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Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:45 pm      Reply with quote
I love Carmen Dell Orefice, now 82 years old, modeling since she was a teen. She speaks her mind and seems very down to earth despite her haughty model poses. She comes from a very poor background and never would have experienced the dazzling life she has led if not for fashion. Fascinating interview with some controversial statements, including one of her beauty secrets. Zoom in on her model card which lists her sizes and measurements and tell me there is no vanity sizing today!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-2355862/Carmen-DellOrefice-82-year-old-model-reveals-secrets-lasting-success.html
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:00 pm      Reply with quote
Yes, Carmen is a real inspiration. Haven't read this yet, but does she make her "spakle" analogy?

Truly an elegant woman.

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Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:20 pm      Reply with quote
What's so great about a person who had everything in life handed to them because of the way they look? She grew up during the depression...everybody was poor.
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:46 pm      Reply with quote
At the time when Carmen started modelling (I think she was 15) it was a barely respectable profession. She is one of those who paved the way for all who followed.

Modelling is harder work than you might think, and while it is true that a certain symmetry of features and proportionate body are the entry requirements, it takes artistry and strength to help create the type of photographic work that is generated. Carmen has worked very hard and is still working in her 80s.

Check out Richard Avedon.
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:42 pm      Reply with quote
Considering she sounded clueless about her experience, and didn't know what she was doing at 15, I don't think it was about her artistry and strength. Some people are just more photogenic than others. I know of a woman whose daughter was walking in a mall and was approached by a modeling agen when she was 13, she now models in Japan. She just had the right looks, at 13 they're not picking models for their strength, personality, or artistry.

Obviously, anything you do in life requires effort and some amount of work. But anyone who says modeling is hard work doesn't know the meaning of physical labor. They're not coming home beet red, covered in sweat and exhausted all for a measily paycheck. I know a lot of models arn't necessarily rich, it's more about the perks and the lifestyle, but they usually go on to marry a very successful, rich man so they're covered either way.
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:59 pm      Reply with quote
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Considering she sounded clueless about her experience, and didn't know what she was doing at 15, I don't think it was about her artistry and strength. Some people are just more photogenic than others. I know of a woman whose daughter was walking in a mall and was approached by a modeling agen when she was 13, she now models in Japan. She just had the right looks, at 13 they're not picking models for their strength, personality, or artistry.

Obviously, anything you do in life requires effort and some amount of work. But anyone who says modeling is hard work doesn't know the meaning of physical labor. They're not coming home beet red, covered in sweat and exhausted all for a measily paycheck. I know a lot of models arn't necessarily rich, it's more about the perks and the lifestyle, but they usually go on to marry a very successful, rich man so they're covered either way.

some good points, wishful....reality-does-bite sometimes
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:21 pm      Reply with quote
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But anyone who says modeling is hard work doesn't know the meaning of physical labor. They're not coming home beet red, covered in sweat and exhausted all for a measily paycheck.


Totally agree.

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Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:27 am      Reply with quote
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at 13 they're not picking models for their strength, personality, or artistry.


I agree. That's why I don't like seeing teenagers modeling cosmetics and fashions that are more suitable to someone decades older. Thankfully, a lot of the supermodels of the past have made a comeback. I much prefer seeing them "selling" since they provide good examples of how I could look/dress since I am the same age.
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"I had little
self-esteem. Just because those men put me on the cover of Vogue, I didn’t have the insight about my own needs and desires to help my partners treat me the way I wanted to be treated. But we all tried. We just didn’t know how to stay together."


Well, I honestly think this is a marvellous phrase "Just because those men put me on the cover of Vogue, I didn't have the insight about my own needs and desires to help my partners treat me the way I wanted to be treated".
So honest. Food for thought.
Thanks Softskin, I've enjoyed reading the article, and I'm not judging at all, there is a time and a life to live at certain times. It is not easy to try to put yourself in other peoples shoes, and few people are capable of that. It's easy to critique.
The more older persons I know, including my mother who is 85 the more I realise how the rules of society can blind us from our real self.
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