How to Prevent/Reduce the Appearance of Veins on the Hands
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free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:37 pm

The veins beneath the skin on my hands are starting to show. I wonder why it's happening so suddenly (nothing was visible a year ago), and what I can do.

Could it be that my hands are not getting enough circulation, that I need to exercise more, and/or that I'm exerting too much pressure on my hands? To prevent leg veins, women are often advised not to stand too long on their feet. Does the same principle apply with hands? My work usually requires me to be stationary. Could that also have something to do with it?

I do realize that, as I get older, the veins in my hands will become more prominent. However, there are always things that one can do to delay the aging process. What do you think might help?

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:45 pm

Not sure why, but when I drink green smoothies regularly my veins don't show at all. Wink

When I forget to drink the smoothies and too get busy the veins pop back up. Wink

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:02 pm

Copper peptides help with this.

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:05 pm

Ava with wings,

How do you suppose that copper peptides help this issue?

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:29 pm

CPs encourage new collagen, as well as assist in retaining fat under the skin. They have also been shown in studies to thicken the skin- I have experienced this part of them first hand. We get veins in our hands due to sun damage (yeah, you covered your face, but what about your hands??), loss of fat, and thinning of the skin due to age and hormonal changes.

free skin care · Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:01 pm

I have and still do use all my facial products on my hands, I started because I had excess when I pumped things out and have just stuck with the practice! I don't have thinning skin or veins protruding on my hands! Smile

Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:50 am

Toby wrote:

Not sure why, but when I drink green smoothies regularly my veins don't show at all. Wink

When I forget to drink the smoothies and too get busy the veins pop back up. Wink

I wonder what vitamins or minerals could be helping? I feel like I eat "right" but am not seeing all the benefits I should be seeing from my diet.

Anyone know how you can check if you're absorbing enough vitamins and minerals?

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:01 am

papertiger wrote:

Toby wrote:

Not sure why, but when I drink green smoothies regularly my veins don't show at all. Wink

When I forget to drink the smoothies and too get busy the veins pop back up. Wink

I wonder what vitamins or minerals could be helping? I feel like I eat "right" but am not seeing all the benefits I should be seeing from my diet.

Anyone know how you can check if you're absorbing enough vitamins and minerals?

Micronutrients are not more important than the macronutrients. With the green smoothies it's quite possible the water and/ or fibre content is playing a key role because these can benefit the lymphatic and circulatory systems, plus feed the beneficial bacteria in the gut (manufacture vitamin K and aid in absorption of other nutrients). Brightly coloured fruit and veggies are also packed with other phytonutrients: as important as greens are red, yellow, orange and blue/ purple.

You can have blood tests for vitamins and minerals but even that only gives you part of the story. What do you mean by you 'feel' like you eat right? Do you consistently meet or exceed all your government's recommendations for healthy eating? Do you eat from all the food groups and a broad range of different foods? How long have you been eating this way and what benefits are you not seeing? Excuse the questions, I work in lifestyle healthcare which includes nutrition consultations. Embarassed

Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:23 am

Firefox7275 wrote:

You can have blood tests for vitamins and minerals but even that only gives you part of the story. What do you mean by you 'feel' like you eat right? Do you consistently meet or exceed all your government's recommendations for healthy eating? Do you eat from all the food groups and a broad range of different foods? How long have you been eating this way and what benefits are you not seeing? Excuse the questions, I work in lifestyle healthcare which includes nutrition consultations. Embarassed

No, I'm glad someone's willing to ask! It's difficult to talk with doctors unless they know exactly what the problem is and what they can do to solve it. I'm hesitant to say I eat healthfully because everyone seems to have a different definition of what that is (paleo, vegan, raw, etc.). But it's good to talk to someone who's profession is nutrition.

I don't stick to any popular diet really. I don't exclude any food groups. A typical day is breakfast of fruits then veggie omelette (zucchini, eggs, herbs, mushrooms, ghee or olive oil) and some avocado, and a lunch of beans that have been soaked >8hrs and cooked for a long time (with garlic, turmeric, cumin, cinnamon, ghee, etc.), brown rice that has soaked for >8hrs, sauteed greens in coconut oil (dandelion, turnip, collards, or other), other veggie (okra, cauliflower, etc), a snack is usually fruit like cantaloupe or whatever's in season or greek yogurt and honey, and for dinner fish (salmon, halibut) that's steamed or poached, green salad with olive oil based dressing and other raw veggies (carrot, cabbage, avocado, radish, etc), maybe another cooked veggie on the side

I also make my own kimchi, nut butters, and bone stocks. I'm trying to include fermented foods and other non dairy calcium sources, for variety. I used to keep track of what I ate on fitday and was fulfilling daily requirements (on average over every few days). I supplement vit d, cod liver oil, and sometimes iron and ZMA.

I've had a stressful childhood and I think that's had the biggest impact on my health. There is some lingering depression, sleep problems, lack of energy, brain fog, trouble thinking of words, short term memory problems, etc. All very small and minor problems but something I would like to fix. I also try to take care of other aspects of my health, therapy, meditation, yoga, jogging, trying to spend at least an hour each day outdoors, reduce toxins in beauty care products, making my own cleaning products, etc.

I feel like I've tried everything you're supposed to do, but because of mostly the lack of energy, brain fog, and sleep problems, I feel like there's still something that's not right. Sorry for the rambling Smile

it's very therapeutic to just talk about this with someone

edit: oh, I forgot to add, I've been eating this way for maybe 1 or 2 years. It's been a slow process. I used to eat a lot of mostly plant based, almost vegetarian diet, but slowly took out sugars, a lot of breads, added more fish, started eating chicken livers too, just small changes.

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:03 am

Funnily enough I started out in lifestyle healthcare researching for my own insomnia, stress/ anxiety, depression and immune issues. Wink

Key nutrients in these include the long chain omega-3s (DHA and EPA), various minerals including zinc and magnesium, the B group vitamins and carbohydrates. I will tell you straight out I have my clients eating low glycaemic index wholefoods, and a wide variety from all food groups unless there is an allergy, religious or moral conviction. The problem I see most often with the commercial or alternative diets is that they can be restrictive, especially in combination with personal taste.

In your sample day I see plenty of fruit and veggies which is fantastic. Very Happy

Are you eating from all colour groups in a day - average two red, two yellow, two orange, two green, two blue/ purple? You look to be heavy on the green and white groups - certain of the greens particularly can bind minerals so they are poorly absorbed. Secondly I don't see a balance of all food groups: why so little dairy, wholegrains, nuts/ seeds and meat from land animals? There is evidence iron zinc and calcium are more bioavailable from animal than plant sources, and this ties in with your post on the other thread.

You look to be somewhat low on carbs generally, especially given you exercise regularly: this can affect your energy levels, your ability to exercise at higher intensities, and memory because the brain can only utilise glucose. I would like to see carbs with your breakfast and evening meal BUT switching out one of the two lunchtime carb sources (rice and beans) for nuts or seeds. That means more protein and more healthy fats.

Supplements ... cod liver oil is a good source of vitamins A and D, why the separate D? Why did you choose cod liver instead of fish body oil? Good to see magnesium in your supplements. Don't answer this if it is too personal but do you have a healthy digestion? Use the bathroom twice daily, no bloating or suchlike? Exercise: looks good but be sure to include some intense burst of activity for fitness and mood, running speed or hill intervals for example. Smile

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:53 pm

Keep your hands up whenever possible and use a sunscreen from now on for the skin on top of your hands.

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:07 pm

SusieQ, why do you think that it would help to keep the hands up?

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:20 pm

Thanks Ava with wings, that was really informative. The skin on the backs of my hands (& feet!) seem THE thinnest and most fragile on my body, with so little cushioning under it. I can't imagine what havok an injury would do! And I'm sure veins would be a problem if not for my tan skin colour. I do apply excess product on my hands, but am stingy with the expensive cp's.

I think one of the most aging things that happens to hands is when the skin around the knuckles stretches and bunches up, and in my case, darkens a bit. There was a significant turning point at age 22 or so when my honestly, quite beautiful hands changed to just nice hands, lol.

I wonder if anyone has thoughts on what specific ingredients might benefit knuckles.. though I'm pretty sure its too late for me!

free skin care · Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:25 pm

LoriA, indeed--the skin on the hands is quite thin.

free skin care · Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:23 pm

VeronicaM wrote:

SusieQ, why do you think that it would help to keep the hands up?

I heard this beauty tip from Joan Rivers several years ago and you know what....it really does work. When you keep your hands in an upward position, blood runs down and minimizes the look of your veins. Try it and see. Just prop your elbows on a table, hands gently clasped; in a few moments your veins will not be engorged with blood. Put them down, and in a few moments your veins will be huge.

Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:29 pm

I've been using copper peptides on my hands for a couple of months and haven't yet seen an improvement. I was using an exfoliator at night and the cps in morning, now just cps.

Ava with wings, how long did it take before you saw improvement?

free skin care · Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:59 am

Have you recently lost weight?

BFG

free skin care · Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:02 am

CPs encourage new collagen, as well as assist in retaining fat under the skin.

I've not heard before that CPs assist in retaining fat under the skin.

Can you please provide any references for this information?

Thanks, BFG

free skin care · Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:19 am

I haven't lost weight, BFG.

I once read about a woman who got injections into her hands in order to keep them looking youthful.

free skin care · Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:42 am

I was given a tube of Dermalogica's new Age Smart Primer/SPF and have been using it on my hands as I do not like the silicone feel on my face. It has a lot of ant aging ingredients and a hint of color. It makes my hands look better (until I wash them) and I am not throwing away the free product!

Maybe you can dig up something in your stash of unloved beauty products and use it on your hans.

free skin care · Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:20 pm

Barefootgirl wrote:

CPs encourage new collagen, as well as assist in retaining fat under the skin.

I've not heard before that CPs assist in retaining fat under the skin.

Can you please provide any references for this information?

Thanks, BFG

Dr Pickart has often said that the CPs help increase subcutaneous fat cells.

Quote:

In every study of injected SRCPs, we always saw a huge increase in subcutaneous fat cells. These were closely associated with enlarged hair follicles.

Probably more an observation of his than an actual study of sorts, but it's something to go by.

free skin care · Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:54 pm

This is taken from a skin biology page, scroll to the bottom. Dr. Pickart is one of the few vendors I trust because he's never steered me wrong, the good the bad and the ugly of his products. I feel they do what they say he does, but they aren't for everyone, as any product so they are controversial.

http://skinglow.ca/skin_biology.html

Right Diagram: Skin remodeling copper peptides help reverse many effects of aging. They help remove minor skin lesions, re-thicken your skin, collagen and elastin are rebuilt, the skin's blood supply is improved, and subcutaneous fat is increased. This produces a skin biology more like young skin again.

And they have a nice little picture for us. Smile

free skin care · Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:13 pm

foxe wrote:

Dr Pickart has often said that the CPs help increase subcutaneous fat cells.

Quote:

In every study of injected SRCPs, we always saw a huge increase in subcutaneous fat cells. These were closely associated with enlarged hair follicles.

Anyone on this forum injecting CPs?

Ava with wings wrote:

And they have a nice little picture for us.

Seriously, are you impressed by a hand-drawn image?

free skin care · Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:38 am

VeronicaM wrote:

The veins beneath the skin on my hands are starting to show. I wonder why it's happening so suddenly (nothing was visible a year ago), and what I can do.

Could it be that my hands are not getting enough circulation, that I need to exercise more, and/or that I'm exerting too much pressure on my hands? To prevent leg veins, women are often advised not to stand too long on their feet. Does the same principle apply with hands? My work usually requires me to be stationary. Could that also have something to do with it?

I do realize that, as I get older, the veins in my hands will become more prominent. However, there are always things that one can do to delay the aging process. What do you think might help?

Doesn't sound like it but... have you done any weightlifting?

How old are you?

Has anything changed with regard to the amount of hand washing you do? (my hands went through a major aging processes after the twins were born and I was washing my hands at and OCD level. MY skin was a disaster for quite some time!)

What kind of sun exposure do you get? Just consider all your time outside, and driving.

Do you use any SPF on your hands? (hard to maintain with hand washing)

What do you do to challenge the tissue to generate collagen production?

Do you do anything with your hands to work the muscles? Stretches (as often learned if you're a pianst), flexing, movement through typing, grasping objects... etc.

free skin care · Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:26 pm

Lacy, I was kidding. The picture is pointless, we all know this. I merely found it ironic it was a visual aid for that kind of statement. Laughing

But I do believe it assists in retaining fat under the skin. I put it on my chest. Wink

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