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Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:04 pm  |
| Kay2008 wrote: |
| carforum wrote: |
| I am sorry , Can I ask where can I buy the dremaroller? I only can find Leaf & Rusher TxRoller Leaf & Rusher TxRoller in EDS, does this Leaf & Rusher TxRoller works??? |
On this thread are some places you can buy a derma roller: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29392
I have previously bought mine from Nova Clinic: http://www.dermarollers.com/
I bought another 2 from Dr.Roller.eu: http://www.dr-roller.eu/ Their service was brilliant, and they are the cheapest I have found. Delivery was free too, and arrived in about a week.
If I order anymore I will certainly order from them again.
The above websites sell Dr.Roller rollers, these are the ones I would recommend you buy.
Here is another website where you can buy a roller from (I am not sure where you are from...): http://www.derma-rollers.com/
I would advise not to take notice of their usage instructions, I am sorry but they are incorrect (has been discussed before), no one should roll daily.
Maybe other people will be able to recommend more websites. |
Thx for help Kay2008...
I have read through this post, and see that most of you are using Dr. Roller, So I decide I will buy this Brand too! But because I am a first time user, do you think is it good if I buy 1mm? Or should I buy 0.5mm? I have SM all over my butt, and my thigh.
Second is, because I have problem in english (not my mother language), I can't understand the post of DIY ViT C, Is that I can buy Vit C powder from here, http://www.makingcosmetics.com/Vitamin-C-L-ascorbic-acid--p188.html
and then add this powder into water to make a vit C spray??? Or Did I need to add anything else like some oil?
Thank you very much for you help! |
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Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:03 pm |
| superdogg wrote: |
I was reading that it start to produce collagen from 21 days and you see full results at 6 months so i feel abit better lol |
I read it takes around 90 days for the new collagen to start replacing the old collagen, and results would come gradually and be seen for up to a year since your last roll. |
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:21 pm |
Hi,
One more thing, I read this post again and again, I see most of you are using 0.05 Retin A Cream. I just wonder why not apply gel type? Can I use 0.1 Retin A Gel after rolling?
Because what I think is gel form are more easy penetrate into skin. Is that correct?
Again, thx for everyone information and help! |
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:52 pm |
| carforum wrote: |
| Kay2008 wrote: |
| carforum wrote: |
| I am sorry , Can I ask where can I buy the dremaroller? I only can find Leaf & Rusher TxRoller Leaf & Rusher TxRoller in EDS, does this Leaf & Rusher TxRoller works??? |
On this thread are some places you can buy a derma roller: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29392
I have previously bought mine from Nova Clinic: http://www.dermarollers.com/
I bought another 2 from Dr.Roller.eu: http://www.dr-roller.eu/ Their service was brilliant, and they are the cheapest I have found. Delivery was free too, and arrived in about a week.
If I order anymore I will certainly order from them again.
The above websites sell Dr.Roller rollers, these are the ones I would recommend you buy.
Here is another website where you can buy a roller from (I am not sure where you are from...): http://www.derma-rollers.com/
I would advise not to take notice of their usage instructions, I am sorry but they are incorrect (has been discussed before), no one should roll daily.
Maybe other people will be able to recommend more websites. |
Thx for help Kay2008...
I have read through this post, and see that most of you are using Dr. Roller, So I decide I will buy this Brand too! But because I am a first time user, do you think is it good if I buy 1mm? Or should I buy 0.5mm? I have SM all over my butt, and my thigh. |
Hi, no problem.
I would go for a 1.5mm roller, most people rolling for stretch marks use that size. It's more likely to reach the dermis (where stretch marks form).
| carforum wrote: |
Second is, because I have problem in english (not my mother language), I can't understand the post of DIY ViT C, Is that I can buy Vit C powder from here, http://www.makingcosmetics.com/Vitamin-C-L-ascorbic-acid--p188.html
and then add this powder into water to make a vit C spray??? Or Did I need to add anything else like some oil?
Thank you very much for you help! |
Hi yes that is right. To make the DIY Vit C SPRAY (not serum) you add L-ascorbic acid to water.
| carforum wrote: |
Hi,
One more thing, I read this post again and again, I see most of you are using 0.05 Retin A Cream. I just wonder why not apply gel type? Can I use 0.1 Retin A Gel after rolling?
Because what I think is gel form are more easy penetrate into skin. Is that correct?
Again, thx for everyone information and help! |
I think people might be choosing the cream over the gel because gel might give off a burning sensation and feel umcomfortable after applying it. It might dry out the skin, but I am not sure.
P Girl mentioned that to me once (I think it was P Girl anyway) so I decided to go for the cream instead. |
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Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:53 pm |
I've received my roller to days ago and I just try it on couple of places to see if it hurts...
Well on my inner thigh I didn't feel a thing so I rolled and rolled for about 15 min,I pressed pretty hard ( I'm training handball),there was not much blood but there was many blood spots...
So I rolled my outer thigh,the same thing - hard press and rolling for about 15 min
And the last part was my hip - it was uncomfortable so I use ice,than it was ok
I had 3 purple spots were I rolled,and now they becoming red.
I think I did a good job here,but I will roll all parts accept these in 20 days (I can't now)
and on my second roll I will include those 3.
I plan to roll every 5-6 weeks... |
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:27 am |
| don't forget to disinfect your icepack. I have been always thoroughly disinfecting my skin, my hands, my dermaroller and later I realized that I am completely neglecting to disinfect my icepack. I didn't even wash it when I took it out of my fridge.. |
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Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:25 pm |
| I've don that.My neighbor is dermatologist so she gave me some disinfective spray that she is using in her dispensary,so I spray all over it before and after... |
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:03 am |
| I am going to do another roll on my back today. I am more then ever convinced that bleeding skin produces pigmented quicker. I would rather have the pigment in my skin faster than collagen filling it up Results on my back are much slowly cause the skin is so much thicker |
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:45 am |
| superdogg wrote: |
| I am going to do another roll on my back today. I am more then ever convinced that bleeding skin produces pigmented quicker. I would rather have the pigment in my skin faster than collagen filling it up Results on my back are much slowly cause the skin is so much thicker |
Hi superdogg,
Are you going to be using EMLA? if so, where do your purchase yours from? When I bought mine it was such a SMALL tube it wouldn't cover much and I find it can work out a little expensive.
I am thinking about rolling my arms soon (not only for stretch marks but for elasticity too due to weight loss/gain) but I will probably use an ice pack, I know the underarm/inner arm area is going to be the most painful. |
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:11 pm |
Kay i got my through prescription through the doctor. So it's a 30 gram tube ...but you can buy a 5 gm or 30gm tube.
I did an amazing roll on my back today, it was a pool of blood. Can wait to see what effect that will have. Though i feel like nothing is happening to them. Tho they are very thick and bad 
And kay you dont need to apply much all you have to do is like apply over a large area but enough for it to have a light film on the skin it does't have to be thick. The trick is to wash the skin clean and make sure you cling film to the point no moisture can escape. then leave it for 1 hour or two hours depending on where on the body. |
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:11 pm |
Ok!! How do you bleed that much?????
I've rolled pretty hard for 15 min,I've got that pop sound, and there was little blood,almost nothing? My skin was even purple for 2 days and still is red... Now it start itching,worse than when I had chickenpox... |
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:50 pm |
| other members barely bleed. I prefer to roll till i bleed. If you skin is itching it is a sign that it is healing. |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:49 am |
| superdogg wrote: |
Kay i got my through prescription through the doctor. So it's a 30 gram tube ...but you can buy a 5 gm or 30gm tube.
And kay you dont need to apply much all you have to do is like apply over a large area but enough for it to have a light film on the skin it does't have to be thick. The trick is to wash the skin clean and make sure you cling film to the point no moisture can escape. then leave it for 1 hour or two hours depending on where on the body. |
Thank you superdogg!
Another quick question, once the area is numb from the EMLA do you wash the cream off before rolling? |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:10 am |
| the doctors who perform dermarolling are always washing off EMLA before rolling. Nevertheless, sometimes they use liquid lidocain while rolling. |
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Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:25 pm |
Hello everyone,
I've just bought a 1.5mm dermaroller for post pregnancy SM's and having read alot of information, I thought I would bring this to your attention as I keep seeing the use of ascorbic acid being mentioned in this thread.
It was written by Dr. Desmond Fernandes.
Noxious chemicals, however, may still penetrate the skin, so only safe molecules should be used topically (Fig. 11).
After this serous leak has stopped, the skin is washed thoroughly and then covered with vitamin A, C, and E oil or cream (do not use ascorbic acid).
For the full article (which is very informative) here's the link:
http://www.dermogenesis.com/roll-cit/Clinics_of_N_Am_2005.pdf
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:08 am |
My dermatologist told me not to use vit C or retinoic acid (Retin A)creams on open skin because they are both acids. She said I should wait at least 2 days after rolling.
But retinol acetate creams can be used immediately because this form of vit A is slowly transformed by our body to retinoic acid. |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:13 am |
Well Martal, I never wash off the Emla and the instruction leaflet it comes doesn't say anything about washing it off. One reason doctor clean it off is because they use a very thick layer of EMLA on the skin. We are using thin layers of EMLA because it is expensive.
Kay if you are going to use a thin layer on your skin don't wash it off because Like i say Emla wears off quickly. Aslong you have cleaned your skin before hand you will be fine.
But as a said use a thin layer that just films the skin...but under a Saran wrap or Cling film that is seals off so no moisture can escape while it under wraps for an hour of two hours.
EMLA is safe to use. T he highest dosage you can us it at home is 30 to 40 gram in one single session. It's half life is around 2 hours which means it will be no longer in you blood after that session
But as I said before if you take any heart medication or have Methemoglobinemia don't use it. O r just see if it has any contradictions
Here is a Dosage of Emla doesn't include adults
Age and Body Weight
Requirements Maximum
Total Dose of Emla Cream
Maximum Application Area**
Maximum Application Time
0 up to 3 months or < 5 kg 1 g 10 cm2 1 hour
3 up to 12 months and > 5 kg 2 g 20 cm2 4 hours
1 to 6 years and > 10 kg 10 g 100 cm2 4 hours
7 to 12 years and > 20 kg 20 g 200 cm2 4 hours
Adults dose As i said, is between 30 and 40 gm. So don't listen to scare stories. But aslways look for signs that you might be allergic to it, and call a doctor straight away |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:31 am |
EMLA FAQ
Why should emla® not be used on open wounds?
emla® should not be applied to open wounds other than leg ulcers, due to insufficient data on absorption from these sites.
INSTRUCTIONS
6. Immediately before the procedure, the occlusive dressing will be removed, the emla cream wiped off and the area cleaned with alcohol. Duration of effective skin anaesthesia will be at least 2 hours after removal of the occlusive dressing.
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I am not using the EMLA so you have more experience with it but I would be very concerned to advice people to basically roll the EMLA into their blood stream because some people might have and extreme reaction(it happens rarely but it happened in the past), especially if they put EMLA all over their abdomen for example. |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:44 am |
--Adults dose As i said, is between 30 and 40 gm
yes but dont forget that this dose is made to be used on an INTACT skin .
dermarolling GREATLY increases the skin absorption + it will push lidocain from EMLA into your blood stream |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:23 am |
martel, this a thin layer of EMLA and it people are worried just wipe it off with a baby wipe.
But as I said doctors use thick layers of emla cause they don't have to worry about cost. People on here are using 5 mg of EMLA. Even some times 2.5gm of emla for one session. So it a very thin layer that even if it get in someones skin during rolling it will have no effect and it will be only a small proportion if that happens.
Over Dosage
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OVERDOSAGE
Peak blood levels following a 60 g application to 400 cm2 of
intact skin for 3 hours are 0.05 to 0.16 μg/mL for lidocaine
and 0.02 to 0.10 μg/mL for prilocaine. Toxic levels of
lidocaine (>5 μg/mL) and/or prilocaine (>6 μg/mL) cause
decreases in cardiac output, total peripheral resistance and
mean arterial pressure. These changes may be attributable to
direct depressant effects of these local anesthetic agents on the
cardiovascular system. In the absence of massive topical
overdose or oral ingestion, evaluation should include
evaluation of other etiologies for the clinical effects or
overdosage from other sources of lidocaine, prilocaine or
other local anesthetics. Consult the package inserts for
parenteral Xylocaine (lidocaine HCl) or Citanest (prilocaine
HCl) for further information for the management of overdose |
The overdose dosage for emla is 60 gm. So i doubt someone will die from a little bit going into the skin from a 2.5 or 5 gm dosage. if people are concern wipe the skin quickly with a wipe. |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:25 am |
KAY this is to show you you can Use 2 grams over a large area and a tube can last you two sessions
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Adult Patients – Intact Skin
A thick layer of EMLA Cream is applied to intact skin and
covered with an occlusive dressing.
Minor Dermal Procedures: For minor procedures such as
intravenous cannulation and venipuncture, apply 2.5 grams of
EMLA Cream (1/2 the 5 g tube) over 20 to 25 cm2 of skin
surface for at least 1 hour. In controlled clinical trials using
EMLA Cream, two sites were usually prepared in case there
was a technical problem with cannulation or venipuncture at
the first site.
Major Dermal Procedures: For more painful
dermatological procedures involving a larger skin area such as
split thickness skin graft harvesting, apply 2 grams of EMLA
Cream per 10 cm2 of skin and allow to remain in contact with
the skin for at least 2 hours. |
AND REMEMBER IF YOU DON'T WRAP IT UP TIGHT AND IT DRIES UP, IT WON'T WORK!!! |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:29 am |
--So i doubt someone will die from a little bit going into the skin from a 2.5 or 5 gm
I also doubt that but its quite irrelevant what you or I think because what about if we are mistaken?
the problem with all your data is that these levels were measured when Emla was applied on an INTACT skin. Skin is an extremely good barrier and almost nothing gets throught it. Very little is absorbed throught an intact skin.
But when you ROLL lidocain/prilocain into your skin the levels are incomparably higher so I just want people to be aware of it. There is no data available about how much lidocain is absorbed when the skin is not intact or when it is rolled in.
if you put 2.5g on 5cm square of intact skin or if you put 2.5g all over your abdomen and roll it in, it is not the same- concerning your blood levels! that's all.
Half time means that the levels will be decrease by half. Lidocain/prilocain blood levels will be decreased by half in about 1.5- 2 hours.
Btw they say "Dose-response studies show that the minimum effective dose is 1g per 10 cm2"
do you think from your experience that it is true?
(sorry about my English , I am not a native speaker) |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:38 pm |
| Well let's agree to disagree didn't come here to argue came to sort out my stretch marks |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:54 pm |
ok!
I have a question.
My skin came to normal color it is not red anymore, but my SM's are.They are soooooooo red..and the skin on them starts to peel of,and is very dry... Is that normal? |
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Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:55 am |
Yes it is normal... my skin peeled on my face when i did a intensive roll. Just make sure you apply your vitamin a / c cream cause your skin needs optimum healing.
And my skin is itching too where I rolled, just a sign on the skin repairing... It is still very red. I hope it some of it is pigment. |
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