does the sun or the movement cause more wrinkles?
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free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:01 am

i never put sunscreen on the back of my neck, and since i tie up my hair most of the time, it is the place I get direct sunshine most time.

I put sunscreen on the front of my neck everyday, and i take good care of it, i use VC, tretinoin, and other anti-age cream on it.

but the result so far is no wrinkle on my back neck and the skin is pretty nice there, and my front neck, well, not bad, but difinitely has several lines on it.

I guess this is same to lots of people.

I am always told the sun causes most damage on the skin, but maybe it is not that bad? it is actually the facial movement that matters the most?

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:08 am

That's not true for me, hellen. I have short hair and work outside in my yard alot, and my neck looks so, so bad. My face looks great in comparison. The left side of my neck looks pretty bad too, and I think that's because it gets the most sun when I drive. I think age is a factor. I'm 49 so I'm probably more sun-damaged than younger people.

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:13 am

Skippie wrote:

That's not true for me, hellen. I have short hair and work outside in my yard alot, and my neck looks so, so bad. My face looks great in comparison. The left side of my neck looks pretty bad too, and I think that's because it gets the most sun when I drive. I think age is a factor. I'm 49 so I'm probably more sun-damaged than younger people.

that makes me think do i need to begin to put sunblock on my back neck too....

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:20 am

hellenzqq wrote:

Skippie wrote:

That's not true for me, hellen. I have short hair and work outside in my yard alot, and my neck looks so, so bad. My face looks great in comparison. The left side of my neck looks pretty bad too, and I think that's because it gets the most sun when I drive. I think age is a factor. I'm 49 so I'm probably more sun-damaged than younger people.

that makes me think do i need to begin to put sunblock on my back neck too....

I think that's a definite yes, much better safe than sorry! Especially if your hair is up most if the time!

DM Smile

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:05 am

hellenzqq wrote:

Skippie wrote:

That's not true for me, hellen. I have short hair and work outside in my yard alot, and my neck looks so, so bad. My face looks great in comparison. The left side of my neck looks pretty bad too, and I think that's because it gets the most sun when I drive. I think age is a factor. I'm 49 so I'm probably more sun-damaged than younger people.

that makes me think do i need to begin to put sunblock on my back neck too....

Yes, please do, hellen. I wish someone had told me to do so when I was younger. I now put on sunscreen, tie a bandana around my neck and wear a hat when I'm working outside.

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:56 pm

If not wrinkles, then it could definitely lead to agespots!

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:07 pm

It's best to use the sunscreen now otherwise the sun damage will show up when your older even though you don't notice it now.

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:26 pm

I would say the sun. I use a good sunblock daily, even on the back of my neck. Very Happy

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:03 pm

i had the understanding that sun damage shows up years later. Shock

my mother gardens outside, during the whole spring to autumn. she has been using a sunscreen 60 or so... but i have noticed in the last couple of years she is getting sunspot damage on her face. she went to the dermatologist to have it taken care of, etc...
but now i'm really concerned. i think for this summer i'll get her a total sunblock that she can slather all over her.... face, neck, hands, etc.

hellenzqq ... me thinks it would be best for all of us to sunscreen/sunblock everything. what a pain and mess... but i guess it will be worth it in the long run.

also there was a recent report on the news about the usage of sunscreen. its reported that most of us use too little of the sunscreen for it to be effective. i forgot the exact details... but something about, you need to use alot, alot of product for the sunscreen to work. and then you must reapply.
HTH

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:42 pm

thanks a lot for the info!! i will pay more attention for sure

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:18 pm

llina wrote:

also there was a recent report on the news about the usage of sunscreen. its reported that most of us use too little of the sunscreen for it to be effective. i forgot the exact details... but something about, you need to use alot, alot of product for the sunscreen to work. and then you must reapply.
HTH

1 shot glass of sunscreen for your body, 1/4 tsp sunscreen for your face.

Most definitely, hellenzqq, if you have your hair tied up and it gets a lot of sun, use the sunscreen on the back of your neck. You won't see the damage from the sun for years. It is much easier to prevent damage than it is to try to fix it!!

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:20 pm

Yep I have the sundamage on my forearms to prove it from gardening up north and just driving or riding as a passenger in the car down here in Florida! It's really amazing how much damage shows up later!

DM

rileygirl wrote:

llina wrote:

also there was a recent report on the news about the usage of sunscreen. its reported that most of us use too little of the sunscreen for it to be effective. i forgot the exact details... but something about, you need to use alot, alot of product for the sunscreen to work. and then you must reapply.
HTH

1 shot glass of sunscreen for your body, 1/4 tsp sunscreen for your face.

Most definitely, hellenzqq, if you have your hair tied up and it gets a lot of sun, use the sunscreen on the back of your neck. You won't see the damage from the sun for years. It is much easier to prevent damage than it is to try to fix it!!

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:44 pm

rileygirl wrote:

llina wrote:

also there was a recent report on the news about the usage of sunscreen. its reported that most of us use too little of the sunscreen for it to be effective. i forgot the exact details... but something about, you need to use alot, alot of product for the sunscreen to work. and then you must reapply.
HTH

1 shot glass of sunscreen for your body, 1/4 tsp sunscreen for your face.

Most definitely, hellenzqq, if you have your hair tied up and it gets a lot of sun, use the sunscreen on the back of your neck. You won't see the damage from the sun for years. It is much easier to prevent damage than it is to try to fix it!!

a shot glass and 1/4 tsp? hmm

m i thought it was more than that. i think i've been over doing it.

i think this year, i'm going to change mine and my mother's sunscreen to total sunblock. the sizing of amounts and reapplication... is becoming more complicated. does anyone else have this problem?

free skin care · Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:28 pm

llina,

From reading all the threads it seems it's hard to even find the best sunscreen and one that works under makeup is really a chore! Smile

DM

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:23 am

That's true. You'd better put sunscreen everyday.

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:01 am

DarkMoon wrote:

llina,

From reading all the threads it seems it's hard to even find the best sunscreen and one that works under makeup is really a chore! Smile

DM

thanks angel,
gosh, i haven't even gotten to those thread yet.
also, a sales rep told me that a certain company has uvb and uva, those that are responsible for aging and skin damage, filters in all their creams/moisturizers. does this seem feasible? i'm so used to thick mucky sunscreens that its hard to believe that their light facial moisturizers would have this filter. TIA!

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:55 am

the sun is very damaging to skin, just stay out of it....sunscreens do not always work well, they must be applied every 2 hrs and some of the ingredients in them are not good for you.Like drugs.....say NO to the sun! Taking lycopene will protect your skin against the sun to some degree and spinach is really good for preventing wrinkles.I make every attempt to stay out of the sun...doing yard work before the sun comes up.....I have a shade on the drivers side of the car too.The sun will age you faster than drinking or smoking.

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:17 am

I wanted to mention a product I bought last year to add to my laundry. It's called SunGuard and by adding SunGuard to your laundry, it gives your clothes a UPF protection of 30, for up to 20 washings. It's safe for washable fabrics such as cotton, linen, rayon and silk.

http://www.sunguardsunprotection.com/home.1.lasso

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:22 am

Skippie wrote:

I wanted to mention a product I bought last year to add to my laundry. It's called SunGuard and by adding SunGuard to your laundry, it gives your clothes a UPF protection of 30, for up to 20 washings. It's safe for washable fabrics such as cotton, linen, rayon and silk.

http://www.sunguardsunprotection.com/home.1.lasso

Thanks Skippie,

That is a great find, especially with all the sun down here! Smile

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:02 am

While excessive repetitive movement does cause wrinkling of the skin, it is most definitely my belief the sun and external environmental factors that are the sole culprit for developing these wrinkles as we age...

If we did not have these external factors, our skin would remain soft, supple, undamaged and stocked full of collagen and the like thus making the repetitive movement not such a negative force, our skin will merely pop back in to place....repetitive movement of the same skin area damaged by the sun and other factors becomes wrinkled due to our skin being less flexible and decreased collagen etc...

So logically between movement and sun, the sun is definitely the one holding the gun pulling the trigger...the movement is merely the bullet Laughing

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:55 am

i think the facial movements matter the most,my eyes have some wrinkles because of that.

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:24 am

luyan wrote:

i think the facial movements matter the most,my eyes have some wrinkles because of that.

Your skin is wrinkling from the movement due to sun/environmental damage...not because you are merely moving it. So sun protection is what matters most to keep your skin from getting damage in the first place...

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:47 am

luyan wrote:

i think the facial movements matter the most,my eyes have some wrinkles because of that.

movement, like stress ... when you frown, concentrate and tense up your eyebrows... and squint when puzzled.

yes, i have a very expressive face, and have noticed that when being too expressive, it leaves consequences on my face. serenity of mind and body are key, me thinks! Very Happy

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:57 am

llina wrote:

luyan wrote:

i think the facial movements matter the most,my eyes have some wrinkles because of that.

movement, like stress ... when you frown, concentrate and tense up your eyebrows... and squint when puzzled.

yes, i have a very expressive face, and have noticed that when being too expressive, it leaves consequences on my face. serenity of mind and body are key, me thinks! Very Happy

I think there are a combination of things at work here, Genetics, Skin Type, Sun Exposure, Facial Movements ect. ect.

JMHO
DM Smile

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:23 pm

thanks for all the information, the cloth wash thing is really interesting

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