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Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:39 pm  |
| As titled. It's an ingredient in the Avene sunscreen. I was thinking I can wear this with the Vit C serum in the morning with max. protection? |
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:50 am |
no replies??  |
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:09 pm |
All I found was that it is a precursor to Vitamin E, like beta carotene is a precursor to vitamin A. Does that help?  |
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:49 pm |
There are actually 8 forms of vitamin E, (tocophoryls)..
The "pre" in front of the one you noted, might indicate it's *almost* a vitamin E, but not quite... So perhaps it's a synthetic form.
This might help!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocopherol
Also, to get the benefit of E with your C serum, you can just mix in a tiny drop of vit E in the palm of your hand with the C. (Liquid E or even the capsules are great for this!) |
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♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:59 pm |
| SURE,YOU CAN DO IT |
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:13 pm |
| echoico wrote: |
| SURE,YOU CAN DO IT |
 Sure you can do what? |
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:42 pm |
| Yes, It is. |
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Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:39 am |
Say what . .  
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♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:55 am |
The description says Pre Tocopheryl but when I looked at the ingredient list, it says Tocopheryl Glucoside...
here's the link for those that's interested
http://www.skincarecentral.biz/suncreen-avene-50.html
So if it's almost a Vit E but not quite like what Kassy_A says, does it provide the same benefits as an actual Vit E? I guess not?
Also, a bit off topic...hehe  If I mixed a drop of serum with the Avene ss, would that degrade the ss? |
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Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:34 pm |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
Also, a bit off topic...hehe If I mixed a drop of serum with the Avene ss, would that degrade the ss? |
Stardusty, if you mix smth with your vit.C serum, that will degrade the vit.C!
why would you want to mix it??? 
vit.C serum is supposed to be applied on cleansed and perfectly dry skin, then let it sink in for 20-30 min, and only then apply your sunscreen! |
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Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:38 pm |
| Aiva wrote: |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
Also, a bit off topic...hehe If I mixed a drop of serum with the Avene ss, would that degrade the ss? |
Stardusty, if you mix smth with your vit.C serum, that will degrade the vit.C!
why would you want to mix it???
vit.C serum is supposed to be applied on cleansed and perfectly dry skin, then let it sink in for 20-30 min, and only then apply your sunscreen! |
Aiva, thanks for the warning!  I meant to mix another antioxidant serum (not Vit C) with ss and then apply after the C Serum... |
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Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:42 pm |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
| Aiva wrote: |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
Also, a bit off topic...hehe If I mixed a drop of serum with the Avene ss, would that degrade the ss? |
Stardusty, if you mix smth with your vit.C serum, that will degrade the vit.C!
why would you want to mix it???
vit.C serum is supposed to be applied on cleansed and perfectly dry skin, then let it sink in for 20-30 min, and only then apply your sunscreen! |
Aiva, thanks for the warning! I meant to mix another antioxidant serum (not Vit C) with ss and then apply after the C Serum... |
I see, I thought you were talking about vit.C serum. But still - I would not be mixing antioxidant serum with ss. I would use them in layers, ss being the last. |
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Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:15 pm |
| Aiva wrote: |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
| Aiva wrote: |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
Also, a bit off topic...hehe If I mixed a drop of serum with the Avene ss, would that degrade the ss? |
Stardusty, if you mix smth with your vit.C serum, that will degrade the vit.C!
why would you want to mix it???
vit.C serum is supposed to be applied on cleansed and perfectly dry skin, then let it sink in for 20-30 min, and only then apply your sunscreen! |
Aiva, thanks for the warning! I meant to mix another antioxidant serum (not Vit C) with ss and then apply after the C Serum... |
I see, I thought you were talking about vit.C serum. But still - I would not be mixing antioxidant serum with ss. I would use them in layers, ss being the last. |
Yeah, I understand in layers is better. But if I need to wait 20-30mins/ layer, I will have to wake up super early in the morning. I know the C serum is not hydrating enough on its own. Perhaps, I can skip the antioxidant serum and then put on ss. But ss is not hydrating enough either... |
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Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:22 pm |
I just had to join you vitamin ladies on this thread. Just like Aiva I would also advise layering products over mixing products.
Vitamin E is supposed to occur in a concentration of only 1 per cent in a vitamin C serum. That amount is so tiny that you will hardly be able to see it with the naked eye if you are going to mix it with vitamin C serum in the palm of your hand. It might be easier to apply a moisturizer with vitamin E on top of a vitamin C serum.
Also, when you mix a new ingredient into a product, you will consequently dilute the concentration of active ingredients in the original product. |
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Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:10 pm |
septembergirl, so do u think 10mins for each layer is sufficient? Cuz I'm slow enough already in the morning  So I cleansed my face first and then apply Vit C serum (wait 10mins), then serum or ss (wait another 10mins), and then apply makeup. Would this be the right way to do it? |
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:19 am |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
| septembergirl, so do u think 10mins for each layer is sufficient? Cuz I'm slow enough already in the morning So I cleansed my face first and then apply Vit C serum (wait 10mins), then serum or ss (wait another 10mins), and then apply makeup. Would this be the right way to do it? |
Stardusty, if your Avene sunscreen is chemical, I`m sorry but you have to add 30 mins more waiting time after applying the ss (for letting it sink in), otherwise you go out unprotected. This is the reason I prefer physical sunscreens for everyday life - they do not have waiting times - you just apply it and you are free to go. |
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:02 pm |
| Aiva wrote: |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
| septembergirl, so do u think 10mins for each layer is sufficient? Cuz I'm slow enough already in the morning So I cleansed my face first and then apply Vit C serum (wait 10mins), then serum or ss (wait another 10mins), and then apply makeup. Would this be the right way to do it? |
Stardusty, if your Avene sunscreen is chemical, I`m sorry but you have to add 30 mins more waiting time after applying the ss (for letting it sink in), otherwise you go out unprotected. This is the reason I prefer physical sunscreens for everyday life - they do not have waiting times - you just apply it and you are free to go. |
OH NO!!!  well but the Avene has a high PPD of 20, that's why I wanna use it. So r u saying I need to wait 30mins for the ss to be absorbed before makeup can be applied?
And 10mins for the Vit C serum and antioxidant serum is good enough?  |
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:07 pm |
| That is only IF it is chemical. Avene has many physical sunscreens. Can you check your package and tell us what the active sunscreen agents are? Then I can tell you. |
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:27 pm |
| amonavis wrote: |
| That is only IF it is chemical. Avene has many physical sunscreens. Can you check your package and tell us what the active sunscreen agents are? Then I can tell you. |
It's this ss in the below link.
http://www.skincarecentral.biz/suncreen-avene-50.html |
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:29 pm |
| Stardusty, I think you only need to wait 30 minutes after applying sunscreen to go outdoors in the sun. As far as I am aware, you can apply makeup directly after applying sunscreen. |
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:29 pm |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
| So r u saying I need to wait 30mins for the ss to be absorbed before makeup can be applied? |
exactly
| Stardustdy wrote: |
| And 10mins for the Vit C serum and antioxidant serum is good enough? |
for antioxidant serum I think 10 min is oK, for vit.C - not, I would wait at least 15-20 min after applying vit.C
what Avene ss do you have? is it chemical or physical? |
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:33 pm |
http://www.skincarecentral.biz/suncreen-avene-50.html
see the above link ... That's the ss I'm going to use.
aaahhh... So 30mins wait time or no? before applying makeup? ... I just wanna know how long I need to wait before applying makeup as I don't go outside right away after putting on ss. sigh...I'm getting mixed answers here.
Just say, I applied makeup after waiting around 5-10mins, does that mean I'll rub off the ss in the process? |
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:41 pm |
yes, flitcraft is right, you should wait 30 min before going outdoors, I was not specific here.
as to the makeup application -  ... I think waiting 10 min is enough, not sure though. |
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:03 pm |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
http://www.skincarecentral.biz/suncreen-avene-50.html
see the above link ... That's the ss I'm going to use. |
it seems to be a good choice. The active ingredient is Tinosorb, it is photostable and shows no estrogenic effects. The ss contains also zinc and titanium, but they are very low on the ingredients list, so this ss cannot be qualified as physical, thus it is a chemical one.
Therefore you should wait 30 min (at least 20 min) after application and before sun exposure. |
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:00 pm |
| So Aiva, it's ok if I apply makeup immediately after ss? |
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