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Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:04 pm  |
| Periwinkle, not sure if you noticed or not, but John hasn't posted on this since 2008. He might not be here or see your ? |
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:06 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
| Periwinkle, not sure if you noticed or not, but John hasn't posted on this since 2008. He might not be here or see your ? |
Yeah, I saw. Thanks though. I went to his site and sent him a message. |
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:11 pm |
| periwinkle7 wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| Periwinkle, not sure if you noticed or not, but John hasn't posted on this since 2008. He might not be here or see your ? |
Yeah, I saw. Thanks though. I went to his site and sent him a message. |
just wasn't sure, I am curios too. can you let us know what he says? TIA |
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:13 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
| periwinkle7 wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| Periwinkle, not sure if you noticed or not, but John hasn't posted on this since 2008. He might not be here or see your ? |
Yeah, I saw. Thanks though. I went to his site and sent him a message. |
just wasn't sure, I am curios too. can you let us know what he says? TIA |
I will! |
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Pretty_Simple
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:16 pm |
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| Pretty_Simple wrote: |
Hyaluronic acid itself has very great benefits to the body since it acts as a lubricant for your joints and other tissues. The problem with purchasing a product/cream containing hyaluronic acid is that the molecular structure is much too large to penetrate through the skin. So when you apply a product containing hyaluronic acid, it is basically lying on top of the skin and in some cases can draw moisture from within which does the reverse of its intended use.
This is why fillers, which are composed of hyaluronic acid, have to be injected into the skin since that is the only way it is beneficial. |
Pretty_Simple, does this mean that it would work well with a Derma Roller? |
Hi Periwinkle7, Unfortunately, no. The Derma Roller is a great tool for allowing products that are able to absorb into the skin to penetrate even deeper.
Since almost all hyaluronic acid that is used in products is animal based and are too large in molecular structure, you should look into lines that carry "vegan" versions of hyaluronic acid. These version have a much smaller molecular structure (Research Marshmallow Root) that would allow for it to be absorbed into the skin -(and the Derma Roller would work well with!). The problem is, very, very few brands have hyaluronic acid that is derived from plant sources. |
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:35 pm |
| Pretty_Simple wrote: |
Since almost all hyaluronic acid that is used in products is animal based and are too large in molecular structure, you should look into lines that carry "vegan" versions of hyaluronic acid. These version have a much smaller molecular structure (Research Marshmallow Root) that would allow for it to be absorbed into the skin -(and the Derma Roller would work well with!). The problem is, very, very few brands have hyaluronic acid that is derived from plant sources. |
This is a vegan brand, so I am told. It doesn't mention it on the site though. Have you heard of this brand, Pretty_simple?http://www.hyalogic.com/personal_care_products/episilk_pha_serum |
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:43 pm |
| Devita is a vegan brand that carries a lot of products with HA. |
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Pretty_Simple
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:24 pm |
Hmm. I've never heard of that brand before, however, I checked the website, and it appears as though the source is animal-based.
Here is one brand and product that contains the "vegan hyaluronic acid" with the Marshmallow Root I spoke about in the previous post. It is from Eminence Organics called the Strawberry Rhubarb Hyaluronic Serum. (Sorry, I can't link the site since I'm a new member apparently!) I've worked with this line and their products are incredible! |
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:19 pm |
How low does the molecular weight need to be? I looked up marshmallow root extract, and I couldn't find anything to do with Hyaluronic acid, except for with that serum. Pretty_Simple, I don't want to put strawberry juice on my face. What will the flies think?  It's a nice thought though. |
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Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:28 am |
Heard good things about it, so I bought HA serum recently. Will provide you a feedback in a month or so. Just so you know, will also give 1 bottle to my mother. She has wrinkly skin. She probably is a good candidate for HA serum 
I am always looking for products to improve my skin, always researching for good products, as I can not really afford plastic surgery or laser treatments or any treatments. I would like and hope to grow old gracefully (my goal). Also, I am scared of going through the knife...
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I'm now trialing a HA serum, as I read how HA can plump up the skin and is excellent for dry, dehydrated skin. And my skin is in NEED of moisture! Lots of products/brands are promoting HA, so it must be good right 
However, I've read that HA can damage the skin  I cant remember if its on this forum or somewhere else, and I cant seem to find that thread here.
Can anyone shed some light on this issue? |
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Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:05 pm |
From what I've read, hyaluronic acid is one of the most effective anti-aging ingredients.
It's also included in some high-end multivitamins. |
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Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:53 pm |
| The instruction given on the label on the HA serum is that you only have to put 1-2 drops on your favourite moisturizer and on a cleansed face. I just got mine this afternoon and hopefully will give you an update in a couple of weeks.... will keep you posted... |
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:43 pm |
| any updates to the use of Hyaluronic acids? I have oily/combo dehydrated skin and want to embark on using OCM to cleanse. I was also looking at an oil to moisturize (have watermelon and meadowseed in my cart) and so was looking for a hyaluronic acid or hydrosol to use before the moisture oil. I live in a climate that is very cold in winter and hot in summer, would a hyaluronic acid be good for me (diy or GOW) or should I look for a formulated vegan product with hyal as an ingredient? The goal is to not dry my skin/dehydrate it more than it already is. |
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Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:00 pm |
I personally like using HA with oils. I usually blend them together in the palm of my hand then apply. Honestly, I find it works as good (or better) than most high priced moisturizers. My skin is normal, slightly dry, but using a lighter oil should work for more oily skin. Meadowfoam is nice, I've not tried watermelon, but is supposed to be good for those with oily complexions.
GOW has a good selection of oils and HAs. I use their products frequently. |
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:16 am |
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I personally like using HA with oils. I usually blend them together in the palm of my hand then apply. Honestly, I find it works as good (or better) than most high priced moisturizers. My skin is normal, slightly dry, but using a lighter oil should work for more oily skin. Meadowfoam is nice, I've not tried watermelon, but is supposed to be good for those with oily complexions.
GOW has a good selection of oils and HAs. I use their products frequently. |
Mixing HA with a moisturizer ( like Cerave PM lotion) also works very well. |
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:33 am |
That's what I do as well. Just on its own most of the HA's don't moisturize enough, unless its the Hydra Cool. That stands alone for me.
I just reordered some. I had just bought another generic HA off Amazon and it does not do enough by itself. I have to mix it with a Decleor or Cerave at night. |
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:34 am |
| I mixed my HA with Vitamin E oil and it works for me too, to bring more hydration on a combination skin... |
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Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:00 am |
| Ok so for clarification (for my Oily t-zone, dehydrated forehead, combo cheeks) I live in a climate that is cold in the winter, hot in summer, if an HA product will pull the moisture from my skin should I NOT use it now while its cold? Or will adding an oil on top fix that issue? Or should I just skip the HA and opt for a hdyrosol or hydragel or some other product that doesn't contain HA? I'm really confused by this one.. |
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Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:18 pm |
I've just read an article about the connection between stress, hormones, vascular leakiness, increased blood viscosity and blood clots, hypothyroid, and fibrinogen to the development of tumors. HA breaks down in connective tissues due to stress, and with age increases in the blood stream. Degraded HA is apparently pro-inflammatory which makes it potentially metastatic:
http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/bleeding-clotting-cancer.shtml |
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Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:21 pm |
Here is a link to a very interesting video: Hyaluronic Acid, "The Fountain Of Youth". ABC Prime Time Special with Connie Chung. This very video is what prompted me to research HA, and I was lucky enough to stumble upon EDS! I enjoyed the video, hope you do to!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PefdHNnDuv4&list=FLndTTGrl6xPR0c35avNlHuQ |
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