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Sat May 26, 2012 10:54 am  |
| That does look really nice though. How long have you been using it? |
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Sat May 26, 2012 10:57 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
| I've been using this product for a few days: |
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Sat May 26, 2012 11:07 am |
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If you make, first do no harm, your Law, you will never strike the first blow and will be known as a man of peace who can fight like ten tigers, a Human in the act of Being. There is no greater rank than this. Ashida Kim on War.~Cellese~AnteAge Serum and Accelerator, DermaRoller ,MyFawnie AA2G serum, KNN G ForceUltrasound., SEA, ChrySun 25% ZnO |
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Sat May 26, 2012 11:16 am |
DrJ's comment on it was that 60 mg of liposomal soy isoflavones was overkill...but I would think too much, in this case, may not be detrimental?
Last night, I did end up mixing it with my topical progesterone, making a 50/50 split as an experiment.
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Sat May 26, 2012 11:17 am |
| DragoN, I was trying find the lipobelle actives they have several couple of years ago but no luck; are you planning to have em on your website?! Also, I apologizes in advance as this is not related to the topic of this thread, but what do you think of that functional keratin from some australian wool? I think lipobelle company makes that too... Thanks |
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Sat May 26, 2012 11:27 am |
Lipbelle?
That would be like sleeping with the enemy. |
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If you make, first do no harm, your Law, you will never strike the first blow and will be known as a man of peace who can fight like ten tigers, a Human in the act of Being. There is no greater rank than this. Ashida Kim on War.~Cellese~AnteAge Serum and Accelerator, DermaRoller ,MyFawnie AA2G serum, KNN G ForceUltrasound., SEA, ChrySun 25% ZnO |
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Sat May 26, 2012 11:31 am |
| DragoN wrote: |
Lipbelle?
That would be like sleeping with the enemy. |
lol... I guess i misunderstood your post where you mentioned lipobelle soy isoflavones... |
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Sat May 26, 2012 11:43 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
| DrJ's comment on it was that 60 mg of liposomal soy isoflavones was overkill...but I would think too much, in this case, may not be detrimental? |
He's right. Huge overkill. I don't believe they read the pdf correctly, because had they...that would not be the numbers.  not by a long shot
After a certain point...you get cellular death. So..it's pretty funny to see that being used as a selling point. But what do I know? |
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If you make, first do no harm, your Law, you will never strike the first blow and will be known as a man of peace who can fight like ten tigers, a Human in the act of Being. There is no greater rank than this. Ashida Kim on War.~Cellese~AnteAge Serum and Accelerator, DermaRoller ,MyFawnie AA2G serum, KNN G ForceUltrasound., SEA, ChrySun 25% ZnO |
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:47 am |
Does anyone know if I could add soy isoflavones to a DIY spritz? I'm wanting it for soothing/lightening/collagen stimulating properties and soy is good for my rosacea. I'm specifically talking about the 40% soy isoflavones from bulkactives. It says it's water soluble. But then people say it stinks.  I've seen the 98% genistein on sea, but I'm not sure that would have the same lightening/soothing properties. (From what I've read, it seems genistein is more just for collagen stimulating?) |
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:53 am |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| Does anyone know if I could add soy isoflavones to a DIY spritz? I'm wanting it for soothing/lightening/collagen stimulating properties and soy is good for my rosacea. I'm specifically talking about the 40% soy isoflavones from bulkactives. It says it's water soluble. But then people say it stinks. I've seen the 98% genistein on sea, but I'm not sure that would have the same lightening/soothing properties. (From what I've read, it seems genistein is more just for collagen stimulating?) |
Can you tolerate some calming essential oils to cover the smell?
You would just need to shake your spritz before each use! |
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:49 pm |
Thanks DM! Does it really stink that bad?  lol. I think I could add chamomile essential oil.. Chamomile is great for my rosacea, I don't know if it would be enough! Would I need an emulsifier then? (I was planning on getting some lecithin anyhow!) |
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:05 pm |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| Thanks DM! Does it really stink that bad? lol. I think I could add chamomile essential oil.. Chamomile is great for my rosacea, I don't know if it would be enough! Would I need an emulsifier then? (I was planning on getting some lecithin anyhow!) |
I don't use soy estrogenic effects (I am very cautious) so I can't speak to how it smells personally, just have read it smells bad! 
You can add an emulsifier or just a little vodka and the EO's will incorporate beautifully! Chamomile is excellent for calming skin!
The lecithin might cause clogging depending on how much you were to add? |
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:32 pm |
| Really? I didn't know lecithin could cause breakouts. Alcohol is something I am confused about. I think I read Paula Begoun and others say it can cause cell death and it's very bad for skin. So I'm always really confused when I see people use it in DIY. I don't understand how it's safe to use. I'm even nervous to use alcohol to disinfect my bottles lol! |
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:38 pm |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| Really? I didn't know lecithin could cause breakouts. Alcohol is something I am confused about. I think I read Paula Begoun and others say it can cause cell death and it's very bad for skin. So I'm always really confused when I see people use it in DIY. I don't understand how it's safe to use. I'm even nervous to use alcohol to disinfect my bottles lol! |
I use lecithin at about 5% and I am fine, no breakouts but then again I almost never get breakout... alcohol should be fine at lower % like around 5% or so, I have it in my DIY at about 5%, but use pure alcohol and not denatured, like a 96% drinking alcohol, I use the brand Spirytus Wesoly... in fact many organic skincare products contain approx 15% alcohol as a preservative... I have used DIY with and without alcohol and I prefer it with alcohol as it helps dissolve actives and improves the texture of the product as well.... |
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Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:39 pm |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| Really? I didn't know lecithin could cause breakouts. Alcohol is something I am confused about. I think I read Paula Begoun and others say it can cause cell death and it's very bad for skin. So I'm always really confused when I see people use it in DIY. I don't understand how it's safe to use. I'm even nervous to use alcohol to disinfect my bottles lol! |
I meant clog the nozzle of your sprayer, sorry!
I would just use the shake before use method to disperse the EO's rather than risk any alcohol if it concerns you! 
Now using it to disinfect bottles it drys off and does not leave a trace! |
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:24 am |
Thank you daler! I'm still nervous about using alcohol though. It's so bad for skin, but even Kassy even uses vodka to dissolve the Ferulic in her C serums! I'm so confused! 
| DarkMoon wrote: |
I meant clog the nozzle of your sprayer, sorry!
I would just use the shake before use method to disperse the EO's rather than risk any alcohol if it concerns you!
Now using it to disinfect bottles it drys off and does not leave a trace! |
Oh lol! Ok. I know there are other emulsifiers, like polysorbate 80 which many seem to use.
How do people use soy isoflavones in DIY if it stinks? Just by scenting it? I'm not sure the 98% Genistein would have the same lightening/soothing properties of a lesser isoflavone content soy. Currently reading and researching my arse off lol. |
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:10 pm |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| Does anyone know if I could add soy isoflavones to a DIY spritz? I'm wanting it for soothing/lightening/collagen stimulating properties and soy is good for my rosacea. I'm specifically talking about the 40% soy isoflavones from bulkactives. It says it's water soluble. But then people say it stinks. I've seen the 98% genistein on sea, but I'm not sure that would have the same lightening/soothing properties. (From what I've read, it seems genistein is more just for collagen stimulating?) |
Genistein is the primary active component in soy isoflavones which is known for its ability to weakly bind estrogen receptors.
Lipobelle Soyaglycone is a phytohormone preparation based on isoflavones from soy with a high concentration of pure Genistein.
Lipobelle Soyaglycone contains pure soy isoflavones (INCI) in the physiologically active forms (called aglycones). For delivery into deeper viable skin layers (the dermis), the isoflavones have been incorporated into a liposomal preparation. In the dermis, the isoflavones boost collagen production, which leads to increased skin density and improved skin firmness and elasticity.
http://cosmeticbaz.tripod.com/soya.htm
So it just depends on which you can get your hands on. You can make liposomes of most anything so you wouldnt necessarily need to buy the higher priced ingredient. |
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:29 pm |
| Fawnie, how do you make liposomes in, say, a kitchen? |
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:43 pm |
| Lotusesther wrote: |
| Fawnie, how do you make liposomes in, say, a kitchen? |
Or right on this forum, more on the thread linked:
DIY ***Liposome*** Actives!!!
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=32624
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For those seeking DIY liposome-actives I have sourced two very popular anti-aging ingredients that support this popular technology - Coenzyme-10 & Lacto-Ceramide. I have not tired these particular liposome-actives personally, but hope other DIY formulators will be inspired to give them a try! (Kassy I had you in mind here, girl!!!!  ).
The company selling these actives is called Making Cosmetics -www.makingcosmetics.com/Actives-Cosmeceuticals/Liposomes-c9/
These actives are not cheap by any means and this is because you need so little of them in a formulation, so a small amount goes a long way.
If anyone knows of any other online e-tailer that sells liposome-actives, please post your source(s) in this thread!!!
Here is a very brief excerpt regarding "liposomes" and why they are so desirable.
"Liposomes are nano-sized liposome particles resembling biomembranes and have a very high affinity for the skin. They can easily penetrate through the hard horny layer of the skin. Based on this feature, active ingredients can be incorporated into liposomes to enhance their absorption by the skin and thus their efficacy. In fact, liposome-encapsulation largely reduces the amount of the active ingredient required for effectiveness as compared to non-encapsulated, pure active ingredients." |
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Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:58 pm |
axshully no.
Liposomes are v fragile creatures and would not last long pre-made and packaged.
You need to make them yourself incorporating the actives into them as you go. |
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:10 am |
| fawnie wrote: |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| Does anyone know if I could add soy isoflavones to a DIY spritz? I'm wanting it for soothing/lightening/collagen stimulating properties and soy is good for my rosacea. I'm specifically talking about the 40% soy isoflavones from bulkactives. It says it's water soluble. But then people say it stinks. I've seen the 98% genistein on sea, but I'm not sure that would have the same lightening/soothing properties. (From what I've read, it seems genistein is more just for collagen stimulating?) |
Genistein is the primary active component in soy isoflavones which is known for its ability to weakly bind estrogen receptors.
Lipobelle Soyaglycone is a phytohormone preparation based on isoflavones from soy with a high concentration of pure Genistein.
Lipobelle Soyaglycone contains pure soy isoflavones (INCI) in the physiologically active forms (called aglycones). For delivery into deeper viable skin layers (the dermis), the isoflavones have been incorporated into a liposomal preparation. In the dermis, the isoflavones boost collagen production, which leads to increased skin density and improved skin firmness and elasticity.
http://cosmeticbaz.tripod.com/soya.htm
So it just depends on which you can get your hands on. You can make liposomes of most anything so you wouldn't necessarily need to buy the higher priced ingredient. |
Thank you fawnie! I am aware of what Genistein does, but what I am after with the soy is a lightening, soothing AND collagen stimulating effect. (Rather than just the collagen stimulating effect of Genistein.) Unless I am mistaken and the Genistein also lightens/soothes. But I'm thinking it doesn't and I'd be better off with the 40% soy isoflavones for the benefits I'm after. But people say it stinks. I'd really like to add soy isoflavones to my DIY antioxidant spritz. Do you think that would work fawnie? |
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:14 am |
About clogged nozzles: I am still sometimes getting this with my serums and perfumes.
How best to unclog a nozzle? I was thinking of keeping one spray bottle of plain grain alcohol and using that to clear out my nozzles?
BFG |
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:17 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
About clogged nozzles: I am still sometimes getting this with my serums and perfumes.
How best to unclog a nozzle? I was thinking of keeping one spray bottle of plain grain alcohol and using that to clear out my nozzles?
BFG |
Thats a great idea, I just run clogged nozzles under hot water, seems to work fine! |
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