Indented scar
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:10 pm

I have a small ice pick scar with an indentation on my nose, it wouldn't bother me if it weren't on my nose. It shines back at me in the mirror when I wash my face. I've been to a Derm, (he's the one who put it there) and a plastic surgeon asking for help, they both said to leave it alone. It's not in the healing phase any longer. Is there something I can do at home or would Dermabrasion help?

free skin care · Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:14 pm

simplysharon - you sound like a perfect candidate for single needling and Copper Peptides to help fill in that scar.

I've done that to a couple of mine with great success.

the single needle helps to break down the scar tissue that is present and the CPs help the skin rebuild w/out the scar tissue that was there before. It's a combo deal using the needle and CPs together, but it works really well.

I get my single needles from owndoc.com and the CPs can be bought from Skin Biology, EDS, NCNSkincare or Diana Yvonne.

Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:20 pm

I've tried the skin bio cop peptides. They made me itch, think I'm allergic to them. I was going to order the derma roller but then I read a post by someone that it made her skin worse so I didn't. I also read good reviews about the rollers but feel I could be the one with a bad result. Thanks for trying to help.

free skin care · Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:23 pm

simplysharon wrote:

I've tried the skin bio cop peptides. They made me itch, think I'm allergic to them. I was going to order the derma roller but then I read a post by someone that it made her skin worse so I didn't. I also read good reviews about the rollers but feel I could be the one with a bad result. Thanks for trying to help.

which CP did you start out with? they can cause itching to skin that's not use to it (strong stuff!). it's usually best to go slowly to avoid reactions like that.

a roller isnt' going to work for ice pick scars - you need the single needle to get down deep and along the side walls of the scar.

free skin care · Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:25 pm

Sounds like excision would help with this.

free skin care · Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:55 pm

simplysharon wrote:

I've tried the skin bio cop peptides. They made me itch, think I'm allergic to them. I was going to order the derma roller but then I read a post by someone that it made her skin worse so I didn't. I also read good reviews about the rollers but feel I could be the one with a bad result. Thanks for trying to help.

Dermaroller works on some people and not on others, just like many other products. You will have to see by trying it out. In my opinion, I think dermarolling is the only way to get rid of scars that peels cannot handle. Have you tried peels yet?

GirlieGirl wrote:

Sounds like excision would help with this.

How would an excision help with an indented scar? Wouldn't that just make a another larger scar? Sorry, not too familiar with how excisions work.

free skin care · Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:12 pm

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GirlieGirl wrote:

Sounds like excision would help with this.

How would an excision help with an indented scar? Wouldn't that just make a another larger scar? Sorry, not too familiar with how excisions work.

Actually because its on her nose I was thinking subcision but wrote excision. Excision can work too, I've had it done on chin and forehead but the nose probably inst the easiest/best place for excision.

Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:29 pm

What is the single needle, where do I get one and how do I use it. Is it done at home or by a Dr?

free skin care · Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:32 am

simplysharon wrote:

What is the single needle, where do I get one and how do I use it. Is it done at home or by a Dr?

Foxe noted this in her message above.

Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:54 am

I think the Dr referred to it as a punch biopsy, it's where they take out a tiny wedge of skin and stitch it back together, then it heals with a small straight scar. My indentation is very small, like a toothpick hole but around it is a slight indentation which is about 1/8 of an inch long. The Drs. have trouble seeing it. I see it everyday when I wash my face or in my review mirror. It's more noticeable in the daylight cuz the skin it much lighter on the spot then the rest of my nose. I have tried one peel and it didn't help. I'm about ready to use sandpaper on it. Seriously, isn't that what Dermabrasion does. If I did my whole nose I think it could blend in.

free skin care · Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:23 pm

sharon - you don't want to sandpaper your whole nose - what a mess that'd be!!

You can get single needles fromwww.owndoc.com
and you can definitely do this on your own at home.

They're only $9 for a few of them, but she's in Europe, so S&H may add a few to that.

When you needle the scar - you have to needle ALL of it, including the side walls and base and around the outside of it a bit.

It should be easy to do the first few times. At least mine were. The scar tissue is thick and had few (if any) nerve endings, so you shouldn't feel much when the needle goes in. I also heard a popping sound when the needle pierced the skin as it was so thick and solid. As it repaired, it became more tender when I needled it later. I then knew the combo of CPs and needle were working to fill in as nerve endings were repairing along w/ the skin filling in.

You will have to repeat this,but wait at least 4-6 weeks between needlings. It might take 6 mos or more to really see results, so don't despair if things don't improve right away. When I did this, I did see improvements in 6 weeks though.

And you might need to do it 3 or 4 times, but I'd only do it a couple of times and then wait a few mos to see how things look.

Also, use the CPs on a daily basis and try an exfoliator to help remove damaged tissue that will rise up. Skin Biology offers a few good exfoliators. You can actually try their scar package - it's has the Super CP Serum and the Exfol SErum in it (and emu oil) which are the perfect combos for working on scars.

Apply the CP serum full strength on the scar itself, but dilute it for the rest of your face if you're going to use it there too. Its a really strong CP and might cause those darn 'uglies' elsewhere. Especially if you noticed any in the past (like the itching).

When you needle, wait a little until there's no more oozing, and then apply the CPs there. You WILL feel the CPs going in when you do this. Especially if your skin isn't use to them. If it looks especially irritated, use the emu oil to calm things down.

What you want to do is get the CPs in so the scar tissue doesn't replicate itself. The CPs will help to prevent that scar tissue from regrowing and help the area fill in smoothly.

Another option for you (instead of the SUPER CP serum) is to use the regular CP Serum or even the GHK Serum. All of these are good to use for scars. The stronger ones *might* work faster for some, but if someone has sensitive skin (and if they reacted w/ itching in the past, that might be considered 'sensitive'), then starting w/ a weaker CP is an alternative. You can alway work your way up to a stronger CP as your skin gets use to them.

Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:56 pm

Ok, I'll try it. Will it bleed when I use the needles and how do I know how far to insert them. Does it give directions on the package? Thanks for your help I'll skip the sandpaper for now. Smile

free skin care · Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:42 am

careful: is this scar a keloid? do the edges of the scar extend beyond the original injury? if you tend to form keloids, I would leave it alone, because anything you do to it that requires healing might cause it to get worse. It has to do with overexhuberant collagen production. If both the derm and the plastic surgeon said to leave it alone...they might be thinking along these lines.

Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:25 am

No, it's not a keloid but because of the ice pick scar, the skin around it may appear slightly raised. It's hard to explain, It's a toothpick size hole that looks like a large pore, it also looks like it has a slight indentation around it, then where my normal skin is it looks a smidgen higher. If I took a picture to post here, it would have to be a close up and the light would have to shine directly on it to make it show up in a pic.

free skin care · Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:36 am

Punch biopsy is the tool, this is excision. I personally would seek out subscision first since I think it would be difficult to stitch the punch on your nose.

free skin care · Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:36 am

simplysharon wrote:

Ok, I'll try it. Will it bleed when I use the needles and how do I know how far to insert them. Does it give directions on the package? Thanks for your help I'll skip the sandpaper for now. Smile

It might bleed a little bit, but the bleeding usually stops after a few minutes.

The needles are 2mm in length and stop automatically, so no need to worry about going deeper. They give tips how to stop it shorter too.

The needles can be found here for a shortcut to the page.

Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:57 pm

Thanks for your help, I found the site and wrote to Sarah. She was very kind and helpful. I will order my needles from her and hope for the best. It's nice to know that others are willing to listen & help with a problem. I know I shouldn't make a big deal out of it. When I went to a store I saw a young girl with awful scars all over her face, it looked like she went thru a car windshield. That made me feel very shallow about complaining about my small problem but still can't help that my small problem makes me feel bad about myself.

free skin care · Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:57 pm

CPs do itch when you first use them, its highly unlikely you are allergic. The single needle worked for me on everything but keloids.

free skin care · Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:10 am

Copper peptides would be your best option for an indented scar as they are used for healing. You could also add in a AHA based product that would speed up the results and also polish the surface skin off to temporarily fade the scar.

free skin care · Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:16 pm

I have tried dermabrasion and it doesn't get rid of the intended scarring but it does mean them decrease.

I have also tried NuDerm Obagi system which helped my skin look smoother but didn't get rid of them completely either.

I wish i had listened to my mom and not picked at my acne

Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:18 pm

I've tried everything I can to get rid of this annoying scar. Retin A, AHA's, Needling, Nose Peel, even tried using a fine grit sandpaper on it. I really think dermabrasion would help but the Drs. won't touch it, they say it's not a big deal. Well it is a big deal to me, but of course it's no skin off their Nose. Lol

free skin care · Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:56 am

Quick question,how long have you had this scar for?

Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:02 pm

Since early Jan of 2011.

Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:49 am

Foxe wrote in reference to single needling ice pick scars:

Quote:

you need the single needle to get down deep and along the side walls of the scar.

also Foxe wrote:

Quote:

When you needle the scar - you have to needle ALL of it, including the side walls and base and around the outside of it a bit.

Hello

I am trying to understand the single needling technique for ice pick scars. Would you please clarify? I read this carefully, but am still not clear of the instructions.

Do you avoid needling straight down into the center of ice pick scar as to not make it go down any deeper than it already is? (and to avoid damaging the pore) Should you only needle the inner side walls of the scar at an angle? Will you damage the pore if you needle straight down into it?

Or do you also need to needle the ice pick scar perpendicularly to the skin surface, meaning the same way as the derma stamp would do it?

Perhaps I am thinking too hard about this and single needling is simpler than I imagine it Confused

Thank you!

free skin care · Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:39 pm

CarolineP wrote:

Foxe wrote in reference to single needling ice pick scars:

Quote:

you need the single needle to get down deep and along the side walls of the scar.

also Foxe wrote:

Quote:

When you needle the scar - you have to needle ALL of it, including the side walls and base and around the outside of it a bit.

Hello

I am trying to understand the single needling technique for ice pick scars. Would you please clarify? I read this carefully, but am still not clear of the instructions.

Do you avoid needling straight down into the center of ice pick scar as to not make it go down any deeper than it already is? (and to avoid damaging the pore) Should you only needle the inner side walls of the scar at an angle? Will you damage the pore if you needle straight down into it?

Or do you also need to needle the ice pick scar perpendicularly to the skin surface, meaning the same way as the derma stamp would do it?

Perhaps I am thinking too hard about this and single needling is simpler than I imagine it Confused

Thank you!

Hi Caroline - I would needle every angle you can with the single needle. Needling the bottom of the scar should help the release the tension that is holding it down. But needle everywhere you can at all angles to break up the scar tissue. Just make sure you leave spaces between the needle marks so the neighboring cells can help the injured cells rebuild. And remember to use CPs to help in the process! Wink

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