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Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:34 am  |
Crikey, you lot have been busy during my GMT night time!
It's always healthy to have warning stories in topics that involve puncturing the skin. Sometimes it's only the horror stories that make people stop and take notice. In all the threads I've read, I did only seen 2 stories from our own members that roll but they were enough to make me stop in my tracks.
But let's be clear on this; professionals never sterilise derma rollers because they never re-use them (I did know this, was previously bringing up the point). So there is no 'professional' protocol on this. Products that they do sterlise, it is a necessity as they are used on many people.
So can I assume my Miltons sterilizing fluid is strong enough to kill my own germs as it says "kills MRSA in 15 mins" ? The active ingredient is sodium hypochlorite. Oh no! just read the really small print and it says keep away from metals  Oops. Ok that's off the menu. No one use Miltons!
So I can use my heavy-duty hand sanitizer that kills MRSA, MSSA, Salmonella, E.Coli and strep as it says on the label (my mum is a nurse and she gave me this but it doesn't give an alcohol %). But how do I know this is going to be ok for use with metals?
It's going to be a fine line between keeping our rollers clean and not damaging them.
Are there any long-term rollers (2yrs+) out there to tell us what they do? |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:02 am |
I'm a long term roller - I used to use Polident but now I use Isocol Rubbing Alcohol. I also wipe my face with ACV and water beforehand, whether this helps to kill bacteria, I'm not sure.
But just to put things into perspective - did you know that you can contract Meningitis from picking at your pimples. The infection can turn inwards and end up in the brain!! Now I'm sure we've all picked at our pimples and never given that a thought. Just pointing out that just about everything we do is fraught with some sort of danger! |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:48 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
| jjbeacham wrote: |
| Keliu, that does mean 64%. There are 1000 ml's in a liter. ~ JJ |
Well 6% less won't make much difference will it? I don't want to start getting too paranoid here. |
I personally wouldn't worry about a 6% difference, knowing it's you and knowing you're on top of it. I think DM is afraid new people may start rolling who aren't aware of how important it is to keep the roller clean. Or that some who are currently rolling are doing so, as she said, with just hot water as a cleaner. ~ JJ |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:59 am |
| This is Miranda wrote: |
Crikey, you lot have been busy during my GMT night time!
It's always healthy to have warning stories in topics that involve puncturing the skin. Sometimes it's only the horror stories that make people stop and take notice. In all the threads I've read, I did only seen 2 stories from our own members that roll but they were enough to make me stop in my tracks.
But let's be clear on this; professionals never sterilise derma rollers because they never re-use them (I did know this, was previously bringing up the point). So there is no 'professional' protocol on this. Products that they do sterlise, it is a necessity as they are used on many people.
So can I assume my Miltons sterilizing fluid is strong enough to kill my own germs as it says "kills MRSA in 15 mins" ? The active ingredient is sodium hypochlorite. Oh no! just read the really small print and it says keep away from metals Oops. Ok that's off the menu. No one use Miltons!
So I can use my heavy-duty hand sanitizer that kills MRSA, MSSA, Salmonella, E.Coli and strep as it says on the label (my mum is a nurse and she gave me this but it doesn't give an alcohol %). But how do I know this is going to be ok for use with metals?
It's going to be a fine line between keeping our rollers clean and not damaging them.
Are there any long-term rollers (2yrs+) out there to tell us what they do? |
Miranda, did you say Crikey?  You crack me up when you do that.
Okay, your hand sanitizer is probably fine, and so is 70%+ alcohol, or the sterilizer solution they use at the hairdresser's that we've all seen. I do plan to buy some of that Barbicide liquid because then that is one less thing I have to be at all concerned about. However, I don't feel that I am in immediate danger if I roll before I'm able to get any.
There are some 2+ years rollers on the forum. Keliu is a long-term roller, and I believe Toby and some others have been rolling that long. This is basically just a reality check to be sure everyone is doing their best to keep their roller(s) as clean/disinfected/sterile as possible. I do think it's important; and I think it's more important if you roll with the longer needles. But I don't think anyone needs to get paranoid about it. |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:18 am |
I hear you JJ.
I'll post a link over to the Dermaroll and Dermarolling for Stretchmarks threads as these primarily deal with people using longer rollers. This whole subject is worth those there reading. |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:33 am |
Hi everyone,
I'm going to try the surgical spirit, - does anyone know if this has to be diluted ?
thanks
Jackie xx |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:45 am |
| Jackie284 wrote: |
Hi everyone,
I'm going to try the surgical spirit, - does anyone know if this has to be diluted ?
thanks
Jackie xx |
Hi, Jackie! To the best of my knowledge, you do not dilute it. ~ JJ |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:49 am |
This is from the Owndoc website:
How to clean a dermaroller
Dermarollers should be cleaned and sterilized by gently immersing the roller head into a cup of preferably alcohol-based cleaning solution, ensuring that the roller head is completely covered in the liquid. After a minimum of 10 minutes, discard the used cleaning solution and rinse the roller head with water before applying it to the skin. Rinse the roller head before and after each use with hot water. Always make sure not to bend the needles.
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You must disinfect your skin and your dermaroller every time you roll. Buy an alcohol-based disinfectant in the pharmacy for immediate skin disinfection. It is usually a mixture with around 50 to 75% Ethanol, sometimes with other alcohols.
So the Isocol falls into those parameters. And yes, I use the solution undiluted. |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:18 am |
thanks guys!
would using an alcohol based disinfectant really dry the skin out? also, is it beter to do this before or after a roll ?
Jackie xx |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:52 am |
| I think vodka would work. I'd try it. I don't like using alcohol on my face. It's too drying. I guess if I HAVE to I will. It's better than getting MRSA. |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:04 am |
Vodka isn't high enough in alcohol % content for proper disinfection - however it would certainly be better than nothing.  |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:23 pm |
| Tonia wrote: |
| I think vodka would work. I'd try it. I don't like using alcohol on my face. It's too drying. I guess if I HAVE to I will. It's better than getting MRSA. |
Tonia, when I did glycolic peels, I used a pad with alcohol on it to "de-fat" the skin before applying the acid. It never made my skin dry although that was just done once a week. As far as the rollers go, after letting it sit, I do hold it under hot running water and let it airdry before putting back in the case. So you won't get alcohol from the roller, just a bit on a cotton square wiped across the face. ~ JJ |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:24 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| Vodka isn't high enough in alcohol % content for proper disinfection - however it would certainly be better than nothing. |
Sis, I always get confused about actual alcohol content in liquor. If it's 80 proof, doesn't that mean it's 40% alcohol? Just curious! ~ JJ |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:13 pm |
As I said in my previous post, I use Apple Cider Vinegar and water on my face before I roll and wasn't sure if this was really effective as a germ killer. However, I just Googled it and apparently, vinegar is just as effective as an anti-viral solution as anything you can buy in the pharmacy. And, of course, vinegar is used to preserve food.
In addition to its anti-viral properties, ACV is also very beneficial for the skin - so I'm going to keep using that. |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:31 pm |
Oh, I'm sorry. I missed Sis's post about the vodka.
When I mentioned not wanting to apply alcohol to my skin, I was referring to cleaning the skin with alcohol before rolling. I'm afraid I'll look like a lizard if I do that. I would probably only use alcohol to cleanse my skin before the longer needles anyway. Maybe it won't be so bad. I'll try it next time.
| jjbeacham wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| Vodka isn't high enough in alcohol % content for proper disinfection - however it would certainly be better than nothing. |
Sis, I always get confused about actual alcohol content in liquor. If it's 80 proof, doesn't that mean it's 40% alcohol? Just curious! ~ JJ |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:13 pm |
Yes jj 40% alcohol in an 80 proof vodka. I'd just go get a bottle of plain old isopropyl with a higher alcohol % and save the vodka for something better 
I would not put alcohol directly on my skin . The ACV sounds good though - many people use this anyway in their skincare regime.
What was Alien's friend with MRSA infection doing as a disinfection technique? Do we know? |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:40 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Yes jj 40% alcohol in an 80 proof vodka. I'd just go get a bottle of plain old isopropyl with a higher alcohol % and save the vodka for something better
I would not put alcohol directly on my skin . The ACV sounds good though - many people use this anyway in their skincare regime.
What was Alien's friend with MRSA infection doing as a disinfection technique? Do we know? |
I have my DIY ACV toner which would work, wouldn't it? That does sound preferable to alcohol on the face.
Sis, it wasn't a friend of Alien's, it was someone on the SkinBiology forum. She was cleaning her roller with hydrogen peroxide. ~ JJ
ETA: There are better things to do w/vodka,IMO.  |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:47 pm |
You might want to reread this specific part of a post earlier about what sanitizes especially how long alcohol is required on the skin to kill BACTERIA and it's effectiveness on other microbes
Also, isopropyl alcohol requires about 10 minutes on the skin's surface to kill bacteria, and about 3 minutes on hard surfaces. The main purpose when they use alcohol on the skin before an injection, ect. is to clean and remove oil from the skin.
Rubbing alcohol as an antiseptic
Rubbing alcohol is usually isopropyl alcohol not ethyl alcohol. Drinking alcohol is usually ethyl alcohol. Rubbing alcohol is not a good antiseptic because it contains only 40% alcohol. To be a good antiseptic isopropyl alcohol must contain at least 70% alcohol. Seventy percent Isopropyl or ethyl alcohol will kill bacteria, virus and fungus in 15 to 30 seconds.
Please visit Wikipedia "alcohol rubs" or "hand antiseptic" for an extensive discussion on the antiseptic (germ killing) properties of ethyl and isopropyl alcohols.
Sanitizer - 99% Effective
Alcohol Based Germ Fighting Action As Recommended by the CDC. |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:51 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
You might want to reread this specific part of a post earlier about what sanitizes especially how long alcohol is required on the skin to kill BACTERIA and it's effectiveness on other microbes
Also, isopropyl alcohol requires about 10 minutes on the skin's surface to kill bacteria, and about 3 minutes on hard surfaces. The main purpose when they use alcohol on the skin before an injection, ect. is to clean and remove oil from the skin.
Rubbing alcohol as an antiseptic
Rubbing alcohol is usually isopropyl alcohol not ethyl alcohol. Drinking alcohol is usually ethyl alcohol. Rubbing alcohol is not a good antiseptic because it contains only 40% alcohol. To be a good antiseptic isopropyl alcohol must contain at least 70% alcohol. Seventy percent Isopropyl or ethyl alcohol will kill bacteria, virus and fungus in 15 to 30 seconds.
Please visit Wikipedia "alcohol rubs" or "hand antiseptic" for an extensive discussion on the antiseptic (germ killing) properties of ethyl and isopropyl alcohols.
Sanitizer - 99% Effective
Alcohol Based Germ Fighting Action As Recommended by the CDC. |
DM, when I used alcohol prior to my glycolic peels, it was to de-fat and remove all oils from the skin. But I certainly don't want to leave it on there for ten minutes. What do you think about ACV? I don't mean for cleaning the roller, I mean after washing the face, to add an extra level of cleanliness before rolling. |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:53 pm |
| Okay, I just looked at my alcohol, and it is 70%. But I still don't want to leave it on my face for 10 minutes, although I could saturate a cotton pad with it, wipe the face and wait 10 minutes to roll, couldn't I? ~ JJ |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:36 pm |
| jjbeacham wrote: |
| Okay, I just looked at my alcohol, and it is 70%. But I still don't want to leave it on my face for 10 minutes, although I could saturate a cotton pad with it, wipe the face and wait 10 minutes to roll, couldn't I? ~ JJ |
Here's some info on the germ killing qualities of vinegar:
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/vinegar-kills-bacteria-mold-germs.html#
JJ, I'm sure you will be fine just using the vinegar as a facial swab/toner before you roll. I don't think there's any need to go over the top with all this - next we'll be buying green sterile cloths and swathing ourselves in those!
Don't forget that anything you apply to your skin will penetrate it when you roll. I don't think I'd want alcohol penetrating my skin. Now penetrating my stomach via the throat, well that's a different matter entirely! |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:52 pm |
I've wiped my face with the 70% isopropyl alcohol prior to a roll. It really stings! It hurts more than the roll with a .5 roller. And I don't have particularly sensitive skin.
I'll be interested in hearing the experiences of others with isopropyl. I'd love to find an alternative, but want to be safe. |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:15 pm |
| ShastaGirl wrote: |
| I'd love to find an alternative, but want to be safe. |
Did you see my post above about using Apple Cider Vinegar and water? |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:29 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| jjbeacham wrote: |
| Okay, I just looked at my alcohol, and it is 70%. But I still don't want to leave it on my face for 10 minutes, although I could saturate a cotton pad with it, wipe the face and wait 10 minutes to roll, couldn't I? ~ JJ |
Here's some info on the germ killing qualities of vinegar:
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/vinegar-kills-bacteria-mold-germs.html#
JJ, I'm sure you will be fine just using the vinegar as a facial swab/toner before you roll. I don't think there's any need to go over the top with all this - next we'll be buying green sterile cloths and swathing ourselves in those!
Don't forget that anything you apply to your skin will penetrate it when you roll. I don't think I'd want alcohol penetrating my skin. Now penetrating my stomach via the throat, well that's a different matter entirely! |
Thanks, Keliu. I love ACV, drink it daily, trust it and believe in it. I'll go with that. Yes, I'm with you, any alcohol near this bod will be headed down the throat, not on the face. ~ JJ
ETA: Great link! Thanks! |
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Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:42 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| ShastaGirl wrote: |
| I'd love to find an alternative, but want to be safe. |
Did you see my post above about using Apple Cider Vinegar and water? |
Hi Keliu - thanks, I did see your post and I see the ACV is anti-bacterial, but does it tackle MRSA also? I know MRSA is considered a staph infection.
I've not looked extensively, but did see the following on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinegar regarding vinegar and infections:
"While vinegar can be an effective antibacterial cleaning agent on hard surfaces such as washroom tiles and countertops,[24] studies show that vinegar – whether taken internally or applied topically – is not effective against infections, lice,[25] or fungus.[26]" |
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