$100 to spend on facial device?
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free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:51 am

I know it's not much but I'm wondering if there's anything worthwhile. I'm 55 and leaning toward something that will help with texture and firming, LED or dermabrasion?

Sorry if this double posted.

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:54 am

Lorraineg57 wrote:

I know it's not much but I'm wondering if there's anything worthwhile. I'm 55 and leaning toward something that will help with texture and firming, LED or dermabrasion?

Sorry if this double posted.

I have the PMD and the LightStim and I would have a very hard time making that choice! Smile

On shop NBC the PMD is in your 100$ price range, and LED I am thinking is going to be more unless you find a deal on ebay?

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:55 am

What gadgets do you already have, if anything? Do you have any dermarollers? Dermabrasion doesn't do anything you can't achieve with light acid peels AFAIK - certain acids also stimulate collagen production and/ or ceramide production so they work double duty and can be diluted yourself for cheap.

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:04 am

I highly doubt you'll find a quality LED for $100. And even if you did, it's an ongoing committment of your time, to reach and attain your skin goals. (The aging process never stops as long as we are still breathing, so to keep it at bay, you need to be committed to an overall beneficial skin care regime. (IMHO!)

Have a look at the "Small Face Vaculifter" from NCN.. It's $78. and works wonderfully for subtle firming and also skin texture improvements...

http://ncnskincare.com/rejuvenating-tools-c-7/vaculifter-face-small-p-95

Getting oxygen rich blood to the skins surface regularly, will yield lovely and noticable improvements fairly quickly. (Be realistic in your goals, and I don't think you'll be disappointed.)

There's a thread on the subject, but I'll be darned if I could find it .. Embarassed

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:21 am

Kassy_A wrote:

I highly doubt you'll find a quality LED for $100. And even if you did, it's an ongoing committment of your time, to reach and attain your skin goals. (The aging process never stops as long as we are still breathing, so to keep it at bay, you need to be committed to an overall beneficial skin care regime. (IMHO!)

Have a look at the "Small Face Vaculifter" from NCN.. It's $78. and works wonderfully for subtle firming and also skin texture improvements...

http://ncnskincare.com/rejuvenating-tools-c-7/vaculifter-face-small-p-95

Getting oxygen rich blood to the skins surface regularly, will yield lovely and noticable improvements fairly quickly. (Be realistic in your goals, and I don't think you'll be disappointed.)

There's a thread on the subject, but I'll be darned if I could find it .. Embarassed

Another lemming for me Kassy! Laughing

Is this the thread?

Vaculifter - what are your comments?

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=30322

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:27 am

Yes! That's the one DM, thanks for finding it.

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:38 am

Kassy_A wrote:

Yes! That's the one DM, thanks for finding it.

You are welcome! Very Happy

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:32 pm

Thanks so much for the prompt replies! I looked at the vaculift and for a second couldn't think of what it reminded me of. Then it hit me...the Reynolds handi-vac that I used to have to suction the air out of freezer bags!

I'll be researching this little device more....I like the idea that it can be used on the neck with no thyroid issues as my neck can use some help. thanks!

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:05 pm

I currently have no gadgets btw....

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:41 am

Firefox7275 wrote:

What gadgets do you already have, if anything? Do you have any dermarollers? Dermabrasion doesn't do anything you can't achieve with light acid peels AFAIK - certain acids also stimulate collagen production and/ or ceramide production so they work double duty and can be diluted yourself for cheap.

I have used many different kind of acids peels, including, glycolic, lactic, salicylic and even TCA peels. I shed skin like crazy for days with TCA peels , however PMD is different and is a very good buy.... I prefer PMD to any acids, however I would be using both, but not at the same time, unlike some gutsy ladies on here!!!

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:47 am

Lorraineg57 wrote:

I know it's not much but I'm wondering if there's anything worthwhile. I'm 55 and leaning toward something that will help with texture and firming, LED or dermabrasion?

Sorry if this double posted.

Hi Lorraineg57 I would say if you want to improve texture, go for PMD, and if you want firming go for a vaculifter... these are 2 very nice lil gadgets are for around n under $100... PMD can also increase firmness and vaculifter can also improve texture but I would think primarily PMD would improve texture and VL would improve firmness... I have both of these and like em lots!

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:52 am

daler wrote:

Lorraineg57 wrote:

I know it's not much but I'm wondering if there's anything worthwhile. I'm 55 and leaning toward something that will help with texture and firming, LED or dermabrasion?

Sorry if this double posted.

Hi Lorraineg57 I would say if you want to improve texture, go for PMD, and if you want firming go for a vaculifter... these are 2 very nice lil gadgets are for around n under $100... PMD can also increase firmness and vaculifter can also improve texture but I would think primarily PMD would improve texture and VL would improve firmness... I have both of these and like em lots!

Great advice daler, I love the PMD and even though I am not dealing with a lack of firmness (yet) I am seriously wanting the vaculifter! I want to keep that firm skin firm!

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:57 am

DarkMoon wrote:

daler wrote:

Lorraineg57 wrote:

I know it's not much but I'm wondering if there's anything worthwhile. I'm 55 and leaning toward something that will help with texture and firming, LED or dermabrasion?

Sorry if this double posted.

Hi Lorraineg57 I would say if you want to improve texture, go for PMD, and if you want firming go for a vaculifter... these are 2 very nice lil gadgets are for around n under $100... PMD can also increase firmness and vaculifter can also improve texture but I would think primarily PMD would improve texture and VL would improve firmness... I have both of these and like em lots!

Great advice daler, I love the PMD and even though I am not dealing with a lack of firmness (yet) I am seriously wanting the vaculifter! I want to keep that firm skin firm!

DarkMoon, I m sure you wont regret a VL purchase.. it's like anything else, you can really pull your skin with it which should result in firmer skin unless it's over done...

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:58 am

Thanks for more input! Where do you gals think the dermaroller would fall as far as improved texture/firmness?

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:59 am

daler wrote:

DarkMoon wrote:

daler wrote:

Lorraineg57 wrote:

I know it's not much but I'm wondering if there's anything worthwhile. I'm 55 and leaning toward something that will help with texture and firming, LED or dermabrasion?

Sorry if this double posted.

Hi Lorraineg57 I would say if you want to improve texture, go for PMD, and if you want firming go for a vaculifter... these are 2 very nice lil gadgets are for around n under $100... PMD can also increase firmness and vaculifter can also improve texture but I would think primarily PMD would improve texture and VL would improve firmness... I have both of these and like em lots!

Great advice daler, I love the PMD and even though I am not dealing with a lack of firmness (yet) I am seriously wanting the vaculifter! I want to keep that firm skin firm!

DarkMoon, I m sure you wont regret a VL purchase.. it's like anything else, you can really pull your skin with it which should result in firmer skin unless it's over done...

LOL I am sure it will end up in my collection soon daler! It just sounds too good to pass on!!!! Wink

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:41 pm

Hands down, I would purchase a dermaroller before anything else. The clinical results speak for themselves.

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:16 pm

bethany wrote:

Hands down, I would purchase a dermaroller before anything else. The clinical results speak for themselves.

I haven't used mine yet but after all the reading I will be doing mine soon, I have 3 sizes now! Laughing

.2mm .5mm and 1mm.......Baby Steps! Laughing

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:06 pm

Lorraineg57 wrote:

Thanks for more input! Where do you gals think the dermaroller would fall as far as improved texture/firmness?

Dermarolling can be used to improve many of the signs of ageing. At 55 IMO you want something that works at a deeper level than microdermabrasion.
http://www.acaciadermacare.com/upload/docs/PCI%20-%20Plastic%20Surgery%20Journal%20-%20April%202008.pdf
http://www.dermogenesis.com/roll-cit/Clinics_of_N_Am_2005.pdf

free skin care · Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:19 pm

Firefox7275 wrote:

Lorraineg57 wrote:

Thanks for more input! Where do you gals think the dermaroller would fall as far as improved texture/firmness?

Dermarolling can be used to improve many of the signs of ageing. At 55 IMO you want something that works at a deeper level than microdermabrasion.
http://www.acaciadermacare.com/upload/docs/PCI%20-%20Plastic%20Surgery%20Journal%20-%20April%202008.pdf
http://www.dermogenesis.com/roll-cit/Clinics_of_N_Am_2005.pdf

The dermaroller kind of scares me. Not the smaller needle ones that can be used more frequently but the 1.5mm that can only be used once a month. 55 is a good price but for the ones that can be used frequently...if I have to replace it monthly, that's going to be an issue.

free skin care · Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:28 pm

Lorraineg57 wrote:

Firefox7275 wrote:

Lorraineg57 wrote:

Thanks for more input! Where do you gals think the dermaroller would fall as far as improved texture/firmness?

Dermarolling can be used to improve many of the signs of ageing. At 55 IMO you want something that works at a deeper level than microdermabrasion.
http://www.acaciadermacare.com/upload/docs/PCI%20-%20Plastic%20Surgery%20Journal%20-%20April%202008.pdf
http://www.dermogenesis.com/roll-cit/Clinics_of_N_Am_2005.pdf

The dermaroller kind of scares me. Not the smaller needle ones that can be used more frequently but the 1.5mm that can only be used once a month. 55 is a good price but for the ones that can be used frequently...if I have to replace it monthly, that's going to be an issue.

I am getting ready to start rolling and I will not go over the 1mm. and that no way more often than once every 4-6 weeks, probably the 6 weeks! Smile

free skin care · Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:41 pm

Lorraineg57 wrote:

The dermaroller kind of scares me. Not the smaller needle ones that can be used more frequently but the 1.5mm that can only be used once a month. 55 is a good price but for the ones that can be used frequently...if I have to replace it monthly, that's going to be an issue.

Many of us started out with an 0.5mm and progressed - that REALLY helped me with the fear factor. I don't think I'd ever have gotten started if I'd bought one with longer needles first! Laughing

Some of us moved onto 1mm others onto 1.5mm, personal choice depending on your skin and how deep you feel the damage you want to address is. The funny thing is I now roll my whole forehead without any topical anaesthetic, and it really is not that bad because the needles are so fine (max 0.25mm, point is even finer) and the process is so quick.

A roller should last many, many months of weekly or monthly use - depending on your regimen - providing you purchase a decent quality one and take good care of it (soften skin first, careful cleansing and sterilising). OwnDoc sell decent rollers for just $29 plus modest postage and have excellent after sales service, so is a favourite with EDSers. Also great *free* guidance
http://owndoc.com/dermarolling/dermaroller-review/
http://dermaroller.owndoc.com/dermaroller-instructions.pdf
Obviously up to you but with your goals and budget, IMO a couple of dermarollers cannot be beaten. Very Happy

As Bethany says, the clinical results are convincing - she has reposted more reading matter on the last page of the main dermaroller thread if you want to be bamboozled!

free skin care · Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:14 pm

Lorraineg57 wrote:

The dermaroller kind of scares me. Not the smaller needle ones that can be used more frequently but the 1.5mm that can only be used once a month. 55 is a good price but for the ones that can be used frequently...if I have to replace it monthly, that's going to be an issue.

There is no need to go go longer than 1mm unless you are trying to break up acne scarring. I would recommend spending your $100 on a .5mm roller and some numbing cream, as well as ensure that you are using Vit A and C regularly. Then you can move to a 1mm down the road if you want.

free skin care · Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:15 pm

Firefox7275 wrote:

Lorraineg57 wrote:

The dermaroller kind of scares me. Not the smaller needle ones that can be used more frequently but the 1.5mm that can only be used once a month. 55 is a good price but for the ones that can be used frequently...if I have to replace it monthly, that's going to be an issue.

Many of us started out with an 0.5mm and progressed - that REALLY helped me with the fear factor. I don't think I'd ever have gotten started if I'd bought one with longer needles first! Laughing

Some of us moved onto 1mm others onto 1.5mm, personal choice depending on your skin and how deep you feel the damage you want to address is. The funny thing is I now roll my whole forehead without any topical anaesthetic, and it really is not that bad because the needles are so fine (max 0.25mm, point is even finer) and the process is so quick.

A roller should last many, many months of weekly or monthly use - depending on your regimen - providing you purchase a decent quality one and take good care of it (soften skin first, careful cleansing and sterilising). OwnDoc sell decent rollers for just $29 plus modest postage and have excellent after sales service, so is a favourite with EDSers. Also great *free* guidance
http://owndoc.com/dermarolling/dermaroller-review/
http://dermaroller.owndoc.com/dermaroller-instructions.pdf
Obviously up to you but with your goals and budget, IMO a couple of dermarollers cannot be beaten. Very Happy

As Bethany says, the clinical results are convincing - she has reposted more reading matter on the last page of the main dermaroller thread if you want to be bamboozled!

Has it made a difference in your skin personally as far as firmness and lines? I'm leary of before and after pics posted on sites that sell items. I have some serious 11's and forehead lines I'd love to get rid of. I'm tired of wearing bangs....

I'm also thinking about drybrushing. Way too many options as far as ways to spend money. I was looking at the pmd also....but I'm really thinking that firming things up will go a long way to improving my texture issues....

free skin care · Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:54 pm

Dermarolling eliminated the crows feet around my eyes, but I had limited results on forehead wrinkles and the 11's.

However, I have started using Frownies again (I will be using the packing tape alternatives posted when I finish these up) and am seeing some improvement since my 11's are due to me sleeping on my side. I am hoping that the combo of tape at night and rebuilding the collagen with the roller will help they go away this time.

Regarding these recommendations...rolling is NOT for everyone. Frankly I find it horribly painful, and dread doing it so much that I stopped for 3 years! Shock

So you need to pick what YOU feel is best for you, no matter what clinical studies say or people recommend. Smile

free skin care · Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:49 pm

Lorraineg57 wrote:

Has it made a difference in your skin personally as far as firmness and lines? I'm leary of before and after pics posted on sites that sell items. I have some serious 11's and forehead lines I'd love to get rid of. I'm tired of wearing bangs....

I'm also thinking about drybrushing. Way too many options as far as ways to spend money. I was looking at the pmd also....but I'm really thinking that firming things up will go a long way to improving my texture issues....

What are the issues you have with texture? Is it enlarged pores, roughness, orange peel or something else? Is dehydration an issue? Have you tried any acid peels? I don't necessarily mean hardcore burn-your-face-off peels, even just light exfoliation. Have you considered facial exercise?

I grew my fringe (bangs) out which concentrated my mind on this area! Laughing

I don't have any firmness issues and am not rolling the full face, so it would not be fair of me to comment on that. My elevens are significantly improved and the hyperpigmentation/ melasma is breaking up, which is really encouraging IMO. Horizontal forehead lines no change yet but I haven't been focussing on them long enough (less than six months).

It's also relevant to say that, unlike many others, I have not consistently used any of the common proven anti-ageing actives over the time I have been dermarolling. This is mostly because I have sensitive/ eczematous skin so was focussing on barrier repair. Confused

If you do use those your results should be maximised.

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