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Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:50 am  |
I was wondering if anyone knows if alcohol in sunscreen, or fragrance in sunscreen can cause hyperpigmentation, skin darkness, or melasma?
My favorite Tinsorb sunscreen actually has a lot of fragrance in it. Any the La Roche Posay Mexoryl sunscreen I like contains alcohol. |
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Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:11 am |
| I'm not aware of alcohol or fragrance causing hyperpigmentation. If it's Avene that you're using, the Kid's lotion is unscented. |
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littlejess
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Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:31 pm |
| I use sunscreen that is scented and it has not caused any hyperpigmentation. I have never heard of any of them doing so either. |
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Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:55 pm |
| Amona, you do a lot of peels right? Depending on the strength, they can cause post-inflamatory hyperpigmentation (PIH). |
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Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:17 pm |
| Yes I learned that the hard way. My love of 30 percent glycolic peels and 40 percent lactic acid peels actually made my skin a lot worse over time. Especially the lactic peels which REALLY screwed things up both pigment and texture wise, somehow making my pores bigger. I dont really get it but it was really obvious. It's better now though, the hyperpigmentation is all gone thanks to Obagi, and texture is improved. Now its just a matter of not aggravating my skin again. |
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Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:20 pm |
| I should add that people should not be scared of peels though. Especially glycolic peels. It was mostly when I added the lactic peels to the mix when things got bad. Also I think I was using other products too soon afterwards, which may have contributed to hyperpigmentation. I would do a peel, wait a half hour, then slather on some DMAE crem, a moisturizer, and go out. If I ever did peels again, i would do them on like a sunday night, use just sunscreen the next day, and resume regular products after a couple days of recovery so my skin barrier had time to repair. |
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Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:35 pm |
| This is something that I've been wondering about, too. I have never bought a sunscreen more than once because of one reason or another. Because I've tried so many different brands, I honestly think some of them have GIVEN me more brown spots. I use a lactic peel but not very regularly, and I do use glycolic acid wipes (15%) about once a week or less so I don't think this is a contributor. I also would not suspect alcohol or fragrance. I think it's possible one of the blocking ingredients - or combination of these - add spots, at least on my skin. I wish I could figure it out. One example is Clinique City Block 40spf - I swear I got new spots from this even though I had used the lower SPF version for several months and never noticed any new brown spots. Curious. |
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Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:02 pm |
Some sunscreen ingredients have proven estrogenic effects, like octinoxate. I wonder if this estrogen could contribute to melasma. I dont think they have studied this. Because some people complain of hyperpigmentation after using some sunscreens. Either that, or the sunscreens they use just are not stable. There are various theories people have but no one knows for sure. You can never go wrong with Zinc oxide or Titanium dioxide and these physical sunscreen sit on top of your skin (provided they are not nanoparticles--another topic all together :P
I am disheartened to learn that my favorite French Avene sunscreen that I order straight from France contains Oxtinoxate... I thought it was Tinsorb only. It is probably OK but im paranoid about sunscreen since I slather it on and use it daily. |
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Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:48 pm |
| amonavis wrote: |
I was wondering if anyone knows if alcohol in sunscreen, or fragrance in sunscreen can cause hyperpigmentation, skin darkness, or melasma?
My favorite Tinsorb sunscreen actually has a lot of fragrance in it. Any the La Roche Posay Mexoryl sunscreen I like contains alcohol. |
I'm not aware of alcohol or fragrance causing hyperpigmentation. But, sunscreen is really trial and error. I have tanned (and freckled) through what is supposedly the best sunscreen (mexoryl), and I have had lot of freckles pop out with a ton of sunscreens. I have had bad luck with a ton of sunscreens, either by tanning or freckling through them. |
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Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:57 am |
| There really is a big void in the sunscreen studies. My guess is any ingredient that has an estrogenic effect could cause pigmentation changes, depending on your skin and overall body chemistry. I did a ton of reading about sunscreens last summer and felt no smarter about them afterward. I've also read so many posts on this board about troublesome effects of various brands. This is one product that a lot of people are using everyday and we don't know enough about it to make the right choices for ourselves. I started using Elta MD UV Physical SPF 41 last summer and, while it's a cosmetically beautiful product, I swear I got a new brown spot on my forehead! |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:06 am |
yeah amonavis, I'm devastated to find out that the Avene ss contains Octinoxate. It seems too good to be true 
So now I'm trying to look for another alternative... I'm thinking that maybe use a physical ss w/ moisturizer for daily use such as Kimberly Sayer. It has SPF 25 and contains both Zinc Oxide & Titanium Dioxide although I don't have the % for it. I emailed the company but no replies so far...
As for spending the entire day or hrs out in the sun, use a high protective chemical ss like the Avene one. I don't think just one day use or a few days use will cause hormone disruption. 
What do u ladies think?
I'm using Olay SPF 30 at the moment for a few yrs already. It has Octinoxate but *touch wood*, I don't have any spots using it. In fact, it has keep me quite fair so I'm not sure if it's true that Octinoxate will in fact cause pigmentation. |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:02 am |
If I were woman and must avoid American sunscreen products, most of which are added with Oxybenzene, ranging from 2 to 5%.
Oxy is long-termly suspicious to be a kind of endocrine disruptor. |
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:18 pm |
What do you guys think of octocrylene? Its in many La Roche Posay sunscreens.
I want to find a good LRP Mexoryl sunscreen BUT its proving difficult to find one that doesnt leave me an oily greasy mess. Naturally Id like to it be over SPF 40, preferably 50 or 60 
Has anyone tried any LRP high SPF sunscreens that are non irritating and don't leave them all greasy? I hate oily ones because it makes my pores enlarged. Oh ya and it can't have fragrance either. I think im difficult |
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:02 pm |
| I tried LRP 60SPF, the fluid in the tube, a couple of years ago. I didn't re-purchase because it left my face oily. I have normal to dry skin with a few small slightly oily patches so I know if a product results in a lot of shine, it must be pretty greasy. I also noticed several enlarged plugged pores on my nose and cheeks. Too bad because I think it's a decent sun screen. Wish I could comment on octocrylene, but I haven't researched it. |
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