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Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:18 am      Reply with quote
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I have found some moon shaped patches at Amazon (with little holes in them) that I sleep in. When I wear them consistently (like reverse overlapping parentheses between my eyes) the muscle starts relaxing and the whole area looks plumper.


Can you please give a link?Smile Thanks!

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Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:27 am      Reply with quote
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Grammalow wrote:
I have found some moon shaped patches at Amazon (with little holes in them) that I sleep in. When I wear them consistently (like reverse overlapping parentheses between my eyes) the muscle starts relaxing and the whole area looks plumper.


Can you please give a link?Smile Thanks!


Hitece Anti Aging Crystal 24K Gold Powder Gel Collagen Eye Masks Sheet Patch (10 Pairs) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00H1OI5XC/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_p87PvbZTH2HXV


Or

2 Pack 30 Sheets Purederm Collagen Eye Zone Pad Patches Mask Wrinkle Care https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CTQ0EUY/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_297PvbRJE3R5J

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MyM® Collagen Crystal Eyes Mask Full Covered for Lift, Firm, Anti-wrinkle, Dark Circle and Eyes Bag. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00F7SOGIW/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_X.7Pvb6HXZWVV


Maybe this is what they're talking about?
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Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:41 am      Reply with quote
It's these.

http://www.amazon.com/Expressions-Breathable-Anti-Wrinkle-Patches-Crescent/dp/B00JGAHFIU/ref=sr_1_7?s=beauty&ie=UTF8&qid=1437067858&sr=1-7&keywords=dermagen

They come in other shapes and sizes, and also "fabric". I like these the best. I have put some of the other shapes on eyes, cheeks, etc. Sometimes it's just too much time to put them on, and then take them off and put them back in place. But between the eyes is worth the effort.

They can be used lots of days in a row. When they start leaving a sticky residue on the inside of my eye, I toss them.

I put them in an overlapping reverse parentheses shape, and run them from the inside bridge of my nose up to my forehead. It's hard to show here but: )(
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Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:43 am      Reply with quote
One more thing. The directions say to wait at least 30 minutes after applying creams and serums before applying these, but I gave that up very quickly. They go on immediately afterwards.
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Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:44 am      Reply with quote
Just tolk my derminator for a spin Very Happy It was very quick and almost painless compared to the rollers. And judging from the pinprick bleeding it did just as god a job as the rollers. Total rave so far!
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Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:14 pm      Reply with quote
Here is another microneedling pen demo (not the Derminator) that demonstrates the circular technique:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIawoEfZ7cc

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Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:16 pm      Reply with quote
I find that 0.25 mm Derminator needles hurt way more than a 0.5 mm roller.

Does it mean that I can use the Derminator with 0.25 mm needles only 1 x week? Since it causes as much injury as a 0.5 mm roller ...

Anyone knows? Confused

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Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:20 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Ladies

It's been a month since my first Derminator roll. Since last time, I did my face, neck, chest, arms and thighs, I wasn't sure if my 9 cartridge needle was dull, but after doing my arms and thighs last night, I held it up to a new cartridge, and WOW! The needles seems bent and half the length of the new cartridge. So this week I am switching to the new cartridge and doing my face, neck, and chest. So far I don't see much improvement but it's only been one time. Hoping for the best!
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Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:18 pm      Reply with quote
Also, what do you all think of this for an emulsifier for making vitamin c serum and HA serums?

https://www.bulkactives.com/gelmaker-ultra-emulsifier.html

Also, is the the glycerin that some recipes call for?
https://www.bulkactives.com/epe9010-ethylhexylglycerin-phenoxyethanol.html

Just want to get it right! Thanks for any help!
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:31 am      Reply with quote
I've never used that emulsifier, but I have used glycerin in a homemade serum and got huge, painful acne cysts on my forehead and eyebrow. Never again! I recommend using propylene glycol in place of glycerin.

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Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:57 am      Reply with quote
I have used that preservative EPE9010 for a couple of months and not found any issue.

While I use this cream as an emulsifier.

https://www.bulkactives.com/lab/multi-lamellar-base-creams
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:55 pm      Reply with quote
Hey guys,

Do you know if owndoc have a protocol on their website for stretchmarks and/or scars regarding length of needles, products etc for the derminator?
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:50 pm      Reply with quote
Is it worth getting a preservative so it lasts longer?
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:04 pm      Reply with quote
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I have used that preservative EPE9010 for a couple of months and not found any issue.

While I use this cream as an emulsifier.

https://www.bulkactives.com/lab/multi-lamellar-base-creams


Summer which one do you use on your face and with which actives? Is it good for both vitamin c and vitamin a, as well as hyaluronic acid? Do I still add water?

Sorry new at this. Appreciate the help!
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:10 am      Reply with quote
WFF,

I put EPE9010 into my DIY Vitamin C serum; for the cream/emulsifier, I dissolve Glucosamine, Niacinamide, Glutathione, Vit E into water & mix them with the cream.
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:54 am      Reply with quote
summer2004 wrote:
WFF,

I put EPE9010 into my DIY Vitamin C serum; for the cream/emulsifier, I dissolve Glucosamine, Niacinamide, Glutathione, Vit E into water & mix them with the cream.



What do you use the multi lamellar base cream with?
Can I use that and just add vitamin C or A or hyaluronic acid, or do I need to add something else to make it work? Thank you so much for your help!
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Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:11 pm      Reply with quote
Finally done it, ordered my derminator, crunch crunch, now i'll have to find my courage
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Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:07 am      Reply with quote
WFF,

I posted the wrong link.

This is the one I use.

https://www.bulkactives.com/lab/liposome-microemulsions/pre-liposome-microemulsion-base.html

Dissolve the water based actives and mix them with this cream/serum and then done.

You may ask Bulk Actives question in her forum.
https://www.bulkactives.com/index.php?route=information/forum
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:19 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks Summer! I did my 3rd medical roll last night - spaced a month apart. My face is red, red, and did I say RED! Love it though. Just got my vitamin c powder and made my first batch just with water and sprayed it on. Stings a lot.

Question: What is the layering process if you use HA and also vitamin A. Which goes first second and third?

I'll keep you updated if I start to see results.
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Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:35 am      Reply with quote
Penta wrote:
Hey guys,

Do you know if owndoc have a protocol on their website for stretchmarks and/or scars regarding length of needles, products etc for the derminator?


The documents can be downloaded from owndoc.com. The one on Derminator operation refers back to the general one for rolling for specifics on each issue. This one contains a section on stretch marks and scars, and I believe they are in the table of contents.
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:54 am      Reply with quote
WFF,

I do not use HA serum.

For the first night of the rolling, I just put on emu oil.

Then, 2nd night I put on Retin-A as usual.

By the way, your mileage may vary.
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:16 pm      Reply with quote
I was just looking closely in the mirror and am happy to report a definite, visible improvement in my smoker's lines. They are much more shallow and shorter. I've done 5 treatments, spaced about a month apart, and am due for another, so it's been six months.

Be patient - this thing really works!

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Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:31 pm      Reply with quote
This thing would be a good thing to use in place of saran wrap for covering up the numbing cream, or over saran wrap to hold it in place:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JIN8BTW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2IHFYXL8J5X97

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Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:56 pm      Reply with quote
Immacolata wrote:
I was just looking closely in the mirror and am happy to report a definite, visible improvement in my smoker's lines. They are much more shallow and shorter. I've done 5 treatments, spaced about a month apart, and am due for another, so it's been six months.

Be patient - this thing really works!


That's so great to hear Immacolata! I am on my third session so going to keep it up. I made my first vitamin C serum. It's been in the fridge for 4 days. How do I tell if it's still good.

Also, has anyone had their derminator pop the magnet out. It came flying out and i can put it back in and the machine works, but when it put it away the magnet falls out which it didn't before. Any ideas?
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Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:19 pm      Reply with quote
wrinklefreeforever wrote:
Also, has anyone had their derminator pop the magnet out. It came flying out and i can put it back in and the machine works, but when it put it away the magnet falls out which it didn't before. Any ideas?


Turn the magnet the other way around.

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