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Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:57 am  |
Your un-answer is very telling.
I think we know the truth.
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:09 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
Your un-answer is very telling.
I think we know the truth.
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Bwahahahahaha!  Un-answer my foot. OK, here's your answer to the redundant question--redundant since I had JUST talked about that before you asked: NO I do not get any monetary gain for any of the face exercise programs I recommend. 
You would just love it, wouldn't you if I were getting paid huh? Give you something to get all smug about.
Already someone suggested I was a specialist. WRONG! You suggest I'm getting paid. WRONG!
Can't understand my sort eh? Don't know how anyone could care so much about strangers to put out so much of themselves for nothing eh? Love it when folks can't figure me out. Hee hee hee!
BTW, my friends have asked me why I don't blog or have Youtube vids since I have so much to share. Some have even suggested I write a book or start my own program. Nah! Haven't got the time or patience for any of that. Don't think I'd be able to keep it up. I love forums coz I can post when I want and not have to feel the pressure to keep up with posts unless I want to.
Yes, BFG, I don't just work at being beautiful on the outside; I do try to be beautiful on the inside too. And selfless giving is part of that effort.  |
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:09 pm |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
Your un-answer is very telling.
I think we know the truth.
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How is this an un-answer?
"I happen to spend hours on forums sharing stuff I know about hair, skin, face exercises, health, cats, etc and I don't get a cent for it." |
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:39 pm |
Thank you Nonie for the clarification, it is good to read that in writing.
It sends off signals when a particular poster consistently shows up to tout a particular product or service, but rarely participates otherwise in the forum or never or rarely discusses other products/procedures, etc.
I just posted the case of the Lifestyle Lift above if you are interested in reading the problems there.
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:07 pm |
I just recalled something else. Nonie appears in advertisements for at least one seller of facial exercise that I am aware of, so there is a built-in bias.
In a community such as this one, where trust should be paramount, it would seem the ethical thing to do for anyone here who continually posts consistently positive (or even negative) reviews to disclose their affiliations up front.
The Real Self forum found itself in a jam over this very issue.
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:29 pm |
| Well said Barefootgirl! The fortunate fact is that shady, ineffective treatments always get shown up for what they really are, eventually...as what just happened in this thread. People should put their time, money, trust and hope (all equally valuable expenditures) into proven methods. Not doing so can result not just in lost time, money, trust and hope, but often in worsened problems. |
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:49 pm |
Hotdocgirl, I agree with you. In general, and there are always some exceptions, I am not a proponent of plastic surgery. I think facelifts make people look different, but not necessarily better. I think facelifts change the face too much, to be frank.
In my opinion, excellent, conscientious skincare, excellent nutrition and physical fitness/exercise, and Botox and fillers are the best route. Botox eases muscle-related wrinkles, can lift a saggy brow somewhat, and fillers can replace the lost volume of the facial contours making one appear more youthful. I consider the above to be least invasive, and most effective for making faces look like themselves (not different) but better and more refreshed. I think that should be the ultimate goal of cosmetic procedures.
HOWEVER, two areas are not receptive to low impact treatments; the eyelid and the neck, largely because of the delicate skin and hence, tendency for early, irreparable damage. Therefore, upper blephs and neck lifts are usually necessary surgeries for those with slack skin on the eyelids and neck. Topicals and injectables are ultimately not effective treatments for slack skin. |
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:44 pm |
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HOWEVER, two areas are not receptive to low impact treatments; the eyelid and the neck, largely because of the delicate skin and hence, tendency for early, irreparable damage. Therefore, upper blephs and neck lifts are usually necessary surgeries for those with slack skin on the eyelids and neck. Topicals and injectables are ultimately not effective treatments for slack skin. |
It looks like someone is experimenting with dermal fillers in the eyebrow area to achieve lift of overhanging sag:
http://www.thevictoriancosmeticinstitute.com.au/eyebrow-shaping-lifting/
In theory, this makes sense; the results are subtle and temporary. Not sure if this procedure is approved or widely available (this link is from Australia). |
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:22 am |
ww.eyemagic.net
My sister uses these strips and she swears by them. I think you can buy them on Ebay sometimes for a cheaper price. She said they stay put on her until she takes them off and they make a great difference in her lids...Look natural too. |
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:50 am |
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| EthelM wrote: |
HOWEVER, two areas are not receptive to low impact treatments; the eyelid and the neck, largely because of the delicate skin and hence, tendency for early, irreparable damage. Therefore, upper blephs and neck lifts are usually necessary surgeries for those with slack skin on the eyelids and neck. Topicals and injectables are ultimately not effective treatments for slack skin. |
It looks like someone is experimenting with dermal fillers in the eyebrow area to achieve lift of overhanging sag:
http://www.thevictoriancosmeticinstitute.com.au/eyebrow-shaping-lifting/
In theory, this makes sense; the results are subtle and temporary. Not sure if this procedure is approved or widely available (this link is from Australia). |
That's cool, Lacy53! I imagine,though, that you'd want a very good, experienced injector and that you probably need the right eyebrow conformation for this injection. I think the margin for error, wherein the filler actually weighs down tissue and exacerbates a heavy brow, could be rather large. I like the concept, though, and I hope this technique becomes perfected and widely available. |
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Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:23 pm |
| EthelM wrote: |
| Ottawa Shopper wrote: |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
You can achieve an eyelid lift through Botox/Dysport.
Certain injectors know how to place it strategically, ask around.
Pricing for these treatments has come way down.
I think you could get at least 3-4 months out of it, longer if you get repeat treatments, but then that would approach the cost of an eyelid lift itself, which is one of the cheapest, easiest surgeries.
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Eyelid surgery might be cheap...but not really a "easy" surgery.
Well at least not in my oppinion.
They slice your eyelid open, fix stuff and you walk around looking and feeling like you were punched in the face for 8-12 weeks and are not allowed to wear makeup or contact lenses !
And usually they use just local freezing and you are awake for everything.
Going to the dentist is much easier than any eyelid surgery.
Not saying not to do it, as I plan to again- just not really a "easy thing" ...which is why I am putting it off for now. |
Actually, the upper bleph really is an easy surgery. The lower bleph, where fat pads are removed, isn't quite as easy due to increased swelling and bruising---it a more involved procedure than an upper belph. With an upper bleph, many PS will offer the choice between local anesthetics and "twilight" sedation (which is less expensive) or general anesthesia. The procedure removes a thin slice of skin, and either sutures or butterfly bandaging is used to secure the incision (depending on severity of the excision and whether or not any adipose tissue is also removed). Recovery is usually 2 weeks, tops, and seldom is there much bruising. The upper eye skin remains a tad red, with slight swelling, for about a week, and then all subsides fairly quickly. It truly is an easy procedure particularly if one doesn't have any excess fatty tissue removed with the slack skin. Granted, removal of fatty tissue can increase the swelling and bruising, but honestly, only a little when in an upper bleph. |
Guess I should have mentioned I have a issue with thin blood and bruise extremely easily.
Also was only offered local freezing as this was done on an outpatient and I was sent home after 1 hour or so-could be why my experience was different. |
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Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:14 am |
| You can try valmont eye cream |
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Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:15 am |
| You can try valmont eye cream |
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Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:42 pm |
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| Keliu wrote: |
| Toby - if this works as amazingly as it does in the promotional video, wouldn't this product be a better option than EES? |
This is a temporary fix...like egg white mask only it is wearable with mineral makeup.The product does a great job of tightening the skin as long as it is applied to dry skin. Once moisture is under or over it the tucking action dissipates. So for an under eye product it wouldn’t work for me. Also you need to wear a mineral type foundation over it, liquid ruins the tucking action...but for the upper eye lids and neck it could really offer some possibilities. Also if you wear mineral makeup it would work . |
Ultherapy can't be used on the eyelids but it can be used on parts of the forehead for a brow-lift and it works quite well. Thermage on the eyelids is a great procedure. I have had both and was happy. I have also had an eyelift and regret it. I believe that it gave me dry eye amoung some other problems. Avoid surgery, its never a good idea. |
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