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Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:59 pm  |
| I read someone's post who said that they'd rather spend money on moisturizers/serums than cleansers because the cleansers don't actually stay on your face for long. I'm wondering what people think of this? Do you think a good cleanser is important or do you think healthy skin can be achieved with an ordinary cleanser + good moisturizers/serums? |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:29 am |
| While I agree that spending a lot on cleansers is a bit of a waste, cleansing is the first step in my routine and unless I've cleansed properly, other products could well be less effective. As such, if I had to I would spend more on a cleanser (fortunately I don't need to as my HG is cheap). |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:51 am |
I agree with Josh's comments. I also dont spend alot on cleansers but what I use works for me.
Cleanser are not treatments but they are the important first step for your skin care routine. |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:03 am |
| Of course cleansers are important - cleansing the skin properly is the first line of defense against skin problems. However, any skin specialist will tell you that you don't need to spend allot of money on a cleanser - there are many cheap and effective cleansers on the market (not to mention all the DIY alternatives). Money is better spent on good skincare ingredients that nourish the skin. |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:41 pm |
| Hmm well I certainly don't mean get the worse cleanser possible. But I'm guessing if you had to choose a cheap cleanser over a cheap moisturizer, you'd go with the cheap cleanser |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:55 pm |
I've used all types of cleansers. I have dry skin and can't use dove soap on my face...it's too harsh. I've used cheap cleansers such as cetaphil (and although it's good...it's not perfect for my skin). I keep on going back to the dermalogica ultra gentle cleanser...it's $50 a bottle and pretty expensive for just a cleanser that will be wiped away by water....but I think if you're going to invest in skin...invest the whole way and not just halfway. I used to buy cetaphil cleanser and invest in a expensive moisturizer but have found that every skin type is different and you just need to find the perfect products for your skin by trial and error...sometimes these products can be cheap...sometimes they are expensive. What works for me that took many years of searching for the "perfect" products are:
Clarisonic (for daily exfoliation)
Homemade Vit C serum (cheap and helps prevent wrinkles)
Retin A cream at night
Dermalogica Ultra gentle cleanser (morning/night...although they recently changed formula)
Velmont renewing pack ($200 a bottle but is a miracle worker) |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:07 pm |
| I just use a combination of Castor and Olive Oil to cleanse my face - you can't get much cheaper than that. I've found oil to be the most effective cleanser ever - the theory being that oil cleanses oil. It's also nourishing and doesn't strip the skin. |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:09 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| I just use a combination of Castor and Olive Oil to cleanse my face - you can't get much cheaper than that. I've found oil to be the most effective cleanser ever - the theory being that oil cleanses oil. It's also nourishing and doesn't strip the skin. |
Don't you need to use a special type of oil that also mixes well with water? Won't it leave behind a residue? |
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Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:11 pm |
| oasisjc wrote: |
| Keliu wrote: |
| I just use a combination of Castor and Olive Oil to cleanse my face - you can't get much cheaper than that. I've found oil to be the most effective cleanser ever - the theory being that oil cleanses oil. It's also nourishing and doesn't strip the skin. |
Don't you need to use a special type of oil that also mixes well with water? Won't it leave behind a residue? |
No! You do have to take care to rinse all the oil away using a wash cloth and warm water - but that's the case with any cleanser anyway. I find the oil cleanses away makeup very effectively. I do use a toner afterwards though.
The oil leaves your skin feeling very soft. I read somewhere the other day that if your skin is squeaky clean after you've cleansed it, then that's a bad thing because you've essentially stripped it dry. The oil leaves the skin clean but feeling nourished.
Also, in a magazine article by Bobby Brown, she recommended rubbing Olive Oil into the skin every now and then for extra nourishment.
Don't forget also that oil has been used for centuries for cleansing the skin - but in the form of a bar of soap. Soap used to be made from oils but now, for the most part, it's just made from chemicals and surfactants. But you can still find natural bars of soap made from oils eg Gamila Secret Olive Oil Soap. |
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:12 am |
| A good cleanser is very important even though you don't leave it on. It can either destroy your acid barrier or heal it. Many people who have skin problems are due to their skin barrier being compromised. Greg |
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:35 am |
I think cleanser is so personal...almost more so than the products and serums we put on our faces. Don't know about you guys..but I like to enjoy cleansing my face.
I feel like many lines treat it as a throwaway item..because all the other products are so awesome..then the cleanser is like? What are they thinking?
For example, I love my clarsonic beyond belief and think their cleaners are nothing special. I was given three for free and couldn't even use them all up.
I use CeRave's cleanser I buy at Walgreens. It is a cream cleanser that I really like. But that's just me. I used to like some light foam types..but my skin needs more moisture now.
What I wonder about it toner..the ph balance of my skin. I need to get a grasp on that.
It is always something! lol. |
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:34 pm |
[quote="Keliu"][quote="oasisjc"]
| Keliu wrote: |
The oil leaves your skin feeling very soft. I read somewhere the other day that if your skin is squeaky clean after you've cleansed it, then that's a bad thing because you've essentially stripped it dry. The oil leaves the skin clean but feeling nourished.
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I second this. Since switching to cleansing with oils it's been a real help to my skin in the winter time. Oddly enough I think it's also been keeping my skin clearer from breakouts. It cleanses AND gets rid of makeup AND is healthy (olive oil, grape seed oil, etc) AND cheap! How can you beat that? |
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:53 pm |
| Hmm now I'm quite fascinated by this whole oil cleansing... where do you guys purchase the oils? Just from the grocery store or is there a site that sells "purer" oils? |
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:00 am |
All my breakouts (and my daughter's) stopped completely when we started using oil to cleanse. It was especially helpful for my daughter because she had acne. Oils leave the skin barrier completely in tact.
Oasisjc, you can use Olive Oil from the supermarket and Castor Oil from the chemist. Castor Oil draws out impurities from the skin. Oil cleansing is often referred to under the title Oil Cleansing Method (OCM) - you'll see it referred to quite often on this Forum. However, I don't like making a whole ritual out of the cleansing - I just use the oils as I would any other cleanser. You can read more about it here:
http://www.theoilcleansingmethod.com/ |
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:40 am |
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| For example, I love my clarsonic beyond belief and think their cleaners are nothing special. I was given three for free and couldn't even use them all up. |
I totally agreed! I tried to like them, but ended up binning the lot. Dermalogica for cleansers as been my staple for years and years, currently alternated with my Valmont samples.
I tried the castor oil thing but it didn't agree with me. I do have Dermalogica's pre-cleanse oil though, which I love too. |
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:35 am |
OCM is great. Was my staple for a few years, but it is time consuming. I only use it now on rare occasions if my skin seems to need some TLC. I find OCM relaxing, but my two kids aren't so understanding of 'Mommy Time'. 
I switched to Purity made simple by Philosophy when I got my Clarisonic Mia for Christmas. I use it in the shower. Very easy.
My advice it to try OCM. Very inexpensive and it works. It's just weird at first.  I recommend the first press when it comes to buying EVOO at the store. You can get castor oil from Whole Foods if you are states side. Initially I bought my castor oil from Walmart pharmacy aisle. Not great stuff, but worked enough for me look for better castor oil (I live in a small town that is an hour away from a big city).
I would say that when I was younger...I put my money on the moisturizers, but as I get older I am finding that a good cleanser (regardless of $-within reason for my budget) based on how my skin reacts is getting to be as important to me too. I don't know if it is because my skin was better off younger as I constantly abused and stripped away the oils (remember Clear Breeze anyone?) thinking I was doing the right thing or if I'm just more aware now. |
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:51 am |
| oasisjc wrote: |
| Hmm now I'm quite fascinated by this whole oil cleansing... where do you guys purchase the oils? Just from the grocery store or is there a site that sells "purer" oils? |
I use rose hip cleanser from dianayvonne. com. It will do more for your skin than any other product. It is a very low ph non detergent cleanser. Most cleansers ruin the skin although most on here don't understand that. Greg |
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:01 am |
| I think cleansing is important, but the secret is to find the best cleanser for your skin type and there are many out there and some your skin just won’t like. I think cleansing is essential to anyone’s routine for basic hygenie reasons but also to help product penetration and active ingredients you will use with your moisturiser. If there is heavy oil or sweat on your skin, then the actives have to try to get through that, whereas if its applied to clean skin, they can get right in there. Even people with dry skin (and I’m one) need to cleanse, but the real eye opener was when my derm pointed out I was using the wrong cleanser. I know my skin felt tight after using a special one for skin that’s dermalogically tested, and it made my skin feel tight, and he stopped me right away and put me on a cheapish one which did the job and I could feel a difference right away. The other thing no matter what type of cleanser your using is to ensure that you remove it. On another forum I ventured they talk about some sort of splashing technique where you lean over the sink and splash the water over your face like a hundred times, and I’ve never been that dedicated I have to confess, but the reason they say for doing this is to remove any traces of dirt but also cleanser. If you don’t cleanse properly and leave a cleanser on your skin it does start to chemically mix with the sweat/oil present which can lead to breakouts etc so you have to either really rinse your skin or use a toner to remove cleanser residue. |
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