Those into the Sircuit line of skincare, check these out...
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free skin care · Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:53 pm

http://www.supernatural.com/Products/Kyra/KyraSplash.asp

http://www.cosmedix.com/

Not only that their products have similar ingredients as Sircuit's, they cost less too.

free skin care · Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:04 pm

eSquire415 wrote:

http://www.supernatural.com/Products/Kyra/KyraSplash.asp

http://www.cosmedix.com/

Not only that their products have similar ingredients as Sircuit's, they cost less too.

Wow, the prices are a lot lower. How the heck did you find this? Have you tried anything yet? Thanks for sharing.

free skin care · Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:18 pm

Wow

I must admit the products are astoundingly similar and are much lower in price.

If only I hadnt ordered a few skincare items already ( I cant wait for my Dr Brandt Microdermabrasion in a JAr to arrive - ive been dying to try this!) I wouldve tried some stuff out. Knowing my lemmings though, it probably wont be long before I do anyway! Very Happy

Farouk

Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:48 am

Thanks for that eSquire415! I'll check it out, although I'm not seeing any exceptional results from using this "chiral" (sp?) stuff. Sircuit has some nice products that I do like but most of them are over priced (except the eye cream - that I would buy at the RRP). That reminds me too that I should really sit down and review some of the Sircuit stuff.....

free skin care · Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:06 am

You are welcome Smile

I found the websites from another forum (MenEssentials) and thought I post it here since Sircuit has been mentioned and discussed on EDS several times.

oh...a private label manufacturer called ZED Laboratories in LA makes the Sircuit line. They private label for many other producers and have their own retail line called Skingenious.

free skin care · Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:20 am

eSquire415, thats great info. I wish this came to my knowledge before. Im feeling little bit bad now... Sad

Medusa

Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:06 pm

I sat down last night (I do have a life but the curiosity was killing me) and I read through all the Kyra product descriptions and all the Sircuit descriptions. I'm about 99% sure that Sircuit O.M.G. serum = Kyra Special FX serum. All the ingredients listed seem the same, the main focus of the serum is the same as well.

I really like the O.M.G serum but the $150/oz is rather ridiculous. Kyra Special FX is half that price.

Has anybody else compared? I have plenty of O.M.G. left but I'm tempted to buy the Special FX just so that I can see what it looks like (color, texture etc) and if it feels the same on the skin. I know it also has Balm Mint so it should have the same minty feeling. The one thing that is also possible is that the OMG and the Special FX could have different concentrations of the products - thus accounting for (some of) the price difference. Oh, I think Sircuit also has better packaging but that should not be a significant price difference seeing as a dropper bottle like that only costs about $1.40 (the plastic contained that Kyra uses would be about $0.40 I'm guessing). So the main question is - are the ingredient concentrations the same?

free skin care · Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:06 pm

I use Kyra and I have to say that Super Natural is one of the best companies that I have ever dealt with. I have the whole line and to me all of the products are wonderful especially the Mellow Yellow cream. I sampled the Sircuit line and it was too harsh for me, my skin just loves the Kyra. Their shampoo and conditioner are fabulous also. I also went by both ingredient lists and they were very comparable but there was a huge difference in price.

Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:04 pm

Sircut is attempting to make a nice product, and they've done what they can, but NO ONE can come close to CosMedix. It's like having a fake Louis Vuitton purse trying to pass it off as the real thing when you know darn well you bought it from the guy in an alley. It looks great, it may even smell, great, but it won't hold true to the test of performance. CosMedix has done years of extensive research to create their product. They didn't just go to a lab and "private label" what the lab already had. CosMedix products are true, proprietary ingredients which these other lines are not privy to, and as some products may seem similar,it is because everyone wants to jump on the "chirally correct" trend that CosMedix started. I encourage all of you to become ingredient detectives and thoroughly read each and every ingredient that is on the back of the labels. Then find out what the percentage of that ingredient is. Every ingredient that can be Chirally Corrected in CosMedix' products, is. And any company that spends that kind of $$$ is going to brag about it. Oh, and to whoever was misinformed...Zed Labs is not a Lab in LA. Please guys/girls do your research and make an educated decision for you clients skin care health. Go to the skin care shows and speak to the Educators or Reps or the owners of CosMedix and find out that you will be comparing Apples to Oranges with these other companies. Good Luck!

free skin care · Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:48 pm

Here's another site that does the same thing as Sircuit.

http://www.isocare.net/

or

http://www.mediphasics.com/

free skin care · Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:34 am

So I'm interested in the CosMedix site. But when I try to view the products I get 6 blank black squares. Confused

Does anyone else get this? Please help. It's sort of hit and miss now when I try to view the products - when I click in the black square I get different results each time. Mad

I'd really like to buy a cheaper version of Sircuit's lip balm. Do CosMedix make one?

free skin care · Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:59 am

anyone have any idea about isocares shipping charges to the uk? Question

Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:41 pm

guapagirl wrote:

anyone have any idea about isocares shipping charges to the uk? Question

Sorry, no idea on that one. But I can tell you that the Kyra skincare from supernatural.com charges $35.00 for 1-4 items, $45.00 4-8 items for international customers. Yikes!

free skin care · Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:51 pm

Where do you find the pricing and how to order from the CosMedix site?

free skin care · Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:24 am

Hey everybody,
I did some research and found out that ZED Laboratories does private labeling for both the Surcuit line and for Kyra. What does that mean? It means that both Surcuit & Kyra just buy the same, pre-bottled product and put their own label on it & then sell it to us!
I thought they had their own chemists who did research & created their own formulas. Turns out they just buy it in bulk, mark it up & sell it off. Disappointing.
As for the Smack Lip Balm, same thing. You can buy the Peppermint Beeswax Lip Balm from JASON and it is the same product (and cheaper too).
As for the chrial ingredients - it's all marketing.
When you buy vitamin C for example to use in formulation for skin care products, there are maybe 2 or 3 types (sourced) for vitamin C. L-ascorbic acid is the industry standard (not rare), but it also just happens to be chrially altered. It's not special, just what it is. Same thing for d-alpha tocopherol (Vitamin E). Chrial? Yes. Special? No. Industry standard - not rare.
Believe me, I know this all to be true. I am developing my own line of skincare products and have been doing research for months now. But I am creating my OWN products! I hired a chemist and dermatologist & they are doing actual research & clinical trials to help me formulate my products. No label switching here!
Laughing

Anyway, I am insane and don't like sleeping much, so I needed something to consume my life and drain my bank account! That's actually why I haven't been posting for a while... been busy.
Just thought I'd let you girls know what is really in the stuff you're paying top dollar for. I'm not trying to cuase a scandal here...just inform other product junkies like me!
Wink

free skin care · Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:32 am

go on...tell us more about your own range then! ...You know you want to! Very Happy

free skin care · Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:15 pm

I am soooo BUSTED! No, seriously, I just wanted people to know that there is a lot of ummm...how shall I say...deception out there in regard to personal care products. I don't know if "deception" is the right word..but the only one I can come up with. You all know what I mean.
But hey, if you like the product line and it works for you (and judging from the ingredients, they seem like OK products), then be happy that you found products that you like. You may just want to do some research if you can get the SAME product but with a different name on the label for half the price. That's all I'm saying. Wink

free skin care · Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:39 pm

soooooo....when are they gonna hit the shelves? Do you need testers? (I have done it for a year now testing virgin vie and stuff, so I have good qualifications Laughing

) And what products are you developing? Tell, tell, tell!

free skin care · Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:08 pm

Well, we are starting out small. So far we have an antioxidant facial cleanser w/green tea & seaweed extracts & hyaluronic acid. We also have an oil-free moisturizer w/hyaluronic acid, vitamins, & ceramides, and a pretty good eye cream that we all are addicted to. All our ingredients are natural & certified organic.

So it's just those 3 products for now. I didn't realize how involved all this would be! We'll have to wait a little bit to release our treatments & other products. We should hit the shelves in a couple of months. But our web-store probably won't be up until summer.

All the lab testing, allergey testing & challange testing has been done, but we do need some feedback from real-life people who try our products and give us feedback. If you're seriously interested, PM me so we don't tick anybody off who doesn't want to read about all this! Wink

Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:42 pm

It's unfortunate that someone would say that "chiral" or chirality is not special because contrary to what you believe, it is extremely important. The most important molecules in life are chiral. Yes, L- ascorbic has been recognized becaused our body recongized the "L" form best. Same with the D-alpha-tocopherol that was mentioned. The body's cell receptors are ALL chiral. They are like gloves to fit only over the correct hands. So, likewise, Skin Care products need to be CHIRALLY CORRECT for the 'proper fit' onto the skin's receptors. This results in the most effective (high %of active ingredient) products, and the least side effects! If this doesn't make sense, take a listen to this...the FDA mandated that ALL pharmaceutical companies in the US make all new drugs chirally correct so that they do not cause ill even fatal side effects. Seldane was a drug pulled off the market when a women suffered a fatal side effect. Another company made the same drug, but switched the way the molecule spinned, (chirally corrected it) and now that drug is called Allegra! So Chiral, Chirality, Chirally Correct however, you want to say it....it's all important!

Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:47 pm

those of you who are trying to view cosmedix web page and are having problems can always try to contact them at 1800-COSMEDIX. They may have a distributer in the UK if that is where you live. They do not sell direct to the consumer. It is a professional line only. They sell to physicians and licensed profesionals only. They may be able to refer you to someone if you are not licensed, however. You get what you pay for!

free skin care · Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:42 pm

I wasn't saying in my previous post that chirality doesn't exist, I just don't believe from my research thusfar that it plays a major role in topical vitamin absorbtion & skin care. Chirality would however, as you stated, be more of an issue in chemical & pharmaceutical applications. These are synthetic compounds that can (and often do) have negative side effects on the body asa whole. So if those side effects could be lessened, then of course it's important. But we're not talking about that. We are talking about topical applications that never make it to the bloodstream in most cases.

And as I said , L-ascorbic acid is the industry standard. Pick up a bottle of Jergen's lotion for $1.99 and chances are you'll see L-ascorbic acid in the ingredients. So why aren't they charging $60 an ounce like some "chirally correct" skin care lines? I just don't understand why some skin care companies push this, as if your skin will rot & fall off if you use a product with Ester-C.
BTW, take a look at what Dr. Perricone says about why he prefers Ester-C to L-ascorbic acid.

http://beauty.ivillage.com/perricone/faq/article/0,,530978,00.html

I'm not saying that chirality is bad, or fake- it has always existed and always will...naturally. The skin will absorb & use what vitamins it needs and that will be that. Just as it always has done. But if someone wants to pay triple for a product that has had a molecule removed (which may only become water & evaoprate later), then I won't try to stop them.
I just find it interesting when an industry spotlights something that has always existed as new or necessary or better, how so many can take it out of context or have an inflated perspective on it. I just think it's interesting. Wink

Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:57 pm

pbsadhaka, if you are investing in producing skin care products, you should make this your mission to further investigate what "chirally correct" means. As stated before, yes chiral exists everywhere. But everything is NOT chirally correct! It IS very important to skin care products as well as drugs. You are sadly mistaken to think that just because we are only applying products topically that they chirality is of no importance. Don't forget. The skin is our largest organ. Through it we absorb, we use it for respiration, to excrete waste, etc. So what we put on our skin is as important as what we put in our bodies.
I won't even get into c-esters, because those manufacturers don't tell you that for that ingredient to be effective, it has to reconvert back to L-ascorbic acid to become effective. That's a fact! Ask your chemist! By that time, it has lost efficacy and potency. Yes, they will tell you that c-esters can permeate the cell membrane much quicker than L-ascorbic but they leave out that very imortant detail that I mentioned above! I want you to have an awesome product and get the money you deserve for it. Don't have the same products that everyone else has. When you have products that are chirally correct, you can leave the preservatives out, lessen the irratation and inflamation, and have incredible results! Good Luck!

free skin care · Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:43 pm

Thanks for your advice & encouragement. I understand that everything is not chrially correct. And yes, I do understand that the ester c needs to be metabolized and converted to l-ascorbic acid. I guess that I am just not as concerned with every vitamin being chirally correct (which ours are BTW), but I am more concerned with the OTHER ingredients in the formulation. Like using organic ingredients and natural botanicals that take the place of chemicals and synthetic emulsifiers, etc. Anyway, like I said, I am not the chemist here, so I don't want to get dragged into this discussion too deep. (I'm in the weeds!) Laughing

I was just giving you my PERSONAL opinion on how I feel about the whole thing. You can be assured that neither myself nor my formulation consultants will turn a blind eye either to science or to nature.

Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:30 pm

these brands which you are all discussing - Sircuit, Cosmedix, and so on - are all made by the same company in Arizona - CoValence. Zed Labs is a front and not a manufacturer of these products.

How do I know all this? I co-created the first chiral line in 1998 in partnership with the lab in Arizona who subsequently took my work and sold many of my ideas and concepts to other people after our partnership dissolved. They were entitled to since they owned the formulations, but the intellectual property of much of the writing was mine, although no one seems to care. Phrases like 'chirally correct' were coined entirely by me, Nigel Allan (I formerly marketed CoValence's products in 1993-94 via Enrich Intl under my brand name, aeon.) Anywhere you read phrases like 'pronounced ki-rul, from the greek word meaning hand' are my phraseology (I studied Greek at university).

I first mentioned the idea of creating chirally correct cosmetics to Mike Bollman - formerly of Bollman Molecular aka CoValence - back in early 1997 and we set up a company together in Vancouver called Technoire Laboratories where I launched the 'Chiral' line via our own mlm company. Mike and Linda Bollman and I had a disagreement since he changed his mind and no longer wanted to sell via mlm, which caused me and my fledgling distributor base enormous problems. I then sold the products under a new name via Life Dynamics in Vancouver in 1999 and called them Isomer. Working there was Morag Currin, who now works for CoValence.

The packaging with the holographic labelling was mine and it has been copied since ....the descriptions of chirality and ingredients on all these companies' websites are my words taken from my own writing for my distributor manuals...they have no right to use them. I can prove this since I have the original documents written in 1998...bottom line is despite their ridiculous claims to have created their own lines themselves the ingredients descriptions and nomenclature has the Bollman or CoValence 'fingerprints' all over them, much like DNA. CoValence are private people and don't like publicity so they used me initially and now they use Shan Albert of Zed Labs to appear to be the manufacturer. But they are all from the same stable. I no longer work with CoValence as you can gather but they do make very nice formulas,nevertheless as a creative person I resent people using my ideas and wording and concepts without giving proper credit which is why I have spoken up.

I have moved on to other pastures in skin care now since the chiral story was never developed with the purity of my original vision. By the way Supernatural is also the same products. My friend Taylore Sinclaire started buying from CoValence after I parted company with them in 1999. I believe Taylore sold Supernatural to another company last year. Bottom line, use your eyes and do not be taken in by marketing BS of a so-called doctor saying he created such and such. The ingredients and descriptions tell the whole story and you can tell where it was made. Now you have the facts and not urban myth.

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