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free skin care · Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:48 am

rmc7 wrote:

That lower face lift is Known by several names. QuickLift, minilift, it is not the thread lift it is a real cut an pull but the technique is different. I think you can access the info from the site where my picture is posted. That is The Skin Center where I had it done.

Here is the official QuickLift website; some great Before and After photos:

http://www.quickliftmd.com/photo-gallery/?ViewAll=78

Does anyone else think Case Number 29 looks very familiar?

http://www.quickliftmd.com/photo-gallery/details.cfm?ID=29&IMAGEID=73&StartRow=1&surgeon=

free skin care · Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:05 am

Oh my goodness....yep seen that one before! Shock

free skin care · Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:10 am

WHOA!!!!

free skin care · Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:11 am

thanks for keepng this one a surpise Lacy!

free skin care · Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:59 pm

Oh yes, Thanks Lacy......Great find! Laughing

Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:02 pm

@ Lacy53 - Case Number 29 looks so much like Ellie Schirra, she has a couple of youtube videos on facial exercises. I tried to post a link but I think because this is my first post it will not allow me to! I stumbled across this topic by accident.... Please forgive me if I'm wrong.

free skin care · Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:15 pm

Stink1 wrote:

@ Lacy53 - Case Number 29 looks so much like Ellie Schirra, she has a couple of youtube videos on facial exercises. I tried to post a link but I think because this is my first post it will not allow me to! I stumbled across this topic by accident.... Please forgive me if I'm wrong.

Hi,
Not Lacy but,
It is her and there are a few links to her videos on the Ageless Sexy thread!

Welcome to the forum! Smile

Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:20 pm

Thanks DarkMoon :D

free skin care · Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:25 pm

Stink1 wrote:

Thanks DarkMoon Very Happy

You are welcome! Very Happy

free skin care · Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:15 pm

I think we thought she was too good to be true.. I thought she was perhaps pretending to be older than she was...but I didn't think she had a face lift, which btw is not a crime..but? pretending her youth was due to facial exercise? nut job.

BUSTED!!! Too funny.

free skin care · Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:11 pm

hotdocgirl wrote:

I think we thought she was too good to be true.. I thought she was perhaps pretending to be older than she was...but I didn't think she had a face lift, which btw is not a crime..but? pretending her youth was due to facial exercise? nut job.

BUSTED!!! Too funny.

Nope it's certainly no crime to have plastic surgery, but thinking you can BS the world is pathetic IMHO!

BUSTED BIG TIME! Bad Grin

free skin care · Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:13 pm

rmc,

Congrats, you are gorgeous...do you have your total regimen posted anywhere!

Always looking to see what others do...

Mine revised:

AM: Cleansing Oil, followed by ZnO sunscreen

PM: Retin A alternated with oil based Vitamin C dermarolled in with a short needled roller

Somewhat monthly: longer needled roller, followed by my own vitamin serum

Irregularly: Botox, TCA peels, fillers

Considering a facelift at some point for sagging.

BF

free skin care · Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:14 pm

oh forgot to add - I will also be using estrogen topically - alternating that with the Retin A and Vitamin C oil.

BF

free skin care · Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:31 pm

rileygirl wrote:

Cross posting from the CP thread, as I figured after we all have seen rmc7 we want to know her routine!!

rmc7 wrote:

Cp 1st RA, dermaroll, spread wet hands over face when dry esteriol and moisturize.

Bumping this up for Barefootgirl. I also asked rmc what her routine was!!

free skin care · Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:03 pm

Interestingly, there is a study that implies that Estradiol has little effect on photoaged skin. The study was quite short though, only two weeks.
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Estradiol may stimulate collagen levels in sun protected skin.
Topical estradiol can induce collagen synthesis but only in skin not exposed to sunlight, according to a recent study from scientists in Michigan.

Reduced collagen content is one of the features of aging skin, leading to a loss in strength and resilience, and an overwhelming number of anti-aging ingredients are designed to stimulate collagen synthesis in the dermis.

Although previous scientific studies have highlighted a possible role estrogens may play in collagen levels in aged skin, this new research suggests there may be significant differences between the effects of estrogens in skin that has been protected from sunlight and photoaged skin.

Estradiol has little effect on photoaged skin

The researchers, led by Dr Gary Fisher from the University of Michigan Medical School’s Department of Dermatology, found that applying estradiol, an estrogen, to photoaged skin, both on the forearms and the face, had little effect on the levels of collagen production in the skin.

During the study postmenopausal women applied various doses of estradiol to hip skin (representing naturally rather than photoaged skin) which lead to a dose dependent increase in procollagen I and III mRNA levels and in procollagen I protein.

Fisher and the team also noted that topical estradiol also increased procollagen expression in the hip skin of age-matched males, but to a lesser extent.

However, following a similar procedure but applying the estradiol to the forearm and the face did not significantly alter procollagen I or III mRNA levels.

The researchers did suggest that extending the experimental period may have had an effect on the results.

“It is possible that a treatment time of longer than 2 weeks would have demonstrated effects similar to those in sun-protected skin. Additional studies will be necessary to test this possibility,” write the authors.
Indirect pathway

Nevertheless, the authors concluded that the results suggest that estradiol must affect collagen levels indirectly ‘and that photoaged skin lacks an essential component to the estrogen-mediated collagen response’.

“Because photoaging is superimposed on natural aging in sun-exposed areas of the skin, our results suggest that alterations induced by long term sun exposure hinder the ability of topical estradiol to stimulate collagen production in aged humans skin in vivo” they added.

Text above from: http://mvorganics.com/news-research/sun-protected-skin-collagen-synthesis

Link to the study here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18794456

free skin care · Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:20 pm

I just checked out the Ageless Sexy vids on You Tube - there you claim to be 69, but here and on the Quick Lift site,....64?

Was the surgery before or after Ageless If You Dare exercises?

Thanks BF

free skin care · Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:29 pm

Barefootgirl wrote:

I just checked out the Ageless Sexy vids on You Tube - there you claim to be 69, but here and on the Quick Lift site,....64?

Was the surgery before or after Ageless If You Dare exercises?

Thanks BF

Oh I hate to do this to you BF but have you read the thread Ageless Sexy?

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=39870

free skin care · Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:38 pm

ShastaGirl wrote:

Interestingly, there is a study that implies that Estradiol has little effect on photoaged skin. The study was quite short though, only two weeks.
---
The researchers did suggest that extending the experimental period may have had an effect on the results.

“It is possible that a treatment time of longer than 2 weeks would have demonstrated effects similar to those in sun-protected skin. Additional studies will be necessary to test this possibility,” write the authors.
Indirect pathway

Nevertheless, the authors concluded that the results suggest that estradiol must affect collagen levels indirectly ‘and that photoaged skin lacks an essential component to the estrogen-mediated collagen response’.

“Because photoaging is superimposed on natural aging in sun-exposed areas of the skin, our results suggest that alterations induced by long term sun exposure hinder the ability of topical estradiol to stimulate collagen production in aged humans skin in vivo” they added.

Text above from: http://mvorganics.com/news-research/sun-protected-skin-collagen-synthesis

Link to the study here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18794456

Try this one; it's older research (1994) that involved a 24-week study of Premarin (conjugated Estrogens) applied to the face nightly:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7799828

free skin care · Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:08 am

wow, just finished the other thread, what a trainwreck. Sad

This is exactly the kind of thing that drives me away from hawksters, promoters and those of their kind.

Here's a rhetorical question - don't we already suffer enough from the negative impacts of age-ism?

Each day, I find myself moving farther and farther away from those things that bring little more than angst.

I will continue to do what I can, but I think it's time for a reality check (speaking for myself).

BF

free skin care · Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:12 am

oops, meant to say huckster, not hawkster, got my terms mixed up - since people "hawk" products.

Always be wary of the snake oil.

BF

free skin care · Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:33 am

Barefootgirl wrote:

oops, meant to say huckster, not hawkster, got my terms mixed up - since people "hawk" products.

Always be wary of the snake oil.

BF

Apologies once again BF, I agree about avoiding things that cause angst, life throws enough our way already.
I must admit to a pet peeve with dishonesty, it tends to get my ire up.

free skin care · Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:59 pm

I wonder why people are afraid to admit to surgery? I guess it's better to make a total fool out of yourself and get caught in a HUGE lie???!!! I just don't get it. Confused

free skin care · Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:07 pm

rmc7 wrote:

I wonder why people are afraid to admit to surgery? I guess it's better to make a total fool out of yourself and get caught in a HUGE lie???!!! I just don't get it. Confused

LOL. rmc That makes 2 of us, I can understand models and actresses fudging their age only because of the ageism out there, a girl's got to eat. It really does go against my grain for people to lie.

free skin care · Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:28 pm

Well, if you are involved in promoting facial exercise, it would appear more convincing to claim that all your improvement came from facial exercise and neglect to mention the surgery.

Again, snake oil.

BF

free skin care · Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:57 pm

Seems like there is an emphasis on how things (surgeries and what else not) will only last a few years.

That's like getting busted but still not fully admitting? Hmmm...

I don't like misrepresentation. JMHO. Neutral

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