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Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:24 pm  |
I know there are quite a few members on this forum are experts on this topic. Could any of you shed some light on which facial exercise is the most effective one for lift the lower side cheeks and diminish eyebags yet doesn't require more than 10 mins a day? It is my New Year's resolution to start facial exercise from now on.
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Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:51 pm |
What do you mean by "lower side cheeks"? Do you mean jowls? The area below cheek bones?
Well, Tom's program is only 5 exercises and his face looks fine to me. But I do know he does many reps for his exercises so I don't know if it takes him 10 minutes. Maybe you could drop him a line and ask. But otherwise, this is Tom in his 70's doing one of his exercises:
If you like what you see, maybe that program can work for you but you'd do well to get in touch with him just to confirm that less than ten minutes will suffice and also to make sure it'll address your problem areas. Maybe he could make some suggestions or at least tell you how many reps you would need to do for effectiveness.
Otherwise, I personally think that anything worth having is worth making time for...so I would suggest just taking time out of your day just for yourself and commit however much time is needed. Some people do exercises for an hour because it is time well invested. |
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Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:55 pm |
| Nonie aka AD wrote: |
| this is Tom in his 70's |
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:14 am |
Nonie aka AD, thank you so much for the recommendation. I checked Tom's website and he has given exactly how many times of each exercise he is doing as everyday routines. I agree with you, it is time worth spent.
By side cheeks, I meant the area between chin and bottom of ears. I don't know what it should be called. Do you know any FE works especially well for that area?
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StephneeBrn
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:37 am |
Hi,
I am not specialist in that topic but I think eating a gum is a good exercise and also keep smiling as you got a chance. |
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:34 am |
Chewing the food properly too helps but I think you also need to work the muscles with resistance too so they're not enough on their own.
| StephneeBrn wrote: |
Hi,
I am not specialist in that topic but I think eating a gum is a good exercise and also keep smiling as you got a chance. |
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:45 am |
| htian21 wrote: |
Nonie aka AD, thank you so much for the recommendation. I checked Tom's website and he has given exactly how many times of each exercise he is doing as everyday routines. I agree with you, it is time worth spent.
By side cheeks, I meant the area between chin and bottom of ears. I don't know what it should be called. Do you know any FE works especially well for that area?
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Do you mean the area I've circled in this image? 
Those are your jowls (singular: jowl, so really I've just circled one jowl here--but we since we have two, they are usually referred to in plural).
While I truly believe that doing a full program is the secret to getting a nice, balanced build to the entire face--which is why I suggested Tom's program since you wanted a short program--there's an exercise I first learned from Eva Fraser that I think is very effective:
* Sit in front of a mirror and tilt your head back slightly then jut your chin forward.
* Now lift your bottom teeth over your top lip (you'll need to slide the top lip down and under the teeth) and grip it with the teeth. Then lift your bottom lip as high as possible over the top lip that's being gripped covering your teeth stretching your lower lip as far up as possible. (You can also just place bottom lip as high as possible over top lip, but I think with the teeth grip the exercise works deeper).
* Holding that position (you should feel a stretch in your neck)...slowly smile in five slow movements aiming the corners of your mouth towards your temples. Make the smile as wide as possible upward. (You should feel a good pull in your neck, and jowls. Remember with the face, if the muscles get toned, the skin (which happens to be attached to them) will have a toned look too. So work it!
* Hold that final position for a count of five (go for the burn!) and then return slowly to the non-smiling position in five slow movements.
* Repeat the exercise 3 times.
The exercise is demonstrated on Eva Fraser's website at the link that appears directly below the diagram to the right on this page.
While many who've done this exercise report improvement in their chin, jawline, and jowls, I do think that one would get better results doing Eva's whole program to tone all muscles, so no loose saggy ones are pulling on toned ones and creating a weird outward appearance--especially since all the muscles are interconnected and their tone (or lack thereof) is what shows up on the outside as sag/wrinkles.
In this video clip, you can see how good Eva Fraser, who is in her 80's, looks from doing her entire program. |
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:01 am |
Nonie aka AD, you are so wonderful! Yes, that's the area I am talking about. Glad to learn the word for it.
I am going to get Eva's exercise DVD. She looks remarkable for her age! |
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:33 am |
| Another rap for Eva's program. I dont have any serious facial sag but at 40 my skin was starting to go south and look pouchy and just less firm. So far Ive only done the basic and basic plus of eva's program but results were really fast for me. My cheeks lifted in about 3 days, becoming firm and in turn disappearing the start of nasal folds, upper eyelids firmed and i got rid of the start of mouth pouches. Total investment in time is about 4mins a day. Been doingit for less than a month. |
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40, fine porcelain skin, tendency to pigmentation no other issues. Rosehip oil is the cornerstone of my skin care. |
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:06 am |
NotMeNotYou so nice to read your post and I am particularly thrilled to hear you have stayed with the basic and basic plus. I do think the longer you do the intro exercises, the better the foundation you lay and the longer the results you get last.
I was disappointed to learn from Sean that the new schedule has one move to intermediate after a couple of weeks or so. I really think that the original program schedule that gave Eva her results and gave me my results should never have been changed. I feel that many instructors change their programs depending on how their own faces respond, forgetting that newbies will not be starting off with the tone they have so may need to follow the same path they started with.
I love that Eva still has a beginner program. I just think if people did it for more than a couple of weeks, they would be much happier with their results. |
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:38 am |
Sorry but got to speak up here, having been to Eva’s studio for lessons and respecting her stuff I actually went to her centre at least 10 years ago, and at that time you went to her weekly when you had sessions, the beginners set of exercises was done for a week, and then the exercises were changed or modified to become harder (and it went like that over 4-6 weeks from memory – each week the exercises were made harder and harder). I’ve had friends who have gone there too and have followed the same plan as me, so I know it works. So this isn’t NEW to me and I suspect isn’t new to Eva’s method but it may be that in her videos or books she wrote it differently because of many reasons.
Eva’s been in the facial exercise business longer than most folks have and most programs do make small changes – take CFF’s brush exercise for example. It is not that the program was incorrect without the brush exercise, it is just an add on that Carolyn’s developed to compliment her existing program.
| Nonie aka AD wrote: |
NotMeNotYou so nice to read your post and I am particularly thrilled to hear you have stayed with the basic and basic plus. I do think the longer you do the intro exercises, the better the foundation you lay and the longer the results you get last.
I was disappointed to learn from Sean that the new schedule has one move to intermediate after a couple of weeks or so. I really think that the original program schedule that gave Eva her results and gave me my results should never have been changed. I feel that many instructors change their programs depending on how their own faces respond, forgetting that newbies will not be starting off with the tone they have so may need to follow the same path they started with.
I love that Eva still has a beginner program. I just think if people did it for more than a couple of weeks, they would be much happier with their results. |
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:27 am |
U m... TheresaMary, SeanySeanUK who happens to also know Eva is the one who told me that Eva has shortened the time the beginner program is to be done from how it was in the first book. And I know I didn't do the program for one or two weeks. So if it's being done for that short then that is a CHANGE to the original program.
What Carolyn does is ADD to the original program...leaving the original program as it was because THAT is the program she tested and decided gave good results, so why change a good thing? She is always doing research so she continues to ADD to it...leaving the original program so that others too can start off with it, then add on the bonus exercises later if they want.
If I am to guess, Eva's wrote the program in the first book the way she did it then and believed it should be done. Her new schedule is what she finds effective now except now is AFTER her face has already achieved tone. And that IMO makes a difference. |
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:12 am |
Nonie aka AD the program hasn’t been shortened as such, and I’m curious as to why you say it has. I had my sessions with her 10 years ago and it was done on that same basis of doing one set of exercises for a week (without resistance) and then the 2nd week she adapted some with resistance, and the 3rd week she did the same and so forth. So its not being CHANGED as such – maybe the book is different, but from what I know of her that’s the way its been taught at her centre for some time. A friend is one of her trainers and I’ll ask her when I next see her and see what she says.
Likewise I’m sure Eva tests her stuff and the good results she gets with people is based on that. Perhaps with the book, and without physical demonstration of the exercises, it was decided to allow people a longer beginning session, but I know from the live sessions I had with her, they were short sessions and I’d recommend anyone who has the opportunity to do sessions with her or Marion or any of the other teachers to do so because they are inspiring examples to me and others!
| Nonie aka AD wrote: |
Um... TheresaMary, SeanySeanUK who happens to also know Eva is the one who told me that Eva has shortened the time the beginner program is to be done from how it was in the first book. And I know I didn't do the program for one or two weeks. So if it's being done for that short then that is a CHANGE to the original program.
What Carolyn does is ADD to the original program...leaving the original program as it was because THAT is the program she tested and decided gave good results, so why change a good thing? She is always doing research so she continues to ADD to it...leaving the original program so that others too can start off with it, then add on the bonus exercises later if they want.
If I am to guess, Eva's wrote the program in the first book the way she did it then and believed it should be done. Her new schedule is what she finds effective now except now is AFTER her face has already achieved tone. And that IMO makes a difference. |
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:15 pm |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
Nonie aka AD the program hasn’t been shortened as such, and I’m curious as to why you say it has. I had my sessions with her 10 years ago and it was done on that same basis of doing one set of exercises for a week (without resistance) and then the 2nd week she adapted some with resistance, and the 3rd week she did the same and so forth. So its not being CHANGED as such – maybe the book is different, but from what I know of her that’s the way its been taught at her centre for some time. A friend is one of her trainers and I’ll ask her when I next see her and see what she says.
Likewise I’m sure Eva tests her stuff and the good results she gets with people is based on that. Perhaps with the book, and without physical demonstration of the exercises, it was decided to allow people a longer beginning session, but I know from the live sessions I had with her, they were short sessions and I’d recommend anyone who has the opportunity to do sessions with her or Marion or any of the other teachers to do so because they are inspiring examples to me and others!
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You just answered your own question, plus I already said why I said that, but coz you seem to have missed it, I'll repeat myself.
When I was telling people that I believe in starting slowly and then adding resistance later, Sean joined that discussion--or it could have been another one--and told us that you only need do Beginner for a short while (a couple of weeks or so). I don't remember it being that short. He then told me that the first book had it longer and that it isn't that long now. So that's why I say it's shorter.
Another thing, my friend bought the DVD in 2003 or thereabouts and I watched it. It shows fewer exercises than I remember being in the book. Also, the exercise for the lower lid never used to have fingers placed on the face...and there were other little nuances that I didn't see being emphasized. Weren't there also variations of doing that exercise? All those not on the DVD--not sure if in book.
So yeah...the program looked shorter in the DVD and Sean confirmed it was shorter. That's WHY I say it is shorter. Maybe not by much, but IMO enough to make a difference.
I don't know if you have seen me mention that I dabbled in shape training and changed what used to be a cone shape into somewhat an hourglass shape. So I do think I know a little bit about how muscles respond and that you can achieve so much by going easy and going easy for long. Even at 15 lbs heavier than my ideal, the largest my waist ever got to was 26 inches. It's usually at 25.5...and at my ideal I'm sure it's smaller but I usually don't take measurements. The only reason I know these dimensions is in a discussion I was involved in once, someone wanted to know whether it's possible to get a 24 inch waist if you have had a waist bigger than that, and we were asked to share our measurements. Otherwise, I find that my eyes are all I need to know if I am happy with my body or not. The numbers don't tell me much. I know years of Yoga and stretches and not letting myself get bored with the reps and rushing to the next "promising workout" is why I am able to get away w/o working out for a long time--because I have created this foundation and muscle memory that seems to hold onto what I've done in the past and not let go fast. And I used some of that logic when it came to face exercises. I figured jumping to advanced before I let the beginner program do its most would not give me great results and now, I can get away with weeks of not working out--and I'm no longer in my 20's. It's as if the longer you do a program, the harder it is for those results to be undone. So why rush to new things?
So I don't just tell people to do the beginner workout for a long spell before advancing just to be funny or a rebel. I do know how well this works. Yogis do the same movements day in day out. They may get more flexible and add more movements, but they don't stop doing the "beginner" exercises and fully replace them with others. And how beautiful their bodies are. And how long they seem to be able to maintain that beauty...and health!
ETA: I am sure Eva tests her program on others. But to be honest, I don't know many people who are as proud to post photos from her program as I am. And my friends who love her program are the ones who listened to me and got her first book and then went slow. One of my friend was in a hurry to do the bonus exercises as they address specific parts and got frustrated. I suggested she contact Eva's team as they will be able to address her concerns but she was told do the exercises she feels she needs. (I was a bit disappointed with that too, coz I wouldn't know what I needed even with my many years of face exercises.) It took my imploring that she focus on the core beginner workout for a few months and worry about fixing certain parts later to have her finally listen to me and now she is so happy. Ironically, when I followed her first book, I NEVER needed to consult with her. It was so straightforward and the results were so good, that I was able to fly alone.
Anyway, if you like the program as it is, good for you. I just share what I share because I get PMs asking me to tell people more--particularly because I have a long history of doing the program exclusively--and I figure if they are interested in knowing what I think, why not put it out here for others who might also care. It's good you share your point of view too, and we don't have to agree...so no need to keep going back and forth on this. |
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