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njb07mgb
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Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:04 pm |
I am new to this forum so I hope I'm not repeating a previous question. I am trying to determine the difference between at home products for microderabrasion vs a cleansing brush like the Sonicare. Can anyone tell me the difference? I would also like to know if anyone has tried the Olay cleansing brush.
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:45 am |
Microdermabrasion is for exfoliating, the Clarisonic is only supposed to cleanse dirt/ oils/ make up. As I understand it, you are not supposed to use it to scrub your skin, it's the vibrations of the liquid product that clean the skin. I assume some loose dead skin would be dislodged in the process but that is not the same as deliberately exfoliating IMO. |
_________________ Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:18 am |
I consider my clarsonic as more than a cleansing brush. I think it exfoliates my face every day and I love it. It is a key tool in my routine and a major reason, I think, my skin looks so young. I don't know if it the vibration, exfoliation, and the fact that my products absorb more because of it? But..overall I think it is so worth the money.
I have had microderm done before..and I stay away from it..for no real proven reason. I think I can exfoliate through my clarsoic and retin-A better with out putting fine crystals into my pores. Still..others love it. so it is a personal choice. |
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Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:38 am |
I haven't tried either, so this is just speculation on my part, but it seems like there's a big difference. It sounds like microderm is fine crystals kind of hacking away (however gently) at stubborn remnants that some people have trouble clearing, and cleansing brushes do more to rub/scrape/massage/encourage skin to turnover on its own. I'd imagine that microderm would be something you wouldn't do half as often as brushing, since it can be a more intensive treatment, but its different for everyone.
It seems like people's standards/definition for what exfoliation really is are different.
For some, something comparatively gentle (which isn't actually intended to be an exfoliant, but still seems to help shed a little dead skin, like vit c or retin a) is enough to encourage their skin to "get up" and handle turnover on its own - which is ideally what we want, and what young skin does well.
For others, they find their skin is way too sluggish and need more intense treatments, like stronger acids & microderm to clear away surface sludge in order to let their skin breathe. Hopefully for them, it doesn't irritate, since that'll just set you back, as your skin will just spend its energy on trying to heal the extra damage. So I'd recommend not going this route, especially too often, unless you're absolutely sure that something gentler isn't enough for you.
(I may be out of line here, talking about microderm, since I'm sure that if used properly it can be way more gentle than it sounds.) |
_________________ Olive, normal/oily skin. Using rinse-off ocm, Vit C, Tretinoin since Nov/10, GHK since Feb/12, Niacinamide & glucosamine, alternating, & now skipping nights! Concerns include oiliness, hyperpigmentation from occasional zits, 11's & nasolabial folds. |
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Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:02 pm |
LoriA wrote: |
It seems like people's standards/definition for what exfoliation really is are different.
For some, something comparatively gentle (which isn't actually intended to be an exfoliant, but still seems to help shed a little dead skin, like vit c or retin a) is enough to encourage their skin to "get up" and handle turnover on its own - which is ideally what we want, and what young skin does well.
For others, they find their skin is way too sluggish and need more intense treatments, like stronger acids & microderm to clear away surface sludge in order to let their skin breathe. Hopefully for them, it doesn't irritate, since that'll just set you back, as your skin will just spend its energy on trying to heal the extra damage. So I'd recommend not going this route, especially too often, unless you're absolutely sure that something gentler isn't enough for you.
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Sorry to appear to pick on you, my thoughts are following on from your post and for the EDS hivemind to agree or disagree with.
I think we all forget that our skin is first and foremost an organ of excretion and a protective wrapping. We know the risks of bombarding our lungs and livers with chemicals - smoking, pollution, binge drinking - yet we speak of doing the same to our skin as if we were improving its health rather than for aesthetic goals. Sometimes these dovetail but often they do not. Healthy skin exfoliates without any assistance, only in dermatological conditions like dermatitis or psoriasis is it necessary to clear away surface sludge.
I also think our definition of 'comparatively gentle' is at odds. Applying acids to your face on a daily basis is not gentle IMO it is aggressive skincare. Retin-A is a prescription medication; many L-AA serums are pH ~3.5 which is one hundred times more acidic than the skin's preferred ~5.5. We can't see much of the inflammation that we create as it takes place at the cellular level. Once we can see 'minor' irritation or 'little' flaking that is actually a sign that our skin's barrier is no longer functioning optimally.
Acids force increased turnover; if not the barrier would swiftly fail. To me encouraging is supplying all the nutrients it needs through diet, using a healing topical like aloe vera or a little massage. Whilst I do light lactic acid peels myself I am under no illusion that my skin needs them, in fact it would likely be healthier if I stopped using most of my products and let it age naturally!
*dismounts soapbox* |
_________________ Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:14 pm |
yeah..I would have to be convinced by seeing faces and ages lined up. I find it hard to belive that just diet and aloe vera makes a 45 year old face look as good as a 45 year old face that has used retin-A and a clarsonic everyday.
My skin has stayed younger because of products...I know some very wrinkled aged vegetarians who go on and on about their diets and all their energy. I look at their weathered saddle faces and say.... I dunno? |
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Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:37 pm |
hotdocgirl wrote: |
yeah..I would have to be convinced by seeing faces and ages lined up. I find it hard to belive that just diet and aloe vera makes a 45 year old face look as good as a 45 year old face that has used retin-A and a clarsonic everyday.
My skin has stayed younger because of products...I know some very wrinkled aged vegetarians who go on and on about their diets and all their energy. I look at their weathered saddle faces and say.... I dunno? |
Thank you for your input! Certain aspects of natural ageing are seen to be aesthetically undesirable, but a youthful appearance does not necessarily correlate with the health of the skin. There are many young people with acne, or who use tanning beds, or who have atopic eczema. There are many mature looking people whose skin barrier is functioning perfectly.
I don't dispute that Retin-A is effective at making people look younger, research has proven that to be so. But acids are not a gentle method of achieving that aesthetic IMO, and can make the skin less healthy by damaging the barrier function and more sun sensitive. Of course acids may also make some skins more healthy by being used to burn off a wart or pre-cancerous lesion, say.
Bear in mind our whole body is covered in skin not just our face - the average EDS beauty regime encompasses much more than just Retin-A and a Clarisonic. Most of us frequently use products containing sulphate surfactants - shampoo, shower gel, hand wash, face scrub, toothpaste, dish soap etc. Science has proven these to be irritants, to thin and to damage the surface layer of the skin. IMO these and other common irritants contribute to the ageing process by dehydrating the skin, damaging it's barrier function so that it is more easily affected by environmental stressors. And this was taking place long before most of us purchased our first decent moisturiser. Much of our sun exposure occurs in childhood, decades before we got interested in healthy eating or turned vegetarian.
Hope that makes more sense! |
_________________ Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:14 pm |
some of what you says does make sense. I think chemical peels work better for some than others..and it does make one more prone to skin damage if sunscreen is not used. But, if used correctly..peels, serums, lasers, and sunscreen can bring about amazing change in damaged skin.
Yet, it is a process...not a quick cure. No doubt..a good diet and other natural products help too. all of us on EDS want to do all we can to be our healthy and young selves...no matter our age. |
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