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Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:48 pm  |
the twin on the right has been getting botox 2-3 times per year ever since late 20's. The twin on the left never had botox. They are both 38 yrs old in that photo. |
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Late 20's, clarisonic, Vit C serum, hormonal acne, congested pores, combination skin, living in Vancouver Canada |
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:08 pm |
Wow! If I am looking at these pics correctly, then the twin who has never had botox looks younger!? omg!  |
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:34 pm |
| I wish they had identical head placement and lighting. I feel like the right one looks more polished and the left one looks younger. |
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:33 pm |
Long-Term Effects of Botulinum Toxin Type A (Botox) on Facial Lines
A Comparison in Identical Twins
William J. Binder, MD
Arch Facial Plast Surg. 2006;8:426-431
Abstract
Objective To evaluate the presence of imprinted facial lines in identical twin sisters, one of whom had received botulinum toxin type A (Botox) treatment in the forehead and glabellar region regularly for 13 years and one of whom had not. Crow's feet were also compared.
Methods One twin received Botox in the forehead and glabellar region (approximately 2 to 3 times each year over the past 13 years) and in the crow's feet (twice in past 2 years). Her twin received Botox only twice (in the forehead and glabellar region, 3 and 7 years ago).
Results Imprinted forehead and glabellar lines were not evident in the regularly treated twin but were evident in the minimally treated twin. Crow's feet were less noticeable when the regularly treated twin smiled (even at 7 months after treatment) than when the minimally treated twin smiled. Untreated facial areas (eg, nasolabial folds) showed comparable aging in both twins. Neither twin experienced adverse effects.
Conclusions Long-term treatment with Botox can prevent the development of imprinted facial lines that are visible at rest. Botox treatment can also reduce crow's feet. Treatment is well tolerated, with no adverse events reported during 13 years of regular treatment in this study.
More photos and information here:
http://externalaffairs.ca/injectables/binder-study
BTW, they are 38 years old at the time of the study (2006) |
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Born 1953; Blonde-Blue; Normal skin |
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:51 pm |
| Interesting. It does seem the 'best' effects of botox are for long-term prevention of lines and wrinkles as evidenced here. All that injecting would get mighty expensive over time. |
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Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:43 pm |
| Very interesting. Looks like the untreated twin also didn't use SPF much. |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:29 am |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| Interesting. It does seem the 'best' effects of botox are for long-term prevention of lines and wrinkles as evidenced here. All that injecting would get mighty expensive over time. |
That's true - but Botox prices are coming down. Meanwhile hairdressing prices are going up. The average cut and colour here costs around $250.00 - so if you get that done every six weeks you're shelling out much more than for Botox. |
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Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:28 am |
Actually, I think the one on the right looks younger (check out the eyes, specifically lids).
The one on the left appears to not have used sunscreen.
BFG |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:33 am |
I think it's global:
education, energy, transportation and labor haircutting as a good example) costs are rising rather rapidly and the cost of goods are flat or decreasing - depending on how heavy they are to ship.
It's rather alarming to me, actually - but back to the main topic -
Yes, Botox prices are coming down. Thankfully, I am able to pay only about $8 USD per unit.
BFG |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:20 am |
Funny, I thought the one on the right has more radiance to her face and did look younger.
I thought I paid a lot for highlights/lowlights/cut at 165.00 including tip, but that now sounds like a bargain. I was paying 225.00 at Aveda and was not impressed, never could get the blond right.
I wish botox here was 8.00! Right now its anywhere from 9.00 on special to average at 11.50 per unit, blah! I am needing to go in and have my 11's and crows feet,maybe a touch in the forhead. If I walk around frowning enough, maybe the hubby will send me! Seriously, it has gotten expensive. |
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Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:30 am |
| Aside from the more open eyes of the botox user and more radiant skin, I see no other differences. If you gave the non-botox user some good cover up and foundation, better lighting and filled in her eyebrows, her skin could look just like her sister's. |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:56 am |
here are some more images
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Late 20's, clarisonic, Vit C serum, hormonal acne, congested pores, combination skin, living in Vancouver Canada |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:38 am |
I think the twin on the right looks quite a bit better!!
I have an appointment to go for botox for the first time the end of March, I am excited and nervous!  |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:46 am |
| lipglossdoll wrote: |
| I think the twin on the right looks quite a bit better!! |
That is what my eyes see as well...glad it isn't just me!  |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:15 am |
| The pictures are flattering for botox twin. |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:22 pm |
wow the twin on the right does look amazing.
SOLD! Im gonna get botox! |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:07 pm |
| wow, the twin on the right looks way younger. Her skin looks so much smoother. Yay for botox! I love it. |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:40 pm |
yes the twin on the right had botox....
I'm turning 27 yrs old. I look at my mom and she has upper lid hooding happening. I know it's in my genes and i can even notice the slightest droopiness forming on my upper lids. I am wondering if i should start getting small amounts of botox to help delay the signs of aging from taking a look at these two twins you can see that the twin without botox has more upper lid hooding than the twin with botox.
What are all your suggestions on a young person getting botox? |
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Late 20's, clarisonic, Vit C serum, hormonal acne, congested pores, combination skin, living in Vancouver Canada |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:13 pm |
Not sure that's a fair comparison, as most of the differences between the two appear not to be from botox.
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* the twin on the left (no botox) has way more sun damage
* the twin on the right (botox) has more full eyebrows, which is known to make people look younger
* the twin on the right (botox) has her lips open in a pert position
* the lighting shadows are more favorable on twin on the right, perfectly hitting the places you want to highlight and contouring the places you want to contour.
* the twin on the left looks like her entire face is losing volume and sagging faster--i.e., she is just naturally losing facial fullness and perkiness faster. For example, I can see that the focal point of the cheeks is lower on the non-botox twin (probably due to both loss of volume and droop) and her under-eye area is thinning faster. Also, the botox twin has less fullness in the buccal area, which brings out her cheekbones even more.
What's interesting to me is that if I subtract off these changes, I'm not sure that botox has produced more than a small effect. I mean you would expect that botox should prevent the eleven lines, forehead lines, and prevent the eyebrows from sitting lower on the forehead. The eleven lines are fainter in the botox twin, but that's not what I think ages the non-botox twin the most. However, the height of eyebrows above the eyes appears to be similar in both women, though you would expect the one with botox to have better lift in the eyebrows, but I don't see it. Now the big difference I do see is that the twin on the left (no botox) has significantly worse eye hooding than the one on the right. But looking further, its hard for me to tell is that the result of no botox or just aging faster or both, as the non-botox twin is losing volume faster in her entire face and slight sagging is just starting to happen. So at the end of the day, it seems like a majority of changes are not due to lack of botox but to her lifestyle, environmental, and photography factors. |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:34 pm |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
[i]Long-Term Effects of Botulinum Toxin Type A (Botox) on Facial Lines
A Comparison in Identical Twins
William J. Binder, MD
Arch Facial Plast Surg. 2006;8:426-431
More photos and information here:
http://externalaffairs.ca/injectables/binder-study
BTW, they are 38 years old at the time of the study (2006) |
What?? I just read the study. I can't believe that this was published; there is only ONE set of twins and there are no controls or mention of differences in lifestyle or other factors between the two. And on top of that, Dr. Binder has a financial conflict of interest, as he receives renumeration from Allergan, the makers of Botox. |
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34 y.o. FlexEffect and massage. Love experimenting with DIY and botanical skin care products. Appreciate both hard science and natural approaches. Eat green smoothies + lots of raw fruit and veggies. |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:11 pm |
Thank you CM for summing up what I thought I noticed. The whole thing looks more like an advertorial than a serious study to me.
The eyebrow thing especially is easily noticeable. Also, the botox twin has some eye make up on, and possibly more than that, where the natural twin is bare.
And the way they laugh to show off their crow's feet - the botox twin does not move her mouth as much as the natural one, should she make the exact same movement in her face the difference in wrinkling would be way less.
Everyone who wants to do botox should do it. But muscle movement is only one relatively small factor in ageing. For hooding of the eyelids you could just as easily do facial exercise, the eyes usually are very quick to respond to that. |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:23 pm |
| cm5597 wrote: |
* the twin on the right (botox) has more full eyebrows, which is known to make people look younger
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I never heard that full eyebrows make you look younger. I guess it makes sense.
You bring up a lot of valid points regarding these photos cm5597. |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:57 pm |
| Lotusesther wrote: |
[1] The whole thing looks more like an advertorial than a serious study to me....
[2] Also, the botox twin has some eye make up on, and possibly more than that, where the natural twin is bare.
[3] And the way they laugh to show off their crow's feet - the botox twin does not move her mouth as much as the natural one, should she make the exact same movement in her face the difference in wrinkling would be way less.
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Totally agree on all three points. People should be given a more realistic picture of what can and cannot be achieved using botox by controlling for these and the other major obvious factors...rather than presenting the photos as if ALL the changes were due to botox... |
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34 y.o. FlexEffect and massage. Love experimenting with DIY and botanical skin care products. Appreciate both hard science and natural approaches. Eat green smoothies + lots of raw fruit and veggies. |
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:08 pm |
yes it is true that so many factors can come into play with this study of "botox twins".
Lighting, make-up, sun damage, whether or not the twin on the right had other types of "work" done that is not mentioned (eg/ mini facelift, fillers, IPL's etc) that the other twin didn't have. |
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Late 20's, clarisonic, Vit C serum, hormonal acne, congested pores, combination skin, living in Vancouver Canada |
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Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:02 am |
Its like when I look at photos of myself before and after. I don't like the lift of the eyebrows when I get botox in the 11's, it gives an unnatural surprised look on me so the doc does it VERY subtle, just enough to look RESTED.
The same with my crows feet and ESPECIALLY my forehead. If done too much, it causes my brows to actually lower too much and gives the angry cat look!  All that is very carefully controlled thru my docs experience and my own experience/personal preference. Everyone has an opinion of the results they want or need to achieve for sure.
Mine are subtle, rested and NOT obvious. Helps to prevent lines, wrinkles but doesn't give me that over-botoxed effect that is extremely tell-tale! As it wears off, it also more natural. |
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Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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