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Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:21 am  |
As titled. What effect do u see between the two? I got congested skin with Vit C so I wanna put that on hold for now. I feel that Retinol can address the problem with lines as well as pimples. So yeah, would luv to hear some feedbacks!  |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:00 am |
A very good question! I would say a good Vit.C serum has more immediate benefits than a retinol. I just love my skinceuticals CE Ferulic and feel that it really helps minimize my fine lines as well as give a healthy glow. I have just started with the .5 Retinol(starting with every other night) from Skinceuticals and am a bit distressed at how dry my skin looks in the morning. So at this point, I would always opt for a C Serum.. but I understand that Retinols give long term benefits and one goes through the "uglies" with them for awhile. javascript:emoticon(' ') |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:04 am |
| I use both Vitamin C in the morning and Retin-A in the evening. If I had to choose just one based on the results I've gotten I would choose Retin-A. Nothing else has made a bigger difference in my skin. |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:28 am |
| I agree. Retin A at night and vitamin C in the morning is optimum but if you can only choose one, choose Retin A. |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:18 am |
| I think the anti-ageing effect of retin A is stronger than vit. C. Vit. C is more for protection. Ideally of course, as the others have stated, you should use retin A at night and vit. C in the daytime under your sunscreen. They work in different ways and are complementary in effect. |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:06 am |
Ditto I would give up the vitamin C before the retin a. As mlrox stated you use them at different times of the day.
The one thing I would recommend is trying a different vitamin c serum. I found that I could not use the SkinMedica C I broke out within a couple of days, but others love it. I switched to Cellular Skin Rx C which I liked but I decided to start making my own serum to add ferulic acid without spending a small fortune. |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:34 am |
I think both of these go hand in hand to make us look younger. You can not do without the other one....
| Stardustdy wrote: |
| As titled. What effect do u see between the two? I got congested skin with Vit C so I wanna put that on hold for now. I feel that Retinol can address the problem with lines as well as pimples. So yeah, would luv to hear some feedbacks! |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:36 am |
Oh I forgot to add... YOu still need sunscreen on your face! Very very important!!!
| jade-1234 wrote: |
I think both of these go hand in hand to make us look younger. You can not do without the other one....
| Stardustdy wrote: |
| As titled. What effect do u see between the two? I got congested skin with Vit C so I wanna put that on hold for now. I feel that Retinol can address the problem with lines as well as pimples. So yeah, would luv to hear some feedbacks! |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:52 am |
| I agree with everyone above. I use Tazorac and it's the #1 thing I would not give up. I later added vitamin C in the morning which helped but not the same extent. Why can't you use both? |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:38 pm |
charis, it's not that I can't use both but I broke out in bumps using the CellularSkinRx Vit C serum. I want to try the Skinmedica as ppl are having good results but it's so~ expensive at almost $100. Anyone knows where I can get samples other than from EBay? Also, since it's silicone based, do I need anything special to remove it at night or my Sothys Cleansing Milk will do? I don't want to use any oil at night to clean... 
As for retinol, I haven't try it yet... but just want to ask all u experienced ladies here what's the difference first! |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:51 pm |
Star,
I use both and think they work synergistically.
If one formula of C serum caused problems, don't give up! I make my own serum very easily and cheaply. You can get a big tub of C powder cheaply online and just add distilled water for a serum that is fresher than ready-made. It isn't rocket science - just add powder to water and shake! I keep it in a brown glass dropper bottle in the frig. There are recipes for this and lots else in the DIY forum here. You'd be surprised what you can make at home and save a ton of cash too. |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:42 pm |
| fawnie wrote: |
Star,
I use both and think they work synergistically.
If one formula of C serum caused problems, don't give up! I make my own serum very easily and cheaply. You can get a big tub of C powder cheaply online and just add distilled water for a serum that is fresher than ready-made. It isn't rocket science - just add powder to water and shake! I keep it in a brown glass dropper bottle in the frig. There are recipes for this and lots else in the DIY forum here. You'd be surprised what you can make at home and save a ton of cash too. |
Fawnie, that's a good idea! Where do u get the Vit C powder? I guess u make a small batch each time so it won't go bad? What exactly is distilled water? Do u get the same results as with the commercial brand? I guess u won't break out from home-made Vit C serum then? Thanks! |
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Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:19 pm |
| keli13 wrote: |
| I use both Vitamin C in the morning and Retin-A in the evening. If I had to choose just one based on the results I've gotten I would choose Retin-A. Nothing else has made a bigger difference in my skin. |
I agree.
Sunscreen is very important if you use VC in the morning. Retin-A is the most effective skincare for mature skin but it is irritating. |
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Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:13 am |
| fawnie wrote: |
Star,
I use both and think they work synergistically.
If one formula of C serum caused problems, don't give up! I make my own serum very easily and cheaply. You can get a big tub of C powder cheaply online and just add distilled water for a serum that is fresher than ready-made. It isn't rocket science - just add powder to water and shake! I keep it in a brown glass dropper bottle in the frig. There are recipes for this and lots else in the DIY forum here. You'd be surprised what you can make at home and save a ton of cash too. |
I also did this DIY before when L-AA powder was easily accessible to me. But the prepared VC solution was much more irritating than commercial ones, such as obagi, skinceuticals and cellex-c.
I did measure the pH value of it with indication of 4 or lower. So my suggestion is this DIY serum is not suitable for sensitive skin type. |
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Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:17 pm |
I finally broke-up with Vitamin C for good a couple of months back. After many, many trials and tribulations with it - trying so many different brands (the last one being SkinMedica and thinking I had found an HG in it only to find out that maybe I'm just not a candidate for vitamin C as I wasn't liking the way my skin was looking) I tried an experiment and stopped using it b/c I felt my skin was somehow getting worse and looking pitty and just bumpy and bad - like orange peel-ish. I'm happy to report that my skin looks better without using vitamin C serums. I do love other serums though. I just scraped the bottom of Canyon Ranch's age transformation serum and would love to find a cheaper version of how nice that made my skin look and feel. I battle melasma so right now I'm using Vivite Vibrance. I didn't want to use anything else as it's pretty strong for my skin anyway. I think as long as a form of vitamin C is at the top of an ingredient list, it doesn't bode well for me....if there is vitamin c as part of a bunch of other ingredients then I tend to do better...so for me, I would not choose to use a serum labeled as a Vitamin C serum anymore. I'm about to try "real" Retin A (as opposed to Retinol) for the first time, so I'll report back on how that affects my skin -- hopefully in a positive way.
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Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:01 pm |
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=30503
Star, there's a whole thread here about DIY C serum!
I ordered mine fromwww.ThePersonalFormulator.com butwww.gardenofwisdom.com has a good supply too and you can order your pH test strips there too. I use L-ascorbic acid, but that's just my preference. Others here use other forms of C, for their own preferences. Refer to the threads for the rationales.
Distilled water is available at any supermarket or drugstore in the drinking water or baby product or household section. It's used in steam irons (remember those?).
Kassy, one of the DIY gurus, says the C serum has to be @ a pH of 3.5 to be effective - that's acidic! If you are sensitive, you could add glycerine, it appears. You can check the DIY recipes (a sticky under the DIY forum here) for other recipes for it. It has to be applied first thing after cleansing on a dry face to avoid irritation. Other moisturizers and serums can be applied over it, once it has done its thing (wait about 15-30 minutes or it will be diluted by any subsequent products and defeat the purpose).
Please see the other C threads here, as I am just a novice myself and certainly not the C serum expert!!!
But believe me the DIY version is just as potent as the store bought, if not more so since it is fresher.
I use Retin-A Micro at night, and Vit C serum in the am with hyaluronic acid serum (diy) and squalane oil and Avene Emulsion Spf50+. Sure, it's irritating, but a certain amount of irritation is what helps the collagen-production and exfoliation IMO. I believe it will subside in time. Please correct me if I'm way off on this!! |
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Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:31 am |
fawnie, thanks for the info! So I guess homemade c serum won't break me out as there're no silicones & those glycol butene (sp?) solution?
I noticed that you're also using the Avene ss. I was using a sample on and off and I'm not sure if this is breaking me out or not due to the "cones". I want to know what kind of cleanser u used at night to remove it? Thanks! |
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Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:33 pm |
| My dermatologist recommends vitamin C. There's a great serum out by la roche posay with a pure form of vitamin c. |
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Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:04 pm |
Stardusty,I hope you can find a Vit C that is nice to your face,it does help so much. And Retin A has also been proven to help. You deserve to have these two winners ! Go for it  |
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Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:10 pm |
Yup...answer is "both." There was a posting earlier--I forget from whom--talking about sunscreen creating free radicals as it breaks down. Vitamin C serum will help prevent any damage caused by that process.
No question that both retinoids--especially Retin A--and Vitamin C have the most thorough scientific evidence of benefit of any other skincare product. (Not that others aren't good, but they haven't got the track record of double blind studies behind them of these two.) |
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Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:20 am |
ok then... Since Vit C is so~ important in fighting the free radicals created by the sun, does it matter the % of the C serum? For example, a 5% vs. 10% C serum... Does that mean the higher % one will fight harder & more against the free radicals compared to the lower % one?  |
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Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:05 am |
| Retinol. |
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Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:42 am |
| I would use Retinol at night and wear sunscreen in the day time |
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Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:21 pm |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
| ok then... Since Vit C is so~ important in fighting the free radicals created by the sun, does it matter the % of the C serum? For example, a 5% vs. 10% C serum... Does that mean the higher % one will fight harder & more against the free radicals compared to the lower % one? |
hhm guess ppl didn't see my question here... |
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