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Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:45 pm      Reply with quote
I am looking for a good quality Omega 3 fish oil.
It seems my cholesterol is a little high (230) I started taking Red Rice Yeast today. I thought I was eating healthy but I guess I need a little extra!
Any good recipes I can use would be helpful also. Thanks

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Most people can get enough omega-3s by eating fatty fish—such as salmon and sardines, which are also low in mercury—at least twice a week.

According to ConsumerReports "But the test results revealed total PCBs in amounts that could require warning labels under California’s Proposition 65, a consumer right-to-know law, in one sample of the CVS, GNC, and Sundown products, and in two samples of Nature’s Bounty."
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Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:55 pm      Reply with quote
Here are two premium fish oil brands:

Salmon oil: http://www.vitalchoice.com/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=126&idcategory=748


Cod liver oil: http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/CodLiverOil/index.cfm


Both of these fish oils have vitamins A and D.
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Fish oil supplements are harmful and should be avoided:

Polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) may be dangerous to your health

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035015_PUFAs_health_fatty_acids.html#ixzz2AKxWYszA
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Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:24 am      Reply with quote
Puritans Pride also has a good selection. Per my cardiologits urging, I take it daily.

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gretchen wrote:
Fish oil supplements are harmful and should be avoided:

Polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) may be dangerous to your health
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People are starting to question omega-3 supplements:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xiz8vg10zk&list=UUDxcPq0IJlkw5JM6JyDIxSQ&index=3&feature=plcp

I eliminated salmon about 6 months ago and look and feel a million times better. Regular consumption of omega 3 is unhealthy.
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Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:00 pm      Reply with quote
Thank you girls! I am hoping to get this cholesterol thing under control.

Gretchen I am glad what you are doing works for you.

For me and my house I am going to follow my doctors orders!

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Totter wrote:
Thank you girls! I am hoping to get this cholesterol thing under control.

Gretchen I am glad what you are doing works for you.

For me and my house I am going to follow my doctors orders!


Doctors prescribe chemo, useless drugs and all kinds of harmful treatments. Omega-3 should not be supplemented. Cholesterol isn't well understood and yes I know it increases at midlife due to hormonal factors. You probably have a thyroid issue which is the real reason your cholesterol has gone up. Coconut oil is probably a better bet than omega 3 to help boost your thyoid and also progesterone to help combat estrogen dominance which lowers thyroid. Unless you start to understand how it's all connected you won't really change anything.

Undestanding estrogen dominance & thyroid:
http://www.dannyroddy.com/2012/3/12/hashimotos-disease-excess-estrogen-in-disguise.html

Cholesterol:
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/cholesterol-longevity.shtml
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Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:34 pm      Reply with quote
Gretchen: I prefer natural sources in food that have these.... However, if I am not getting enough Omega in my diet, I would also opt for Omega supplements as long as it is just enough levels for my body that I consume and okayed by my doctor. Always in moderation is the key to everything and I don't believe that it is bad for you when consume in moderate levels, either natural sources or supplements....
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People are starting to question omega-3 supplements:


Totter: Follow your doctor's recommendation, she knows best regarding your overall health. However, have few suggestions:- try avoiding all fried/greasy foods is a good start to keep your cholesterol in normal levels and opt for baked/steamed foods using a little bit of Olive oil. Olive oil is a good fat to eat. Lots of green/colorful vegies, fresh fruits are all important to keep you in check. Avoid those sugared goodies if possible.... Doing regular exercises that you like to do will control your cholesterol levels as long as you don't eat heavily after a good workout.... I hope this helps.....

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Thank you girls! I am hoping to get this cholesterol thing under control.
For me and my house I am going to follow my doctors orders!
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Gretchen: I prefer natural sources in food that have these.... However, if I am not getting enough Omega in my diet, I would also opt for Omega supplements as long as it is just enough levels for my body that I consume and okayed by my doctor. Always in moderation is the key to everything and I don't believe that it is bad for you when consume in moderate levels, either natural sources or supplements....
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People are starting to question omega-3 supplements:


Totter: Follow your doctor's recommendation, she knows best regarding your overall health. However, have few suggestions:- try avoiding all fried/greasy foods is a good start to keep your cholesterol in normal levels and opt for baked/steamed foods using a little bit of Olive oil. Olive oil is a good fat to eat. Lots of green/colorful vegies, fresh fruits are all important to keep you in check. Avoid those sugared goodies if possible.... Doing regular exercises that you like to do will control your cholesterol levels as long as you don't eat heavily after a good workout.... I hope this helps.....

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Thank you girls! I am hoping to get this cholesterol thing under control.
For me and my house I am going to follow my doctors orders!


We don't need to supplement omega 3; it isn't "essential" as we've been told by marketers whose whole intention is to make money.

No, olive oil isn't healthy either; it's quite fattening and has a negative effect on metabolism due to its PUFA content. Vegetables aren't that great either; they are essentially a poverty food. Vegetables also have nothing to do with lowering cholesterol nor does olive oil.

Olive oil can cause weight gain
http://books.google.com/books?id=XHlJMN2dfUkC&pg=PT246&dq=olive+oil+stored+as+fat+eat+fat+lose+fat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nRmUUNPnGIvYigLQ9oDgDQ&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=olive%20oil%20&f=false

Vegetables Etc- Who Defines Food?
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/vegetables.shtml
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Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:10 am      Reply with quote
You are entitle to your own opinions, as well as as I am entitle to mine because whatever you eat or do is your choice because it is your body, not mine. I rest my case on this issue.

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We don't need to supplement omega 3; it isn't "essential" as we've been told by marketers whose whole intention is to make money. No, olive oil isn't healthy either; it's quite fattening and has a negative effect on metabolism due to its PUFA content. Vegetables aren't that great either; they are essentially a poverty food. Vegetables also have nothing to do with lowering cholesterol nor does olive oil.
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You are entitle to your own opinions, as well as as I am entitle to mine because whatever you eat or do is your choice because it is your body, not mine. I rest my case on this issue.

gretchen wrote:
We don't need to supplement omega 3; it isn't "essential" as we've been told by marketers whose whole intention is to make money. No, olive oil isn't healthy either; it's quite fattening and has a negative effect on metabolism due to its PUFA content. Vegetables aren't that great either; they are essentially a poverty food. Vegetables also have nothing to do with lowering cholesterol nor does olive oil.


It's not my personal opinion, my belief is based off the work of a serious researcher/biologist. In any case, if you want to get old and fat, take fish oil.
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Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:59 pm      Reply with quote
As I said earlier, I prefer the natural oil from "baked" salmon (or sardines or mackerel, etc) that has omega's. I don't take fish oil supplements at all, unless okayed by my doctor.
And I don't believe that people here who take fish oil either, as diet pill supplements or by natural sources, are old and fat either. This is only your imagination and unfounded as well.

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It's not my personal opinion, my belief is based off the work of a serious researcher/biologist. In any case, if you want to get old and fat, take fish oil.
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As I said earlier, I prefer the natural oil from "baked" salmon (or sardines or mackerel, etc) that has omega's. I don't take fish oil supplements at all, unless okayed by my doctor.
And I don't believe that people here who take fish oil either, as diet pill supplements or by natural sources, are old and fat either. This is only your imagination and unfounded as well.

gretchen wrote:
It's not my personal opinion, my belief is based off the work of a serious researcher/biologist. In any case, if you want to get old and fat, take fish oil.


Actually Very Happy there is a thread on this forum about the possible connection between fish oil and weight gain:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=6457518
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Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:22 pm      Reply with quote
These are views of some people, not a scientific research by a large group under medical supervision....... and PLEASE not all people who take this fish oil or related fish supplements are old and fat as you said which I find unfounded and untrue. As I said, you have your opinion and I have mine. If you don't wish to take fish oil or any Omega's that is your choice for your health and well-being... It is not mine I am afraid. Give it a rest, will you?

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jade-1234 wrote:
And I don't believe that people here who take fish oil either, as diet pill supplements or by natural sources, are old and fat either. This is only your imagination and unfounded as well.

gretchen wrote:
It's not my personal opinion, my belief is based off the work of a serious researcher/biologist. In any case, if you want to get old and fat, take fish oil.

Actually Very Happy there is a thread on this forum about the possible connection between fish oil and weight gain:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=6457518
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Omega 3's are an important part of health AND beauty. There are 100's of studies which detail the benefits of Omega 3's and several published studies have confirmed benefits to the skin, hair AND weigh loss. More recent studies have also indicated that fish oil protects against UV radiation - reducing the skins response to both UVA and UVB. I also believe that fish oil is superior to flax oil in that it has been shown to raise the body level of EPA and DHA (these are responsible for most of the positive effects). Not to take anything away from plant forms as they are still advantageous but from all I know fish oil is the gold standard.

I am trim, and my skin and hair are very healthy - I have been taking fish oil longer than it was popular. It made my hair nicer - less dry and tended to grow in a better way. My skin is clear and I feel like it helps in clarity for me.
In America, physicians are not trained in supplementation nor in matters of vitamins, minerals etc. If they do know something about the subject it is because they chose to educate themselves, not because they are doctors as it is not a part of a medical school curriculum. In America the average physician is not educated to dictate supplementation advice. I'd see a naturopath or a nutritionist or a dietition for better guidance in that way. Some physicians will give advice about vitamins etc but they don't tend to know more than the average semi-educated consumer. (Consumer beware and be educated).

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Thank you sister sweets for clarifying the matter on this subject, much appreciated Smile

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Omega 3's are an important part of health AND beauty. There are 100's of studies which detail the benefits of Omega 3's and several published studies have confirmed benefits to the skin, hair AND weigh loss. More recent studies have also indicated that fish oil protects against UV radiation - reducing the skins response to both UVA and UVB. I also believe that fish oil is superior to flax oil in that it has been shown to raise the body level of EPA and DHA (these are responsible for most of the positive effects). Not to take anything away from plant forms as they are still advantageous but from all I know fish oil is the gold standard.

I am trim, and my skin and hair are very healthy - I have been taking fish oil longer than it was popular. It made my hair nicer - less dry and tended to grow in a better way. My skin is clear and I feel like it helps in clarity for me.
In America, physicians are not trained in supplementation nor in matters of vitamins, minerals etc. If they do know something about the subject it is because they chose to educate themselves, not because they are doctors as it is not a part of a medical school curriculum. In America the average physician is not educated to dictate supplementation advice. I'd see a naturopath or a nutritionist or a dietition for better guidance in that way. Some physicians will give advice about vitamins etc but they don't tend to know more than the average semi-educated consumer. (Consumer beware and be educated).
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The mainstream media has finally reported the connection between fish oil and cancer:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie-chen-md/fish-oil_b_1886796.html

Also, the original studies showing the "essentialness" of omega 3s were bogus:
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml

And yes, unsaturated fats will slow your metabolism and age you:
With aging, the highly peroxidizable fatty acids[including omega 3s like fish oil], arachidonic and docosahexaenoic acid, increase greatly in a variety of tissues, and lipid peroxidation increases with aging. Peroxidation slows mitochondrial respiration, lowering the metabolic rate. Caloric restriction slows the accumulation of the highly unsaturated fatty acids in mitochondria, and reduces peroxidation.
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The mainstream media has finally reported the connection between fish oil and cancer:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie-chen-md/fish-oil_b_1886796.html

Also, the original studies showing the "essentialness" of omega 3s were bogus:
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturatedfats.shtml

And yes, unsaturated fats will slow your metabolism and age you:
With aging, the highly peroxidizable fatty acids[including omega 3s like fish oil], arachidonic and docosahexaenoic acid, increase greatly in a variety of tissues, and lipid peroxidation increases with aging. Peroxidation slows mitochondrial respiration, loweing the metabolic rate. Caloric restriction slows the accumulation of the highly unsaturated fatty acids in mitochondria, and reduces peroxidation.


The Huffington Post is your reference. Are you kidding? These sources are not juried nor would be considered valid in any medical or University context.
Plus you contradict yourself with this thread with your views on Cod liver oil in another thread. Please note cod-liver oil contains large quantities of omega-3 fatty acids, as well as vitamins A, D. Omega-3 fatty acids in whatever supplement are helpful in the prevention of heart disease, acne, aging. Also, omega-3 is touted as beneficial to those with arthritis, depression and poor bone health. Cod-liver oil is a good source of omega-3. -

I won't be responding anymore.

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With all due respect, the truth about fish oil is only beginning to be revealed. It appears the whole thing has been one big marketing scam.
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Totter, just got back from my cardiologist appt. to follow up on my cholesterol battle. It is down but a ways to go.
Losing weight, working out and I had added extra fiber to my diet which works sort of like a natural filter to help. But the main thing is to continue doing what I am doing and yes, taking Omega 3. He is firm on that and he just shook his head when I mentioned the "claims" here.
So, make up your own mind and of course do due diligence.
But on that note, lets also be respectful here.

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Totter wrote:
I am looking for a good quality Omega 3 fish oil.
It seems my cholesterol is a little high (230) I started taking Red Rice Yeast today. I thought I was eating healthy but I guess I need a little extra!
Any good recipes I can use would be helpful also. Thanks


Adding Policosanol to the red rice yeast, niacin and Omega 3's is another suggestion for supplementation aimed at decreasing cholesterol.

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Another suggestion Totter is to include flax seeds into your diet. Flax seeds are high in Omega-3 fatty acids and can help lower your high cholesterol.

Available in any supermarkets or health-food shops. Buy them "not grinded and totally sealed" so you know that the flax seeds are "fresh" and always check for expiry date (important!).... You can put this in the refrigerator to prolong shelf life.

Easiest thing to do is to put flax seeds in any soups, sprinkle on green salads, or mix in your steamed long-grain brown rice, or if you can not resist sweet treats, you can incorporate flax seeds into the cookie mixture. Possibilities to incorporate in your diet are endless as flax seeds don't have any taste at all.... What do you think? Smile
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Totter wrote:
I am looking for a good quality Omega 3 fish oil.
It seems my cholesterol is a little high (230) I started taking Red Rice Yeast today. I thought I was eating healthy but I guess I need a little extra!
Any good recipes I can use would be helpful also. Thanks


I also was looking for a good quality Omega 3 fish oil. Not for any specific reason but thought it was a good idea since I limit my fish eating with the concern over mercury.
Anyway, I chose Wild Alaska Salmon Oil, 1000mg, soft gels. Info I found was that it was the least contaminated. I took it for a few days, then stopped. I figured I shouldn't take any supplements unless I had a blood test to determine if in fact I had an Omega 3 deficiency. Never did that, though. Just wanted to share....

hate to throw media reference into the discussion above
but found this today and thought it interesting:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444592404578030391175619824.html
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