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Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:59 am  |
I am really upset, I've been doing the Tanaka facial massage twice daily since reading about it Wednesday morning (followed along on the youtube videos) and have been careful to do the exercises correctly and do the lymph drainage move without pulling my face down.
My upper face looks tight and more rosy, but my lower face looks MORE droopy! Initially, I thought it had also improved, but today it definitely looks more saggy.
I also have what I thought was a bruise on my jawline, but it's not a bruise, it's a small indentation when I smile. It looks really weird. Hubby noticed it when I smiled at him this morning. He looked at it closely and says it looks like a bit of fat on the jawline just disappeared. I looked at a recent smiling pic and I did NOT have that indentation. For those who use(d) Tanaka, has this happened to anyone else after just a few massages? Is this massage something that makes things worse before they get better, or had I better stop and hope things reverse? |
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Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:43 am |
I read several blogs (went on a google frenzy) where people do it twice daily. Should have searched here first.  Thanks for your links, off to have a read... |
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Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:02 pm |
| What does the founder say to do? I think it is always better to go to the source of the program first. It is what I would do! I would also discuss frequency, etc with the founder than other students who may still be on a learning curve and so may not know a thing about how it works. What's more, you may not know what else those people do in addition to Tanaka that may make their crazy schedule safe or work for them. |
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Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:30 pm |
I haven't been able to find info directly from the founder. From what I've read, she is Japanese and the books are not available in English. The videos were uploaded by someone kind enough to put in the time to dub them with the help of a translator. As for how often to do them, the rationale for not doing them every day seems to be related to concerns about diminishing the skin's ability for lymph drainage, which would probably not be a concern after 6 massages.
Doesn't look like anyone else out there has had a similar experience to mine. I will back off for a few days and see what happens. But that hollow area is kinda freaking me out.  |
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Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:55 pm |
I don't think you are the only one who has had that problem. One of the posts in the links I provided read:
| zwayny wrote: |
I was reading on another site about lymph drainage and the side effects of it. someone was saying he is an expert in lymph message and that doing Tanaka message so vigorously could cause skin discoloration. I dismissed the opinion as a criticism that comes from competition. I have done the Tanaka Message for the past 2 months once a day and my initial observation is that it made my skin healthier and smoother. But a couple of weeks back, I noticed a big patch on my right cheek. I also noticed that I started to have noticeable jowls, which I did not have before.
I stopped doing the message and now using rosehip oil which seems to help with the patch. I also noticed the jowls disappearing.
I would luv to be able to do the message again but a bit hesitant.
Anyone experienced similar side effect? Could it be that I should apply less pressure while doing the message? |
Later in that discussion is a suggestion that emptying the face of fluid may cause a deflation effect so wrinkles show up. Maybe that also has an effect on not having the support your skin had when it is was puffier so it now hangs and you get jowls? No clue; just thinking aloud. |
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Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:29 pm |
Yes, de-puffing could lead to a more saggy look. In my case, it's just the marionette lines which initially looked a bit better look a bit worse now and, of course, that weird indentation on the jawline. I am going to stop doing Tanaka for now and try facial exercise instead. If that doesn't work I'll consider giving up and just sagging gracefully until a lift is feasible.  |
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:53 am |
I got skin discolouration on the side of my neck from doing tanaka massage.
Extremely not pleased = me. |
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:14 am |
| catski wrote: |
I got skin discolouration on the side of my neck from doing tanaka massage.
Extremely not pleased = me. |
Like a bruise? Or just darker skin?
Either way, not a good look I'm sure. |
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:40 pm |
Yes, darker skin. Very shocked and displeased by it, indeed.
The reaura is slowly sorting it out, I think.
But no more tanaka for me. Definitely not! |
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:42 pm |
| catski wrote: |
Yes, darker skin. Very shocked and displeased by it, indeed.
The reaura is slowly sorting it out, I think.
But no more tanaka for me. Definitely not! |
Wow...scary! Though I would assume the same thing could happen with facial exercise? (though not everyone might have the same issue obviously) |
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Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:08 am |
I was looking into tanaka videos and then found this thread.
I think it is old dirt and old sebum that has been trapped there for a long time,that tanaka detoxifies from deeper levels to the surface.
Like dead skin at bottom levels/calcification/fibrosis.
Thus you get brownish patch there.
Until this excess dirt is being removed it will look like intendation. |
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Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:18 am |
I can relate to this:
I was deeply massaging with castor oil and jojoba and heard at my forehead a ''crack sound''.Then looking closely i could see a brownish line form vertically my forehead.I thought i was fu**ed if it would stay there.
But the next day was nothing there so i think is dead skin breaking from deeper levels and revealing into the surface.
I think a slight pinching of the skin would help remove the patch. |
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Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:02 pm |
| tompet wrote: |
| Yes, de-puffing could lead to a more saggy look. In my case, it's just the marionette lines which initially looked a bit better look a bit worse now and, of course, that weird indentation on the jawline. I am going to stop doing Tanaka for now and try facial exercise instead. If that doesn't work I'll consider giving up and just sagging gracefully until a lift is feasible. |
tompet, I don't know if you have started face exercises yet, but I wanted to say that I do think exercise and massage are a good combo.
I remember years ago, it seemed that having a toned body that was "cut" so that muscle definition showed through skin was not "in fashion" for ladies and having smooth contours was the "in thing" and considered more attractive and feminine. According to an article in a magazine I read back then, French women achieved that ideal body by getting a good massage after exercise. The article said that the massage after exercise made their legs shapely and toned, but without the muscle shapes showing through the skin like one might see in fitness models. (How times change because today the fitness model look is pretty hip!) I digress, but the idea of massage and exercise working well together brought that to mind.
Why I think a combo of face exercise and face massage is good is not only from witnessing the effect this has in myself and in others who do CFF, which incorporates massage within the exercises, but also from reading other people's experiences with both massage and exercise from other programs.
Sandooch, for example, got good results from doing both Tanaka and Ageless, as her photos in the following threads show:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=46471
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=31539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=2515
And recently I was texting and exchanging photos with a friend of mine and I thought when I looked at the photo I took of my face that I was seeing a fullness I don't remember having. Thinking I might be seeing things, I decided to take photos the next day with a bare face for comparison with previous photos of the same. I was thrilled to see that indeed my lower face had not only filled out into a lovelier, less pointy-chin shape, but also the loose skin I had, about 6 years and 8 months before, that made me have double parentheses on the sides of my mouth when I smiled, has been vacuumed back against my face muscles so that my whole lower looks smooth and firmer. (Another thing I have personally noticed is an increased firmness of my cheek muscles--a feeling I remember from when I was 20 and starting face exercises when I would smile and be very aware of a new resistance my cheeks were giving my mouth; one that wasn't there before.) These comparison pics show you what I mean. |
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Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:56 pm |
| panoslydios wrote: |
I was looking into tanaka videos and then found this thread.
I think it is old dirt and old sebum that has been trapped there for a long time,that tanaka detoxifies from deeper levels to the surface.
Like dead skin at bottom levels/calcification/fibrosis.
Thus you get brownish patch there.
Until this excess dirt is being removed it will look like intendation. |
The thing is that cleansing, exfoliating, pigment remover etc resulted in the darker skin just becoming pink. It was the Reaura that made the difference. |
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Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:45 pm |
| catski wrote: |
| panoslydios wrote: |
I was looking into tanaka videos and then found this thread.
I think it is old dirt and old sebum that has been trapped there for a long time,that tanaka detoxifies from deeper levels to the surface.
Like dead skin at bottom levels/calcification/fibrosis.
Thus you get brownish patch there.
Until this excess dirt is being removed it will look like intendation. |
The thing is that cleansing, exfoliating, pigment remover etc resulted in the darker skin just becoming pink. It was the Reaura that made the difference. |
Sounds good.
So you say you totally removed it.
Could you please describe what you did use exactly ecept of course Reaura? |
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Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:34 pm |
| You massaged so hard you heard a cracking sound?? Are you sure you didn't dislodge or damage the cartilage?? Typically the vertical line that separates the two halves of the skull is fused together as we leave childhood, but there is a percentage of the population that this remains unfused.. I don't think its good to be pushing so hard we hear noises. |
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