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ureshi
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Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:03 am |
1)does this product really works?? If not please tell me. i do not want to waste my money on that product. currently using the pure white system. and plenty more.
2) Does artistry skin care value for money?
3) Or should i go for dermalogica?
4) what about artistry cosmetic product? izzit safe to use?
5) ANy good cosmetic brands which are at reasonable price?
please advice....
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Caspers Mum
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Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:16 am |
This is not a skincare line that we sell, and therefore, do not have any information to provide you with. Perhaps other Forum readers know more about it. |
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Mabsy
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Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:51 pm |
Artistry is part of the Amway company (think 'pyramid scheme'); you can have a look at their products at www.artistry.com.au. I've tried one of their moisturisers before and didn't think it was anything special. Their products in my opinion are not cheap and I would much rather spend my money on Dermalogica instead.
So in answer to your questions, in my opinion:
1) Not sure.
2) No
3) I definitely would!
4) I don't see why it wouldn't be safe to use.
5) Dermalogica - simple and effective.
As an aside, I heard that Artistry makeup brushes are supposed to be quite good but I haven't tried them myself (because I can't bare to part with my Jane Iredale and Bare Escentuals brushes for even a second ). |
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ureshi
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Tue Aug 26, 2003 12:20 am |
Mabsy--> thanks. I'll go for the dermalogica this weekend. heard alot good stuff about it too. Well since u say Artistry is not cheap, my as well spend the money on the dermalogica right?
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Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:32 am |
Hello Ureshi,
My sister used to sell "Artistry" because she was into that pyramid stuff. So, I just had to buy some of the products from her or else she would disown me as a sister. I was not at all impressed with the make-up. There is absolutely nothing special about it and I did not repurchase any of the products. Also, by that time my sister was out of the Amway business. I sincerely believe that the products sold on this website are much more professional and worth the money. This is just my opinion. Hope I can help you save some money. |
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Caspers Mum
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Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:52 am |
Yuppers. I couldn't remember the name of the company who owns Artistry, but knew it was a catalogue/pyramid scheme. Buy one thing, and they're after you to buy everything else in the catalogue! knock, knock! "Hi, it's me, you're Amway person AGAIN! Wanna buy some vitamins now??" Just kidding. |
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klpmtm
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Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:46 am |
Artistry skin care and cosmetics is wonderful! Anyone who says otherwise is misinformed. It is one of the world's top five prestige brands of skin care and cosmetics. It is up there with Lancome, Clinique, Este Lauder, and Sophina. The beauty of Artistry is that it's value compared to these other skin care and cosmetic lines is amazing. Most of the products are cheaper and give more product. Another bonus is that Artistry gives you a 180 day, no questions asked money back guarantee. Do you know of any other prestige line that does that?
Also just another bit of info. Artistry(through Amway or any other company) is NOT a pyramid scheme. The Supreme Court uses their business plan (which was deemed not a pyramid) to compare other business plans to determine if these "new" businesses are pyramids or not. Some people need to get their facts straight.
As for the quality of Artistry products... I have a friend who has used everything under the sun (Mary Kay, Pro-Active, Victoria Principal's skin care, Estee Lauder, and so on)for skin care and was always breaking out or having serious skin reactions(and she couldn't get her money back!!!). She tried Artistry's Clarifying Skin care line and her face is clearing up and has not had any adverse reactions. Artistry is tested by dermitologists, optimologists, and is also pharmacutically tested.
I also use Artistry and have been using it for a couple of months now. Since I've been using it, my skinn has cleared up, my pores have gotten smaller, and friend are asking me why i look so young lately. I am 31 years old and lately have been getting carded often and people don't believe it when I tell them my age.
If you'd like some more info on pricing comparasions for Artistry see the attachment. |
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Wed Sep 17, 2003 2:24 pm |
Artistry is not that wonderful. I am not misinformed. I am a former user of the products who did not repurchase anything nor did any of the other people who bought the products along with me. Why? Because there is nothing special about these products. Nothing at all. I did not look any younger nor did I get carded. And, calling it "not a pyramid scheme" is a play on semantics. I know people who sold Amway and Artistry and it is a pyramid scheme. And my facts are straight. |
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Mabsy
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Wed Sep 17, 2003 5:03 pm |
I'm glad that you found products that work well for you and that you like. But I would like to point out that there is no such thing as 'misinformed' when it comes to one's experience with a product! You try a product and you either like it or you don't, it either works for you or it doesn't. I didn't like it and it didn't do anything special. That is MY opinion based on MY experience with the product and that does NOT make me misinformed. I also don't share your opinion of the brand being in the top five prestige brands.
In the future please try to state your opinion without implying that everybody who doesn't like the brand you like is wrong.
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Artistry skin care and cosmetics is wonderful! Anyone who says otherwise is misinformed. It is one of the world's top five prestige brands of skin care and cosmetics. It is up there with Lancome, Clinique, Este Lauder, and Sophina. |
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Thu Sep 18, 2003 4:53 am |
Dear Mabsy,
Very well stated and very true!! |
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geevee
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Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:16 pm |
I have been using Artistry Products for some time and think they are wonderful and they are not that expensive. I have use others, Clinique, Estee Lauder, Lancome, etc. and find Artistry to do wonders. I have never been pressured to purchase anything else or "join in" the business.
klpmtm was just stating her opinion of Artistry and was very nice in her reply.
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Claudia
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Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:52 am |
In reply to ureshi...Artistry is only sold through distributors, privately. It is marketed through Access Business Group, located in Ada, MI. This is where the Artistry Institute is located. Animals are never used, and new products are developed and patented by their inventors, not a corporation. Independent business owners have the opportunity to sell other products (health, home, etc.), not just Artistry. It is NOT a pyramid (pyramids are illegal). It is approved by the FTC and has a 5 star rating by the Better Business Bureau. I've been using the Artistry products for 4 years now and my dermatologist and esthician cannot believe the improvement in my skin. I was a sun worshiper for years, but light skinned so had a lot of damage. I have actually REVERSED some of the damage and with all the new "time defiance" products they have recently developed. Incredible skin care. For the price, compared to department store brands, we are outstanding. For the product, there is nothing that can compete (my opinion, of course). 100% guarantee of product, or full refund. Plus, they stand by their claims for actually seeing improvements - For ALL skin types. By the way, Amway moved out of the U.S. and is very active oversees. (for Mabsy's info) Sounds like some people had some bad experiences, but I'm sure you can find a bad experience with anything. If you look hard enough. I've had nothing but great success and results. I could never support something I didn't believe in, and my skin has had terrific results. Good luck on finding a skin care system just for you. |
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Patrick
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Wed Oct 15, 2003 6:04 am |
The first time I heard about " Artistry Product " was when I had a proposition to join the Amway business.
And I only heard about Arstistry that "It is one of the world's top five prestige brands of skin care and cosmetics" ... that's a good thing.
I know people who are in the beauty business for years and have never heard of Artistry. ...strange!?!
When I look for informations by my self, I can't find any info? no official site !! ... strange!?!
If one of you has any info about those products ... please let me know.
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yorkshiregirl
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:15 pm |
1. Artistry is not a pyramid scheme.
Do you really think Disney, Office Max, Barnes and NObles and 100 + companies would be in business with this company ,destroy their reputation, if it was a pyramid scheme.
2.Artistry is the only company in the world using NASA BASED TECHNOLOGY to develop the products. The equipement used to map the surface of the moon is utilised to map the skin, lines, wrinkles, depth and number, down to the collegen layer.
The line is science based in addition to clinical studies. .
3. The line delivers results.6 month money back.As long as you give back the container.
Costs less than Lancome, and other high end dept products.
4.When looking at any product look at the science ,product development and clinical studies. |
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Bebe
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Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:21 pm |
After reading all the replies on this board, I had to respond. I too am looking for information on Artistry. A woman tried to hard sell me the product two nights ago and I had a gut feeling she was trying to scam me. When I read all the glorious replies about the product on here I started to laugh because every positve thing said about Artistry was written down EXACTLY from the sales pitch I got from that lady! Word for word. So from what I've read on this board, the people responding to you saying Artistry is some miracle cure are trying to sell you something. Another interesting thing about my meeting with this sales lady...
When she did half my face to show the improvement, she picked the side of my face that wasn't covered with pimples. I'm assuming she hoped I would later forget this and think it actually worked! Also after lathering my face with moisturizor she showed me how my face was no longer dry with her skin analysis machine. But I couldn't help thinking, "Well, duh! My face has moisturizor on it now! Wouldn't my face look less dry with any other brand?"
So I can't really tell you if this brand really works. But from my experience in life, if you have a gut feeling you're getting ripped off...you probably are!!! |
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yorkshiregirl
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Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:23 pm |
When you buy Artistry if you are not satisfied with the product you can get your full refund as long as you give back the container.
So I do not understand how it is a scam. No other company to my knowledge will give you a full refund 6 months after purchase, after handing back an empty jar.
Its unfortunate you had that experience, you may wish to find another rep that you would feel comfortable with.
Remember these products are backed with clinical studies, also MRI advanced type (NASA technology in their development by scientists.
I am in a position due to the nature of my work, (laser skin surgery) to evaluate many skin care products available to us as MD's.
Artistry is very cutting edge and is ahead of the competion. Very impressive. |
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Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:34 pm |
Well, I had no idea a cosmetics line could elicit such emotion. I guess people either really are loyal (even enough to sell it) or they don't like it at all. Easy, easy. Everyone take a deep breath. We're here to have fun and share information, not badger each other. |
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Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:35 pm |
I've used Artistry cleansers and foundation before and thought it worked well. It was not cheap, and it was a product I felt obligated to buy because my friend was selling it through Amway. Kind of like my experiences with Mary Kay - I buy it to obligate a friend and it works pretty good - but would never buy on my own or repurchase(except for Lumineyes). I think these lines are overpriced - and therefore I expect more. |
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Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:21 pm |
I will go for dermalogica, as Artistry skincare is too oily, unless you have very very dry skin....otehrwise may cause you alot of those oily spot.
Trust me, my mother she use to sell Amway before. |
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kevinwltan
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Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:38 pm |
I hope that this will answer most of the questions in the forums.
Its very funny about the topics people talked about in this forum. Artistry in fact is the top 5 prestige brand in the world. But, the fact is not available to public. If anyone really want the facts. It cost about $330, they are the same company that provide research for Estee Lauder, Lancome and etc. They are not pro Amway or anti Ameay. Just a company that provide facts globally.
Not even those who are building the Artistry or Amway business know about this. Its because their sponsors never teach them about that or their sponsors don't even know about that facts. The only thing they know is, its the top 5 prestige brand in the world. When you asking for facts, they are like hmmmm and huhhhhh. They will switch to other topics like Artistry will not claims it if they cannot back it up or they will say, buy it with risk free money back guarantee. If you do not like it, you have time to return it in 180 days/6 months.
Is Artistry the best brand? NO. Its not. Neutrogena is not the best brand either. Is Neutrogena cheaper? Off course. All I would say Artistry products are good. Does it good to be used by everybody? NO. Come on people, if it does not do any good on your skin? Big deal, why would you try to bad mouth about the products. Why I say this, because you are not qualify to make any judgement. Unlesss you are a scientist that do your own research with the statistics to prove your points.
For those that build the Amway business, do not lie. Nothing is the best. Its either your customers like them or they are not. Try sell them something that actually will benefits them instead of selling everything or selling them something that you can make the most money from.
In fact the Artistry Time Defiance Serum do actually can help reduce the wrinkles. For those that have used it before that does not see the results, its either you do not use it correctly. Who to blame? Not Artistry. Blame on some one that sell you the products but do not have enough product knowledge to teach you to use it. For those that are ex-Amway IBOs that do not benefits from the products. Blame your sponsors that do not teach you how to use it properly and blame yourself to be so guilable and believe 100% what the sponsors said. I do not care if they make millions, sometimes the millions are not make from selling Artistry line of products. There are thousands if not millions of products you can make money from.
Is Artistry/Amway a pyramid scheme? Yes and No. It depends how that individual practice the business. So can be a Estee Lauder become a pyramid scheme if they do not practice it according to the rules and regulations. Its easy for the Amway business to be a pyramid scheme because the businesses are run and operates by each individual. They are not employee or owner of Amway Corporation. Amway is not a pyramid company, its just a company like P&G. The different is the way they distribute the prodcuts. None of the products are distributed through retail stores and no advertisement. Therefore, even the people who are skin care expert never heard about Artistry unless you are in Amway business. Amway has its own set of rules and regulations that compliance to Federal Trade Commision to make it not a pyramid company. But most of the time the people who are involved in the business are independent distributors. Because they are not employees, its far more difficult to monitor and control what they can do and what not. Many distributors are "creative", they in fact think outside the box and run their own business for their own interests. Not Amway interests, but their own interests. Many times they might do something that should not have done in the first place. Because no one complain to the Amway corporation, therefore they do not have enough information to take actions.
Information on websites? They are just good and bad experiences. They cannot be used as facts because the no report has been filed. For those who fail in Amway business. Think about this. If things did not work out. Have any of you guys complain to the corporation or you complain to your sponsor? Blame yourself and the sponsor. The sponsor always say this. ASK YOUR SPONSOR to get any information. Sometimes the information from the upline can be misleading.
Man its too much to argue who is good and who is bad. I just happened to stop by this page because I think its interesting. I do not have time to write anymore. Maybe I can write a book about Amway and publish it. Maybe I can make a million, since 90% of the population know about Amway both in good way and the bad way.
Well, you people are more then welcome to ask me any question. Just email me at belmeen@hotmail.com . Do not flood my email account though.
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Bebe
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Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:24 pm |
"When you buy Artistry if you are not satisfied with the product you can get your full refund as long as you give back the container.
So I do not understand how it is a scam."
I see scams all the time with a money back guarantee! In fact it always seems like the more the product is crap, the more it boasts 'money back guarantee'!
"Its unfortunate you had that experience, you may wish to find another rep that you would feel comfortable with."
I think you mean a rep who is more convincing and/or a better manipulator. No thanks, I'm glad that my 'rep' was a lousy conartist. It was easier for me to see the deception. Also I would like to mention that she was married to a d-list celebrity who was also there pushing the men in the house to invest in Quixtar (Amway in disguise). Thanks to my Google search I have found a whole slew of information about this 'business opportunity'. In fact in May of this year, MSNBC just busted Quixtar for being a cult who makes most of its money on their 'downlines' buying all their motivational tapes and tickets to rallies.
"Remember these products are backed with clinical studies, also MRI advanced type (NASA technology in their development by scientists."
Yeah my "rep" said those exact words to me.
"Its very funny about the topics people talked about in this forum. Artistry in fact is the top 5 prestige brand in the world. But, the fact is not available to public. If anyone really want the facts. It cost about $330, they are the same company that provide research for Estee Lauder, Lancome and etc."
Yeah that's exactly what my "rep" told me! Well if Estee Lauder, Lancome, and Artistry are three of the five, what are the other two? What makes your statement so amazing is that my "rep" said that exactly the way you just did! Why is it that what made you stop at Estee Lauder and Lancome? Why not name all five? Why did you and my "rep" both use etc. after that? If you are reading it out of some book you should tell your diamond/eagle whatever to tell whoever writes those things to list all top five 'pretige' brands so as to not sound like a commercial so people will buy what you are saying.
"They are not pro Amway or anti Ameay. Just a company that provide facts globally. "
Well if that is true then you should tell Artistry to do some research with the people they are dealing with because this business is SHADY!!!
Not even those who are building the Artistry or Amway business know about this. Its because their sponsors never teach them about that or their sponsors don't even know about that facts. The only thing they know is, its the top 5 prestige brand in the world. When you asking for facts, they are like hmmmm and huhhhhh. They will switch to other topics like Artistry will not claims it if they cannot back it up or they will say, buy it with risk free money back guarantee. If you do not like it, you have time to return it in 180 days/6 months."
This I can say is true. I would also like to say that if any of you reading this are selling Quixtar/Amway to people, this post is not against you. This is against your celebrity endorsed sponsors who are using you and taking your money.
"In fact the Artistry Time Defiance Serum do actually can help reduce the wrinkles. For those that have used it before that does not see the results, its either you do not use it correctly. Who to blame? Not Artistry.
Blame on some one that sell you the products but do not have enough product knowledge to teach you to use it. For those that are ex-Amway IBOs that do not benefits from the products. Blame your sponsors that do not teach you how to use it properly and blame yourself to be so guilable and believe 100% what the sponsors said. I do not care if they make millions, sometimes the millions are not make from selling Artistry line of products. There are thousands if not millions of products you can make money from."
Actually I would blame myself for not using it correctly. It's my responsibility to find out what brand will work for me and to find a professional who knows what they are talking about.
"Is Artistry/Amway a pyramid scheme? Yes and No. It depends how that individual practice the business. So can be a Estee Lauder become a pyramid scheme if they do not practice it according to the rules and regulations."
Uh, what? Estee Lauder doesn't have anything to do with this, just like you said Artistry is just a product. Let me get this straight, wouldn't the pyrimid scheme be about the people selling Estee Lauder and not the company itself? Sorry it's hard to respond because that statement is so confusing. All I know is that I know Estee Lauder, and they don't come peddeling for you to invest in their company. Sure Estee Lauder uses deception, for example using a supermodel to get people to think Estee Lauder will make you beautiful. But Artistry/Quixtar/Amway uses deception by telling me that it's some big secret from NASA/Japan and that's the reason we can't find out more about this product! Hey if Artistry is as great as they boast I would be more than happy to buy it! But all the information I have gathered leads me to think otherwise.
'Man its too much to argue who is good and who is bad. I just happened to stop by this page because I think its interesting. I do not have time to write anymore. Maybe I can write a book about Amway and publish it. Maybe I can make a million, since 90% of the population know about Amway both in good way and the bad way."
Yeah I would like to read that book. It's interesting to read the things you have just stated. But the information I have read about Amway/Quixtar is really troubling. All I can say to people is LOOK OUT! I wouldn't go near them with a ten foot pole. And if Artistry turns out to be in fact a good product, I will buy it, but not from Quixtar. If they are truly separate! I would rather pay double for the stuff than support a business that takes advantage of its own people! |
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Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:18 pm |
Wow - this thread has really struck a nerve with a lot of people. And it's quite passionate on both sides of the fence.
I've had to sit through 2 Amway recruits - add that to a list of timeshare sessions, etc - just is not my cup of tea. |
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Mabsy
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Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:26 am |
Indeed people seem to be getting a bit...um... "passionate" about it
Hopefully we can just agree to disagree on this one. |
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Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:38 am |
To be honest I have never heard of it....I've heard of Clinique, Estee Lauder, Lancome etc, but never Artistry, which seems weird if its up there with these well known names. I asked at least 12 girls in the office and nobody has heard of it.... |
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kevinwltan
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Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:37 pm |
The reason why no one really heard about it because Artistry does not sell their products through retail chain. Its not over the counter cosmetic products. Its not available from any skin care/beauty salon either. Its only available through direct distributors who is representing Amway.
Many people here are either love it or they hated it. Many of these people actually do not have any non-biased comments.
A global marketing company that do research and marketing reports to major corporation, has prepared a report in cosmetic/skin care global market for company like Clinique, Lancome, L'oreal, Shiseido, Estee Lauder, etc. actually name Artistry one of the Top 5 name brand globally.
Here is the catch. People who like Artistry might call it the best brand in Top 5. Maybe Artistry is the 5th in Top 5. Who knows? I have not read the report but I know its available for public. The reason why I have not read it, is because the report cost US$330. Does it worth US$330 to proove who is right in the argument? Not me.
Anyone that would like to know if Artistry is as good as people claimed it to be, then they should try the products themselves. Its risk free trial anyway, 6 months/180 days satisfaction 100% money back guarantee.
Remember to keep the receipts and make sure they have the return policy printed on the receipts because some dishonest distributor might not take back the products with excuses.
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