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Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:10 am  |
I want to try GHK copper peptides with my LED. I would like opinions on which product you think would be more effective if used prior to treatments or if you see any ingredient which would prevent the LED from doing its thing.
PSF Bio-Copper Serum
Aqua (Distilled Water), BioGen-Cu™ (Copper Peptides), Propylene Glycol, Sodium PCA, B-Glucaderm™ (Beta Glucan), Phenoxyethanol, Inositol, Hydroxyethylcellulose
Skin Biology Super GHK-Copper Serum
Purified water, aloe barbadensis leaf juice (aloe vera) gel, hydroxyethylcellulose, glycerin, Copper Tripeptide-1 (GHK-Cu), polysorbate 20, allantoin, propylene glycol (and) diazolidinyl urea (and) methylparaben (and) propylparaben, tocophersolan (Vitamin E), glycine, fragrance
The other alternative is to purchase copper peptides from skinactives and make my own serum, although I'm not sure from the description that's its pure CPs either. |
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Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:09 pm |
| Hi Skippie - I use skinbiology's copper peptide serum with LED's and have had no problems. Again, it helps somewhat with the neck but is not a cure all. A couple years back bought skinactive's copper peptides and did not have any success with them. DiPhx |
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Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:52 pm |
| Thanks, DiPhx. It's very helpful to know that you didn't have any luck with the skinactives CPs. I like the idea of using PSF's, because someone (doodlebug, I think) said it contains a higher percentage of CPs than Skin Biology. |
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Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:51 am |
Skippie, I use the Skin Biology Super Cop serum with LED's...no problems at all. I apply my green tea before my LED treatment and the CP's afterwards.
HTH
rebecca |
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Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:59 am |
| Thanks, Rebecca. I need to find the study that was done on LEDs and GHK CPs, but I thought the CPs were applied prior to treatment. |
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Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:35 am |
| Skippie wrote: |
| Thanks, Rebecca. I need to find the study that was done on LEDs and GHK CPs, but I thought the CPs were applied prior to treatment. |
Hi skippie; this might be the study you are looking for:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17603859
The authors state that Light-emitting diode photoirradiation (LED-PI) and copper-glycyl-L-histidyl-L-lysine complex (Cu-GHK) treatment may be useful in accelerating the rate of wound healing. Red LED (625-635 nm) was used as a light source for LED-PI.
Conclusion: Light-emitting diode photoirradiation (LED-PI) maintained human fibroblast viability and increased collagen synthesis when applied by itself. In the combinative stimulation for in vitro collagen production (when LED-PI was followed by Cu-GHK-supplied incubation), stimulated cells showed increased bFGF secretion, P1CP production, and COL1 expression, compared to the LED-PI treatment alone.
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Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:26 pm |
| Skippie wrote: |
| Thanks, Rebecca. I need to find the study that was done on LEDs and GHK CPs, but I thought the CPs were applied prior to treatment. |
Yes...I knew this, but as I had jumped straight into using Super CP serum ( I didn't work my way up) I was concerned that using the LED after might cause irritation or something...I guess, I could think about changing this now as I have been using them more than 8 weeks??
rebecca |
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Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:16 am |
I'm not sure why but the second article keeps giving me a cookie error message which is crazy because my browsers are all set to accept cookies.
I've ordered the PSF product and will try it out with the LED. |
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:32 am |
Skippie - is there any specific reason you ordered the PSF copper peptides instead of the skinbiology's?? Did you fina an article that showed PSF had a higher concentration of copper
etc?? thx DiPhx |
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:13 am |
Two reasons, DiPhx:
1) It's cheaper per ounce than Skin Biology's - especially when I factored in the 15% discount I receive from EDS.
2) I found a discussion on EDS where doodlebug said that PSF contains 2% GHK-Cu and SkinBiology only uses 1%. |
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:33 pm |
Thx Skippie - will have to do a little research.
Have been using the skinbiology copper peptides and purchasing the 4oz container. Those have lasted for over a year and skinbiology said they work best when used every other night instead of every night but thank for the info - DiPhx |
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:22 pm |
DiPhx,
I think you may be using the second generation of CPs, whereas I'm using the first generation. |
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:38 pm |
| Skippie - that must be the difference - thx for pointing that out! DiPhx |
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Tue May 11, 2010 4:40 pm |
I'm not sure I'm understanding the info in this thread.
I usually use green tea serum prior to doing LED treatment. I also use copper peptides (Skin Signals), but not as part of the LED treatment.
Can you use CPs prior to LED treatment? Does it give a better result if putting it on prior to an LED treatment? Would you apply it before or after applying the green tea serum?
TIA! |
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Tue May 11, 2010 4:58 pm |
| You can apply CP's before doing the LED treatment - I'd use the CP's alone - You will not want to change the reaction of the product by combining. |
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