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What is the best way you have found to stimulate collagen?

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Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:05 pm      Reply with quote
In all the fad and facts and gadgets, techniques, procedures, Dr's treatment etc., that you have found to be the best way to stimulate collagen?
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I would say a combination of derma-rolling and very bright red light combined with infra-red light (source - phototheraputics New-U) and combined with microdermabrasion. Vit C & collagen supplements.

Works well.

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Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:16 pm      Reply with quote
silly question from me: how do you tell you have new collegan grown? or you have stimulated the growth successfully?

Healing and recover doesn't count, does it?
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Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:09 am      Reply with quote
massaging and pinching the skin
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Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:06 pm      Reply with quote
Retin-A

http://www.smartskincare.com/treatments/topical/tretin.html

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Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:56 pm      Reply with quote
I'll go with the active massage, pinching and dry brushing of the skin. You'll feel it getting thicker. Many people believe in the use of MSM and vit C supplements for the skin. I teach Nutrition at a college and tell my students "c" is for collagen.
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Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:13 pm      Reply with quote
I agree - pinching works well - I use a Wellbox which has a slight pinching and massaging affect on the skin - my skin looks great after about a week and gets better as time goes on.
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Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:03 am      Reply with quote
What's a wellbox?
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Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:09 am      Reply with quote
http://www.wellbox.com/EN/wellbox_treatment.html

It uses a treatment called liftmassage for the face, more details on their site.

I find it really works on my face and neck.

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Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:04 am      Reply with quote
Retin-A is the only topical to have been scientifically proven to stimulate collagen growth. That is why it's a medicine and not a cosmetic - it works deep down in the tissue of the skin to regenerate collagen.

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Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:53 pm      Reply with quote
For those who pinch the skin to stimulate collagen, how hard do you pinch and for how long? How frequent?
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Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:45 pm      Reply with quote
Bira wrote:
For those who pinch the skin to stimulate collagen, how hard do you pinch and for how long? How frequent?


Bira,
I do this as part of my facial exercise/massage routine every day. I pinch/twist/roll/knead/tap/pull and massage as deeply as I can stand without causing bruising for as long as I can/time allows. I find myself pinching thruout the day when I have time and my hands are clean.

You would be surprised at how much thicker the tissues of the face feel after doing this for as little as 2 weeks. I'm convinced it is contributing to collagen build.

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fawnie wrote:
Bira wrote:
For those who pinch the skin to stimulate collagen, how hard do you pinch and for how long? How frequent?


Bira,
I do this as part of my facial exercise/massage routine every day. I pinch/twist/roll/knead/tap/pull and massage as deeply as I can stand without causing bruising for as long as I can/time allows. I find myself pinching thruout the day when I have time and my hands are clean.

You would be surprised at how much thicker the tissues of the face feel after doing this for as little as 2 weeks. I'm convinced it is contributing to collagen build.


Thanks fawnie. I started a thread in skincare about massaging the nose/mouth lines after I read this thread. I was hoping that massaging the lines will fill up the grooves. Do you think that's a possibility?
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Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:53 pm      Reply with quote
Anything is possible I guess, but I think it is the strengthening of the underlying musculature of the face along WITH the massage that really reforms the face.

You might try it! But be gentle at first til you see if you are apt to bruise from it. Go to LouLou's Ageless If You Dare site and do the exercises along with her til you get a feel for it!

You can thicken the skin up til the cows come home but if the underlying muscles are flaccid and weak, the face will still be saggy, right?

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I know this is an older thread, but hoping some of you who were discussing the pinch roll massage could set my mind at ease. I have been massaging my upper eye lids for several days now, pinching, and they look terrible, like loose and draping!! They've never done that before and i'm kinda freaking out. The skin looks stressed and unhealthy Sad

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Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:23 pm      Reply with quote
jenp7 wrote:
I know this is an older thread, but hoping some of you who were discussing the pinch roll massage could set my mind at ease. I have been massaging my upper eye lids for several days now, pinching, and they look terrible, like loose and draping!! They've never done that before and i'm kinda freaking out. The skin looks stressed and unhealthy Sad
Hi Jen, You are right, your lids are stressed. Give them a rest. There is no damage. When all calms down they'll look amazing!

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Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:08 pm      Reply with quote
Yes, and when you restart, do so more gently/less aggressively.

It's like running a marathon. If you're really really fit, you can go out and run a half-marathon any day. But if you're new to that type of aerobic fitness, you need to start out more gradually and work you way up to those more challenging workouts Smile

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Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:32 pm      Reply with quote
sherryf13500 wrote:
In all the fad and facts and gadgets, techniques, procedures, Dr's treatment etc., that you have found to be the best way to stimulate collagen?


For me it's a one two punch.. 1. LED, 2. Microneedling.

And of course a great topical antioxidant regime of DIY products.

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Im amending my post to say that Retin-A was way too drying for me. Microencapsulated retinyl is more kind to the skin (for me anyway). It has the same effect as Retin-A but may take longer and is not as drying or harsh (for me).

Then: DermaPen needling

Then: SQOOM (iontophoresis/sonophoresis) for product penetration of active ingredients like hyaluronic acid. Vitamin A and Vitamin C are the building blocks. Everything else is secondary.

Sunscreen to protect the skin from collagen degradation.

Phospholipids to support the barrier function.

Nutrition.

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Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:13 pm      Reply with quote
Thank you Deb and CM for the words of encouragement-- I am not doing too much scrutinizing in the mirror right now....hoping things will spring back to shape within a week or so.

I have definitely noticed thickening skin in NL area over the last year or two of regular massage. Just have never touched the eye area aggressively and noticed they seemed thin. Next, time I will be more gentle...

As for me with collagen build-- nutrition and hydration seem key as well as skin stimulation (massage mainly)

I have started dry brushing my body and face-- great results on body-- but nothing totally obvious on face yet...

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Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:29 pm      Reply with quote
I'd love to believe that massage can achieve what needling has - massage is cheaper, easier, less painful, no downtime. I do it regularly as part of facial exercises. But any results are a lot less obvious to me than the very clear, very impressive results I've had from needling.

It seems obvious that challenging the skin with massage is a good idea, and I will continue, but for me it doesn't get deep into lines and doesn't make such obvious thickening withing a few weeks as needling does.

Retin-a isn't an option for me - gives me a horrible rash. Anyway, I'm a very DIY person, so would rather not be dependent on a medical product Smile.
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Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:18 pm      Reply with quote
Oh and: months ago I posted a query here about exactly what studies we have proving that massage builds collagen. Strangely, interest was nearly zero. And all my searches online have come up with NOTHING. No scientific proof that massage helps build collagen. Whereas CIT has been scientifically proven to do so.

But if someone has found scientific proof re massage building collagen, please post it, I'm very keen on the concept.
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Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:32 am      Reply with quote
I am on the 4th week of treatment with my Tria Anti Aging laser and I am seeing greater improvement in wrinkles, hyperpigmentation and pores than I have ever seen with many years and $$$$ worth of topicals. I know I am building collagen with this brilliant device. I am so happy that I decided to buy it:-)
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Needl wrote:
Oh and: months ago I posted a query here about exactly what studies we have proving that massage builds collagen. Strangely, interest was nearly zero. And all my searches online have come up with NOTHING. No scientific proof that massage helps build collagen. Whereas CIT has been scientifically proven to do so.

But if someone has found scientific proof re massage building collagen, please post it, I'm very keen on the concept.


Do you have the link to where CIT has scientifically been shown to improve collagen? Thanks!
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Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:31 pm      Reply with quote
Not the link, but look up Dr Des Fernandes and you'll see his published work.
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