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enjoys freebies · Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:52 am Quote

Since the new craze about obagi's zo skin care line ,especially the Ossential™ Growth Factor Serum , I found this serum with exactly the same ingredients ,just some are not in the same order, It's called Estion Ultimate Growth Factor
and skin care rx has a special on it 60$ for 15 ml, no cheap but cheaper
What are your thoughts on this product , and has anyone used both? and compared them?

Ingredients for Estion Ultimate Growth Factor

Water, Dipropylene Glycol, Propylene Glycol, Cyclopentasiloxane, Glycerin, PEG-12, Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Dimethiconol, Butylene Glycol, Minimal Essential Medium (L-alanine, L, arginine hydrochloride, L-asparagine, L-aspartic Acid, L-crystine, L-glutamic Acid, L-glutamine, L-hustidine Hydrochloride, L-isoleucine, L-leucine, L-lysine Hydrochloride, L-methionine, L-phenylalanine, L-proline, L-serine, L-threonine, L-tryptophan, L-tyrosine, L-valine), Myristol Hexapeptide-4, Myristol Pentapeptide-8, Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate (Vitamin C), Retinol (Vitamin A), Folic Acid, Riboflavin, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Niacinamide D-Calcium Pantothenate, Calcium Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Magnesium Sulfate, Dextrose, Polysorbate 20, Glycine, Choline Chloride, i-Inositol, Pyridoxal Hydrochloride, Sodium Chloride, Sodium Phosphate Monobasic, FD & C Red 40, Fragrance, Methylparaben, and PropylparabenI

Ingredients for Ossential™ Growth Factor Serum

Aqua (Water), Dipropylene Glycol, Propylene Glycol, Cyclopentasiloxane, Glycerine, PEG-12 Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Dimethiconol, Butylene Glycol, Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Glucose, Myristoyl Hexapeptide-4, Myristoyl Pentapeptide-8, Retinol, Polysorbate 20, Glycine, Alanine, Arginine Hydrochloride, Asparagine, Aspartic Acid, Cystine, Glutamic Acid, Glutamine, Histidine Hydrochloride, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine Hydrochloride, Acetyl Methionine, Phenylalanine, Proline, Serine, Threonine, Tryptophan, Tyrosine, Valine, Choline Chloride, Calcium Pantothenate, Folic Acid, Inositol, Niacinamide, Pyridoxal Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Calcium Chloride, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Chloride, Sodium Chloride, Sodium Phosphate Monobasic, Parfum, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Citronellol, Limonene, Linalool, Beta Carotene (CI 75130).

enjoys freebies · Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:51 am Quote

I know that ZO mentioned a lot of testing on that product to find the optimal mix and dosage.

But that is a super close alternative...you deserve a Savvy Shopper award of some kind for that find!

Editing to add: We know that ZO likes to use the best technology out there, and licenses it from the patent holder as they did with the DNA repair technology in the Remergent products.

I wonder if they got this base formula from Person & Covey, and increased the strength a bit as Dr. Obagi likes to do?

enjoys freebies · Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:03 am Quote

Skincarerx seems to have the best price at $60 (regularly $90)...however, the bottle is half the size of ZO. At the regular price of $90, it is only $15 cheaper. But with the sale price in effect, that's a pretty good deal.

http://skincarerx.com/review_box.html?pid=4819

I found a little more info on another site about the product:

Quote:

Estion Ultimate Growth Factor

Clinical Studies show 97% of patients who used this product continually saw improvement for 6 months.

Designed specifically as cell compatible to support and promote fibrolast and collagen growth.

Collagen and elastin stimulating peptides with nano delivery and antiaging vitamins.

http://store.docshop.com/shopbybrand/estionsolbar/a0804/item.html

And here is the manufacturer's site...they don't seem to make too many products, and there is very little info available. It does say on the home page that you can expect remarkable results in 8 weeks.

http://www.personandcovey.com/ProductDetail.asp?ProductID=34

enjoys freebies · Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:24 am Quote

Cellbone has a product with Human Growth Factor.

Rescue - Line Spot Treatment Serum
http://cellbone.com/Rescue.htm
Promotes firmer, healthier and youthful skin with Human Oligopeptide-3 extract from yeast, 2% SYN®-TACKS, and 1% Retinol.

Ingredients:
Rose Water, Aloevera Juice, Glycerin, Tripeptide, Terapeptide, Human Oligopeptide-3, Dimethyl Isosorbide, Retinol, Black Tea Extract, Meadowfoam Seed Oil, DMAE, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Emulsifying
Wax, Beta Carotene, Nicinamide, Leicthin, Xanthum Gum, Bilberry Extract, Sugar Cane Extract, Sugar
Maple Extract, Orange Fruit Extract, Lemon Extract, Panthenol, Carrot Oil Seed, Cranberry Oil, Raspberry
Oil, Phenoxyethanol, CoQ10, Terasodium EDTA, Citric Acid

enjoys freebies · Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:28 pm Quote

bethany wrote:

But that is a super close alternative...you deserve a Savvy Shopper award of some kind for that find!

I agree. That was a great find, nibn. I noticed that the first 10 ingredients are identical between the 2 products.

enjoys freebies · Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:10 pm Quote

Hi everyone,

The Ossential Growth Factor Serum and the Estion Ultimate Growth Factor share many ingredients and both products were developed by the same expert in peptides and growth factor technology. So why does one (the ZO Skin Health formula) cost more? My best analogy is to compare two diamond rings. The spec sheet for both is the same - one 2 carat diamond, one gold band. But, one ring has a clarity of VVS1 and the other is SI2. It's all about the whole that is created by the sum of its parts... not everything is created equal, even with the same ingredients.

Dr. Obagi likes to "goose" all of his products, putting in higher concentrations of active ingredients. That's what makes the products more effective, and also more pricey. Actual concentrations for both formulas are proprietary so it is difficult to know the nuances of the two formulas. The ingredients may be listed in any order on a label below 1.0%, so there's no particular significance to the listing of ingredients on either package.

So what are you paying for with ZO products? Higher concentrations of active ingredients.

Bethany is correct about two things: (1) nibn is one very savvy shopper, and (2) Dr. Obagi likes to use the best technology out there, and definitely tweak it to meet his criteria. I've worked intimately with the guys who developed these peptides for Dr. Obagi, and can assure you that even though the formulas may look the same, they don't work the same.

I hope this helps.

Best regards,
Justin Morgan
VP - R&D
ZO Skin Health, Inc.

enjoys freebies · Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:22 pm Quote

FYIguy wrote:

So what are you paying for with ZO products? Higher concentrations of active ingredients.

Justin, as always your answers are very helpful and much appreciated.

Would it be fair to say that the delivery system for certain ingredients in the ZO GFS is also different?

enjoys freebies · Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:30 pm Quote

Thank you, Justin. That makes sense to me. Now according to the Estion product, you can "expect remarkable results in 8 weeks". How long will it take to see results from the ZO GFS?

ETA: Sorry, Justin, a few more questions. What type of results can one expect from the GFS; reduction in wrinkles, skin firming, etc? Basically what are the benefits of using the ZO GFS on our skin?

enjoys freebies · Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:04 pm Quote

Hi Bethany and Rileygirl,

Now that we're done with the question of difference of the two formulas, and on to questions specific to ZO product, I will post my response in the ZO thread.

Thank you for the questions. I will look through the data to refresh my mind of all the details and have answers for you tomorrow.

Best regards,
Justin Morgan
VP of R&D
ZO Skin Health, Inc.

enjoys freebies · Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:31 pm Quote

FYIguy wrote:

Now that we're done with the question of difference of the two formulas, and on to questions specific to ZO product, I will post my response in the ZO thread.

Good call...thanks!!

enjoys freebies · Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:22 pm Quote

mpstat wrote:

Cellbone has a product with Human Growth Factor.

Rescue - Line Spot Treatment Serum
http://cellbone.com/Rescue.htm
Promotes firmer, healthier and youthful skin with Human Oligopeptide-3 extract from yeast, 2% SYN®-TACKS, and 1% Retinol.

Ingredients:
Rose Water, Aloevera Juice, Glycerin, Tripeptide, Terapeptide, Human Oligopeptide-3, Dimethyl Isosorbide, Retinol, Black Tea Extract, Meadowfoam Seed Oil, DMAE, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Emulsifying
Wax, Beta Carotene, Nicinamide, Leicthin, Xanthum Gum, Bilberry Extract, Sugar Cane Extract, Sugar
Maple Extract, Orange Fruit Extract, Lemon Extract, Panthenol, Carrot Oil Seed, Cranberry Oil, Raspberry
Oil, Phenoxyethanol, CoQ10, Terasodium EDTA, Citric Acid

Has anyone tried this product by Cellbone? The ingredients look really interesting. I have ordered from them in the past and their customer service is excellent.

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