WRINKLES, LINES AND SAGGY SKIN
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free skin care · Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:46 am

Oh No please please read on. i know ive been here before (like an old record) Crying or Very sad

i just got in such a mess and bogged down and cofused Embarassed

so thought maybe to start again would be easier

i am 36 and have just stopped smoking Very Happy

unfortunately my skin is aged and sun damaged. i have a lot of fine lines directly under my eye and this area is very saggy too. i also have crows feet and fine lines around my mouth. my eyelids , i have noticed recently, are showing signs of slight droopiness. i also have two small lines between my eyebrows - quite a mess hey Crying or Very sad

at the moment all i am using is the Esthers secret masque and serum as recommended by Judy. please could anyone help me in choosing some other products that can diminish the lines i have (especially my under eye problems) and to prevent more lines appearing. i really do need a complete skincare regime.

i am soooooo so sorry to keep harpering on to you guys - you must be well and truely fed up with me Crying or Very sad

. im just so desperate for some help.

many many thanks

sally
x

free skin care · Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:33 pm

Hi Sally,

First of all congrats. on stop smoking!!!! Are you using a Vit. C serum??? It will take time to see the results of all the good things you are doing for yourself.

Right now the biggest suggestion I could give you would to be to eat right. Have lots of veggies, fruit, lean meats, nuts (almonds), soy products, lots of water, some exercise and a good nights sleep.

I am using AlphaDerma CE for firming as it has several firming ingredients. The Argireline is a plus but I like the firming qualities of the product. Again, I still think that the bold suggestions are the most important for you right now.

Be patient with yourself. You have stopped smoking and that is more important then any skincare product in how you will look down the road.

free skin care · Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:45 pm

Sally....

I know that you used Esthers Secret system for a couple of months, then stopped and have now started up again. Like Winnie, I'd encourage you to be patient, but also be consistent with whatever routine you are using and use it consistently for 90 days without stopping.

I do hope and believe that you'll get some great suggestions for moisturizers, night creams, etc. Even though I use recommend using the Esther's Secret serum morning and night, it sounds like your skin at this point could use a really good moisturizer and night cream to use after the serum.

Smoking for years will have dehydrated your skin significantly and it will take time to repair that damage, but you certainly can make improvements.

The important things is not to lose any more time and get really consistent with a good program.

Since Mabsy's back, I know she will be able to recommend some really good Vit. C and moisturizers, etc. So, just look forward to great recommendations!

I'd also suggest that when you get started with a really good routine, that you take a before picture without makeup and then take another 30 days later, 60 and 90. Sometimes it's very difficult for us to see the improvement with the naked eye, but seeing it in a picture or on the computer screen can often show us improvements we didn't see.

JUDY

free skin care · Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:06 pm

Hey Salster, don't be so hard on yourself. Like Winnie said, quitting smoking is wonderful...we are all so proud of you.

Remember, it took a lot of time to make your skin so needy so it'll probably take a while to rejuvenate it but that's the great thing about skin...it does rejuvenate. Very Happy

It seems that you probably should also use an exfoliant pretty regularly. I am no expert on exfoliants but certainly someone here can make some recommendations. That will help you slough off the old making way for new healthier skin cells. Eating healthy, exercising and drinking lots of water will be good for your whole body as well as your face. Don't get discouraged...you're doing great things for yourself. Try to be patient. We're all cheering for you.

Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:54 am

Ah, here we are. I just replied to your earlier post about this (I've locked it now so we don't have replies distributed all over the place).

Um yeah... where was I. Oh yes - vitamin C serum. Although reading through this thread I see that Winnie has beat me to it and Judy has predicted it as well! Laughing

I was also going to mention the importance of exfoliation, but that's been done too! Laughing

Seriously though, what type of skin do you have? Dry, normal, oily? Sensitive? Once we know that we can all recommend something specific for you.

free skin care · Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:25 am

Hi

thanks to you all for your replys. i guess i now need to choose a good vit c for my face and eyes (help please. i would say my skin tends to get dehydrated especially around the eye area. it can tend to go on the dry side too (again the eye area, my cheeks and chin). i dont have sensitive skin.

my main concern is my eye area - droopy eyelids are starting to form, the area under my eye is quite baggy and saggy now (i really would like to firm this up) and also has creepy lines under the eye and at the corner. i think i am in need of desperate help. i am still using the esthers masque and serum but if anyone can suggest which vit c to buy and also something to help reduce the saggy baggy eyes

many thanks again to you all
Sally
xxx

ps i am still a non smoker yipeeeeee

Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:12 am

Sally - my favorite vit C serum is the Vivier one. It seems to be more stable than Skinceuticals and Cellex-C and also not as drying - it doesn't leave my face feeling tight when I use it. My mum has dry skin and uses this as well. In terms of the eye area - I'm not sure of a product that takes care of all of your concerns. My mum doesn't have droopy eyelids but she did have a problem with puffiness and bags under the eyes. She's been using Okusil for I guess about two months now and the area is much improved!

The creepy lines around the eye area could actually be dehydration lines (as opposed to permanent wrinkles). Are you drinking enough water and is your eye cream rich enough? I'm a big fan of Cellcosmet Eye Contour Cream - it's very light and won't cause puffiness and should plump out any dehydration lines. It also can be used all over the lid area and people have reported good results with reduction of puffiness of the lids as well as reduction of lines around the eye area.

HTH
Mabsy

free skin care · Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:50 am

Hi Mabsy

ok i think i should try the Vivier vit c Serum - is this for the whole of the face.

im a bit confused as what else i should use as well as the esthers secret serum. i need to improve the following:-

1. increase firmness and elasticity - the whole of my face/eyes/neck need help with this
2. reduce creey lines under eyes, frim and tone up the eyes too - eyes appear to be baggy and saggy above and below too
3. reduce wrinkles especially around eyes
4. also improve frown lines

what else can i order besides the vivier vit c serum ie. good eyecream and facecream help with the above problems.

i am also looking at taking collagen tablets with HA in them as on a link Eureka ive found the best lip plum under the products forum as told to me by Judy.

Look forward to hearing from you

kindest regards

Sally
xxx

vit c serum face

Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:53 am

Hi Sally,

Vivier does make a seperate serum for the eye area. Whether you need it or whether you can use the face one around the eye area really depends on your skin. Generally people start out with a lower concentration for the face (around 10%) and even lower for the eye area (around 5% or so). However, if your skin is not too sensitive then 10% around the eye area might be fine as well.

In terms of eye creams I would recommend the Murad Essential-C SPF15 eye cream for day time use. I am also a big fan of Babor Sensational Eyes (although I don't know how well it does with wrinkles) and Cellcosmet Eye Contour Cream. The latter is more expensive but it comes in 30mL instead of 15ml and has been reported to work quite well on plumping up lines.

I think vitamin C and argireline are both good choices but you also need an SPF for daytime. So I would suggest that you either get a moisturiser with SPF or a good sunblock. I'm quite attached to my Skinceuticals sunblock but there are heaps of choices around - just make sure it's broad spectrum!

HTH
Mabsy

free skin care · Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:48 am

Hi Mabsy

you reccommended the vivier c vit. is this the one thats on this site.

thanks

sally

free skin care · Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:55 pm

Hi Sally,
I'm not Mabsy but I do know that the Vivier C serum is available on this site! Smile

Take care,
Annie

Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:31 am

Indeed - the second one on this list http://www.essentialdayspa.com/vivier-vitamin-c.htm

Some other brands also make eye serums (e.g. Cellex-C and I think Skinecuticals also). Vivier is just my personal fave because of the texture and also stability.

free skin care · Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:13 am

Hi

thank you all for your replies. i have found the vit c eye serum Mabsy. what percentage is this? i am going to order this today and would also like to order a face vit c serum - which one should i go for? i dont seem to have sensitve skin

Vivier Kine-C Dual Action Skin Firming Serum (Vitamin-C 10% + Kinetin) (30 ml / 1 oz.) £33.15 GBP

Vivier Vitamin-C IDS™ High Potency Serum 10 (30 ml) £30.94 GBP or should i go for the 20%

or one of the other

thanks

Sally x

free skin care · Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:32 am

Sally,

You should always start with the lowest percent Vit. C. 10% is the way to go.

free skin care · Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:37 am

Thanks Winnie

is the eye serum 10 or 5%

also which one should i go for for the face:-
Vivier Kine-C Dual Action Skin Firming Serum (Vitamin-C 10% + Kinetin) (30 ml / 1 oz.) £33.15 GBP

Vivier Vitamin-C IDS™ High Potency Serum 10 (30 ml) £30.94 GBP or should i go for the 20%

free skin care · Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:37 am

Sally,

You should use the 10% on your face. If this line has a vit. C for the eye area it most likely is 5%. 10% for the eye area is too strong (especially starting out). If you feel uncomfortable placing an on line order, you can call EDS and they will help you over the phone.

free skin care · Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:02 am

thanks Winnie.

i am going to place an order for the vit eye cream and face cream at 10% just not sure which is the best for me out of the following two:-

Vivier Kine-C Dual Action Skin Firming Serum (Vitamin-C 10% + Kinetin) (30 ml / 1 oz.) £33.15 GBP

Vivier Vitamin-C IDS™ High Potency Serum 10 (30 ml) £30.94 GBP

Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:37 pm

Yeah, I think the eye serum is a 5% in the Vivier range.

Of the two serums that you listed above I would probably go with the one that has the added Kinetin (which is supposed to be really good for the skin). It still has a 10% vit C concentration, the price is quite close but it has added goodness Smile

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