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Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:30 am  |
| that whether you micro-needle, exercise or micro-current, the goal is to increase collagen production? Are the changes permanent? IOW...if you stop at some point, do you start to deteriorate from the point you stopped at? Or do you completely go back to before you ever started? Are they all just different means to the same end? |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:22 pm |
No. Microcurrent and facial exercise help tone the muscles: with perseverance they will help sculpt the face if used correctly. MC apparently stimulates 'resting' cells, so, theoretically, collagen and elastin production could be improved, but that is up for debate. And, yes, if you quit practicing them consistently, I believe you would lose the benefit.
On the other hand, needling certainly encourages collagen and elastin formation, the benefit should be longer lasting, and you only need to do it a few times a year. Downside, it hurts, and may require some downtime: you bleed; not for the squeamish! |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:29 pm |
I cant speak to microcurrent. My only experience with it is the BioWave eye lift gadget that supposedly increases the tone of the muscles. It does give a bit of lift when I use it occasionally around my eye area.
Facial exercise, as Billybob says, increases the firmness of the muscles. Like exercising your body to stay fit, the face needs specific targeted exercises too.
Dermal needling does not need to shred the skin. Dr Setterfield's mantra "less is best" with 0.5mm needles once every 28 days, and then 0,3mm needles working up to every day, is effective in triggering the response needed to build collagen. Without the down time. Using the proper products with needles is just as important tho, and so is good nutrition. Skin needs the building blocks to make new collagen.
Does anything you do remain permanent? Not even surgery is permanent (except the scars). Everything is subject to decay unless steps are taken to improve its condition. If you stopped eating, would you still remain alive? |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:22 pm |
| thanks for the clarification. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:27 pm |
Fawnie,
I know that decay continues (obviously). I'm asking if you would quickly revert to your previous state. Or if you would start deteriorating from your "new" state. (Honestly, it makes sense in my head...lol )
When you get a facelift, your face continues to age but you're not going back to your previous state....  |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:46 pm |
| Lorraineg57 wrote: |
Fawnie,
I know that decay continues (obviously). I'm asking if you would quickly revert to your previous state. Or if you would start deteriorating from your "new" state. (Honestly, it makes sense in my head...lol )
When you get a facelift, your face continues to age but you're not going back to your previous state.... |
How would it even be possible to revert to your previous state? You would start deteriorating (aging) from your "new" state. This question comes up from time to time regarding Tretinoin (Retin-A) usage. |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:53 pm |
If it's a short term effect. IE: microcurrent lifts the brow area for a few hours after a treatment but it wears off and isn't at all cumulative.
I'm not saying that's what happens, that's what I'm asking.  |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:54 pm |
Everything is cumulative as long as you use it.
Ive seen women who obviously have had a facelift Old School Style, and obviously havent done anything to maintain themselves. They look like older women who have had a facelift! They reverted to where they would have been had they not had surgery, ie, they look 80 but with marked tear trough depression from too much fat removed, and the necks are scrawny and ropey.
Its a moot argument I think, since everyone starts from a different place, everyone responds differently and everyone reverts at a different pace. Why do you ask? |
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Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:21 pm |
Just unsure as to whether anything besides needling offers anything more than temporary results I guess. Kind of like how lip plumpers "plump" temporarily, I could wear lip plumper gloss every day but my lips really aren't any plumper, I've just pumped them up for a few hours.
Sorry, I'm rambling... |
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Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:56 am |
Well, my reasoning is that a whole lotta "temporaries" = "long lasting". The only "permanent" lip plumper is Silikon1000 but do you really want to commit? http://www.realself.com/Silikon-1000/reviews
Lip plumper products with dipalmitoyl hydroxyproline (DPHP) have a cumulative effect when used regularly and even are shown to stimulate collagen production. Personally Id rather do something gradually and naturally than a heap of fillers, but YMMV. To each her own. |
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Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:31 pm |
My experiments with needling (single needle, right into the wrinkles) began a couple of years ago. The nasty little upper lip lines filled in within weeks, were gone. So did the bunny lines (top of nose) and forehead lines. However, I have to keep on top of it: the muscles that pull to create these wrinkles keep working every time I make an expression. So they re-form, but gradually, not because they were just filled temporarily with a bit of hydration. There is real, new collagen and elastin in those lines, and if I lived in an expressionless way, they would have no reason to re-form. But I don't...    
You'll find a lot of info about needling at Owndoc. Please be careful: take all the instructions re hygiene and safety. |
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Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:36 pm |
Fawnie,
I don't need lip plumper. It's one of the few things I don't need at this point. I was just using it as an example. Thanks for clarifying though. |
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Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:39 pm |
Needl,
thanks for the info. That's pretty impressive. I just need to get up the nerve to try it. I've been on Owndoc, lots of info to digest there. |
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:57 am |
Is there a trusted seller on ebay or where should I order dermaroller products from? I'm in the US if it matters.
I think I'm going to do the mc for my birthday next month. |
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Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:50 pm |
| I've always received correct shippings and reasonably priced products from Owndoc. I also like Sarah Vaughter's down-to-earth approach, her forum, detailed instructions and lack of unrealistic hype. |
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