeffect? If I was a betting woman I would say probably so. But right now I want to run the three-six month experiment and see what develops. I have developed enough feel for my face to appreciate exercises from both programs but this three-to six month test is just for one program. Some have viewed my pictures and have liked the lower face results from Lou's program and others have liked it from Flexeffect. Flexeffect is fuller, and Ageless is more narrow. At this point it probably is a personal preference because both are nice Rolling Eyes

not meaning to brag just comparing to how I looked before facial exercises. At the end of six months I will share my results and maybe some pictures if you are interested.
It has been said before by several people on this forum that Flexeffect is a more comprehensive involving all the facial muscles that lift and build. Ageless is a program specifically focused on muscles that lift. I think the choice of programs has to do with what condition your face is in and exactly what you are wanting to achieve. Also in choosing a program you need to consider how much assistance and support you need to maintain momentum with an exercising program. When I started in 2007 I needed daily support and when I had a question and needed it quickly. Also I needed someone trained with lots of experience.I also needed a forum for support. I came to EDS in 2007 and asked questions about facial exercises and got very little response, later went to the Flexeffect forum. A lot has changed in the mindset of facial exercises on the internet within the last two years thanks to Flexeffect, Dare to be Ageless, and other programs. The fact that we are asking which facial exercising program should we use in stead of does facial exercise work speaks volumes to the success that has been experienced by facial exercise programs. We have come a long way BABY Laughing

Now will I buy Debs new book when it comes out? You better believe it. Her book years after publication is still valid. If Lou produces more dvds or books will I buy? Absolutely. Lou has a positive approach to aging and lifting the face that is freeing. Facial exercises and information information about them are investments in my future and I will not leave a stone unturned.
Toby(Ann on Flexeffect Forum)

free skin care · Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:06 am

Bethany

Your improvement is impressive. You had posted these pictures before and i contemplated which excercises helped most because the change was so profound - do you think it's the excercise where we pull our cheeks into our teeth (crushing fruit)? or just a cumulative effect - everything lifting up and out?

I must weigh in here on Ageless. I went out w/ some friends tonight i haven't seen in a couple months - not since the time that i've derma rolled and begun Ageless - no one commented JACK!! and i have to admit i was disappointed, 'cause i thought i looked great Rolling Eyes

-well,as the night went on and we got into a conversation about beauty, 2 of my friends turned to me simultaneously and said what the BLEEP are you doing - one friend said she had been taking in how beautiful i looked all night and asked if it was a man or a cream -- i had to confess there was no cream, (but yes, there was a man Very Happy

) I'll give her all the details (about ageless) tomorrow in private! (she already has FE, but hasn't used it(she looks good))
My personal assessment - Ageless has popped and "youthified" (new word) my face in a way that Flexing never has - I have not done any jawline excersices since i got ageless (a week and a 1/2) and i can already see my jawline softening in to a softer feminine angle....THAT BEING SAID - i don't think my face would have popped so beautifully if it weren't for FE's foundation - also - i can see where Ageless doesn't hit places that really need help (for me) - like the area on the bridge of my nose or my forhead lines (FE ROCKS for this) I will cherish both programs - loulou's 'cause it's got this magical youth component and FE because it taught me about the subtle sags and wrinkles that contribute to ageing, which i never really knew, and how to soften them-- like the chin fold or the bridge of the nose.
thanks for listening
m

free skin care · Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:52 am

Just a gentle reminder that there are plenty of other threads on the Skincare and Makeup forum where we can talk about BOTH Ageless and FlexEffect....including the thread that specifically was created to compare the 2 programs.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=32485&highlight=ageless

But let's try to keep this thread focused exclusively on Ageless.

free skin care · Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:42 pm

simpleMD wrote:

LULU ,
I got your book but can not find the videos anywhere I am more of a video person I thought I will see the videos once I pay for book but can not seem to find any videos... where is the link for video if any? I do not have time to go through the whole book but want to start the program need some help here...

Hi Simple MD,

The link is on the last page of the book Cool

free skin care · Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:05 pm

jasminerosey wrote:

Anyway...the video does come with the price of the book..but now..in addition (which I don't understand why she's giving us this much)you can see the video for free on her website.

I feel funny to post this actually, but it is there on her site to be seen for free...so she must want us to know about it. (she has a tab on her home page saying 'free video')

We should probably let LL decide when to drive non-paying people to links that she posted, lol.

I personally think that getting 4 free exercises AND wanting to view the videos for free too is pretty over the edge. Hopefully she won't be expected to answer a bunch of questions for free too.

free skin care · Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:52 pm

Lou Lou said at one point that the video was available on her site. and Yes, it is accessible by anyone. she is going by the honor system more or less.

I agree Jasminerosey and Bethany - You need to have the download (or book) to get the most out of it - to understand the holds, the concept and to truly appreciate where Lou Lou is coming from. She does write from the heart!

(Marina - are you listening????)

free skin care · Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:55 pm

quote: Bethany

We should probably let LL decide when to drive non-paying people to links that she posted, lol.

I personally think that getting 4 free exercises AND wanting to view the videos for free too is pretty over the edge. Hopefully she won't be expected to answer a bunch of questions for free too.[/quote]

I agree. Pay the $10.00. It's practically free at that price anyway.

free skin care · Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:53 am

Yes, Sister Sweets...and Bethany

After reading the page regarding the free video download on Loulou's site...I see how Loulou is relying on our honor as far as only downloading the video if we have purchased her book.
(the whole idea makes so much more sense to me, now..and it is an adorable/soulful way of doing it..to rely on our sense of fairness!)

free skin care · Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:29 pm

ruk 1 - Sorry but have to agree with Bethany. \
Bethany has been very supportive on EDS - going above and beyond for everyone.

And $10.00 is a steal. It's clear we all believe in this program. It's your choice whether to go for it or not.

ruk1 wrote:

bethany wrote:

I personally think that getting 4 free exercises AND wanting to view the videos for free too is pretty over the edge. Hopefully she won't be expected to answer a bunch of questions for free too.

I'm not sure if this was referred to my question or not, but I want to be clear that I had no expectation of getting 4 free exercises and wanting to view the videos for free. Remember my question if her video was available for sale, or if it is only available if the ebook was purchased. In no way had I ever wanted to cheat LouLou out of her money. I find the insinuation rather disturbing, so I hope I just misread your intent.

I also was not expecting LouLou to answer my questions on this board, although I've seen that she freely answered them for other people who have or have not bought her book. I posted a question about Ex.2 because I wanted to get an opinion from someone who had done the exercise to see if I interpreted it correctly.

It is true that $10 is not too much although as the woman from Pakistan explained it was a lot for her. It's all relative. I'd be glad to pay for it if I found that I like these 4 sample exercises.

I feel that you are much more defensive about this program than even LouLou herself based on some of your previous posts and this one. Maybe you should calm down and take a deep breath?

free skin care · Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:32 pm

sister sweets wrote:

ruk 1 - Sorry but have to agree with Bethany. \
Bethany has been very supportive on EDS - going above and beyond for everyone.

And $10.00 is a steal. It's clear we all believe in this program. It's your choice whether to go for it or not.

ruk1 wrote:

bethany wrote:

I personally think that getting 4 free exercises AND wanting to view the videos for free too is pretty over the edge. Hopefully she won't be expected to answer a bunch of questions for free too.

I'm not sure if this was referred to my question or not, but I want to be clear that I had no expectation of getting 4 free exercises and wanting to view the videos for free. Remember my question if her video was available for sale, or if it is only available if the ebook was purchased. In no way had I ever wanted to cheat LouLou out of her money. I find the insinuation rather disturbing, so I hope I just misread your intent.

I also was not expecting LouLou to answer my questions on this board, although I've seen that she freely answered them for other people who have or have not bought her book. I posted a question about Ex.2 because I wanted to get an opinion from someone who had done the exercise to see if I interpreted it correctly.

It is true that $10 is not too much although as the woman from Pakistan explained it was a lot for her. It's all relative. I'd be glad to pay for it if I found that I like these 4 sample exercises.

I feel that you are much more defensive about this program than even LouLou herself based on some of your previous posts and this one. Maybe you should calm down and take a deep breath?

I totally agree with Sis + Beth, and can't keep quiet one more minute..

I never saw such a fuss made over a $10. wonderful program in my life.. Perhaps that's the problem.. LL should have charged what it's *really* worth... In the mean-time she has bent over backwards to accommodate all of us with free videos, free sample exercises and still some aren't happy.

Some of us have been reading this thread from day one, and it's very frustrating when some members have tried to sneak and cajole their way into getting free links to downloads, videos and what have you.. Going so far as to PM members (myself included) asking for the link to the download... Disgusting!

For crying out loud, cough up the lousy $10 bucks, and I assure you, it will be the best $10 bucks you have ever spent at EDS.

***My post is a generalization of what has gone on in this thread from day one, and not meant as finger pointing.***

free skin care · Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:24 pm

baldabek2000 wrote:

sorry guys you make no sense whatsoever. This is a facial exercise board, not the Oprah or Dr. Phil.

This is a non sequitur.. ( ?? )

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No wonder LL created new website for the questions regarding Ageless only.

Loulou has a website dedicated to answering Ageless questions? Have any of you checked it out? I'll have to stop by her site and see if she has a link available.

Quote:

It's hard to find any info here sifting through the pages of complete nonsense.

Wow, that hasn't been my experience at all.. there's a lot of great info here, in my opinion. I can't wait to check out Loulou's site, though Very Happy

Quote:

There is a website, clearly says free video and anyone can watch it, like it buy the book, don't like no problems, look somewhere else. It wasn't mentioned anywhere you had to buy the book before using the info from her website.

I'm way behind in this thread, but previously, the video was an additional freebie for people who bought the program, and she posted it on her site to make it easier for them to access. Perhaps this is the source of the confusion?

Quote:

Just answer the questions (snip)

Well, that seems a tad presumptuous.

This is really a great program, and it's well worth the low cost. I hope Loulou gets all the recognition she deserves and ample payback for all of her hard work.

free skin care · Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:15 pm

ruk1 wrote:

So without further ado, I'm going back to pg 17 where I left off this morning. Don't worry. I do not plan on stealing anyone's material or hard work. I do respect LouLou's hard work, you know?

By all means, do continue reading the thread. You will most likely find the answers to whatever questions you have, since many of us seem to have the same issues and questions starting out.

I've read all the posts you were referring to (from the posters you mentioned) and I didn't see that any of them were directed to you. I saw the question you asked and it seemed perfectly reasonable - their statements were in response to later posts and were addressed to everyone, in general.

Also, I'd have to agree with Bethany, that if you already have a program you like, it may be superfluous to add another, especially if finances and the currency exchange rate are an issue. But, if you decide to go with Ageless, I'm sure you won't be disappointed!

free skin care · Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:37 am

baldabek2000 wrote:

hahaha bethany don't try to dodge the questions, they were tied to both programs. I wanted to hear a professional opinion from Loulou on nose and lip stuff I am doing in addition to the ageless lip exs. Am I working the same muscles and do additional exs beneficial or just a waste of the time. I have no questions about the neck exs, they are good, I like them.

If you want a personal answer from LL, go to her forum...you already posted the link, so you obviously know where it is. We have pretty much driven her away from here due to all the posts on competing programs, etc. on this thread. Anytime she posts here we are glad to see her, but we no longer expect her to do so.

And for the record, I don't dodge any questions..though I often choose to ignore those from people that I think add limited value.

You mentioned that you didn't want to be ignored...scolding people constantly is probably not the best approach if you are looking for people to help you.

Ok...I'm done with this topic. I have more productive things to do! Very Happy

free skin care · Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:41 am

majorb wrote:

Can I just ask a couple of questions, please?

From what I've read on this thread so far, the consensus seems to be that both Flex Effect and Ageless work well (in slightly different ways), and are extremely effective when used in tandem. That's why I'm probably going to purchase both soon.

Is is best to start with FE first, then move onto Ageless after a certain period? (Or is it the other way around? ) And how long does it, on average, take people to get to the "just requiring maintenance" success point for each programme, please?

You've got me all fired up and excited about these facial exercises. I'm jumping at the bit! Laughing

I have both programs, started with Ageless, and don't see any need to add Flex Effect at this point.

But I am sure that there are some approaches to your question on the Comparing Ageless and Flex Effect thread...many people who have both programs have posted there.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=32485&highlight=ageless

free skin care · Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:17 pm

majorb wrote:

bethany wrote:

I have both programs, started with Ageless, and don't see any need to add Flex Effect at this point.

But I am sure that there are some approaches to your question on the Comparing Ageless and Flex Effect thread...many people who have both programs have posted there.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=32485&highlight=ageless

Thanks for your input, bethany. Very Happy

Actually, I do like the sound of the Ageless effects most and have a feeling that they may be more beneficial to me. Plus, it seems to be quicker to use and give faster results. So I've decided to buy that programme first. Then, if I need any tweaking, I'll add in the FE.

It's good to know that some people are fully satisfied with using one of the programmes alone. Fingers crossed that this will be my experience, too. And if not, I can always add FE into the mix.

I think starting with the faster, easier program (with faster results to boot!) is the way to go....if you decide you want to commit more time to facial exercise (should there be a need) down the road, then you can always buy another program then! Very Happy

free skin care · Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:21 pm

Hi - I am not familiar with relax a line but does it make your face feel slack? If it doesn't involve true muscle relaxing per se you should be okay doing facial exercises. It would be my perception that products you put on face can't change the action of a muscle - not like botox.

Or else do you facial exercises in the PM after a day full of relax-a-line.

Given the choice of any product and Ageless I'd choose Ageless every time. These are results that go beyond a daily product use.

free skin care · Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:55 pm

sister sweets wrote:

Given the choice of any product and Ageless I'd choose Ageless every time. These are results that go beyond a daily product use.

Quote:

Relax A Line
This topical Botox® alternative is a simple yet effective serum. It is formulated with a 10% concentration of Acetyl Hexapeptide 3, an amino-peptide specifically developed to relax facial muscles responsible for crow's feet, frown lines and other dynamic wrinkles. At this concentration, studies have shown that Acetyl Hexapeptide 3 was able to significantly decrease the depth of wrinkles after 30 days of treatment. (International Journal of Cosmetic Science, Vol. 24, No 5, p.303, October 2002) Doctors recommend using Acetyl Hexapeptide 3 to prolong and boost Botox® results between injections.

Acetyl Hexapeptide 3 is also known as Argeline, and I asked the same question since it is in one of my products. Antonia told me that any impact is restricted only to the very top muscle layers, and should not impact my Ageless results at all.

I would go for the Ageless!!

free skin care · Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:19 pm

Also, much of this is irrelevant because LouLou's face looks like it does because she is LouLou and has her own unique musculature. I could exercise myself dizzy and not have the extremely high cheek definition that she has because my musculature is my own. And remember that the bones themselves have a part to play in face shape and achievable face shape through exercising. Frankly, I don't think it matters at all whether she did F/E, Yoga Face or stood on her head. She has obviously made herself look exceptionally good through facial exercise and has determined what exercises were right for her.

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