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Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:25 am      Reply with quote
I get most of my actives from Skin Actives or Lotioncrafters.

They have a lot of actives that are meant to be mixed into 4 ounces of lotion or serum.

For example, the container of ascorbic palmitate can be mixed into 4 oz of cream or oil.

I do use a scale because I want to add 1/4 of the container of vitamin C to whatever base Iím using.

I take a little oil from the 1 ounce and mix in the vitamin c to see how well it mixes together and then add the rest of the 1 ounce of oil after Iím happy with the mixture. Sometimes waiting a little while to let the powder dissolve or warming it a little bit by placing the container in a warm water bowl helps. Then, add the percentage of vitamin E that you want. I just squirt some in because whatever amount you like seems to be okay. Iíd like to get some CoQ10 to add to it as they all work well together.

I use distilled water or hyaluronic acid for water based actives and kiwi oil or any carrier oil that I want for oil based actives.

Hyaluronic acid is so simple to make: 1 ounce of distilled water and 1/2 teaspoon hyaluronic powder. You donít even mix, just put it in refrigerator overnight or as many hours as it takes to create a gel. I use this as a base for the Natural Active Peptides from Skin Actives.

Iím using Retinyl Acetate powder for vitamin A but they also have a serum. But you can also find it in pills and drops that can work. Skin Actives recommends to use it in a lotion or cream. Same calculation as the vitamin C. If the whole container is supposed to go into 4 ozs, I use 1/4 of container to 1 ounce of base and then I can up the percentage easily in the next batch. Iím going to try it in the HA also for evening application right after a roll. I keep all my DIYís in the fridge unless I use it up right away. Just like that itís preserved better.

I use the throw away condiment cups with a lid from Walmart for containers. You get 50 in a package and you can write on the tops of the lid what it is and date it. Theyíre under $3.

I just completed a roll to make a total of 6 weekly rolls and Iím really impressed how my skin looks and held up. Yay!!
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Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:04 pm      Reply with quote
MaryClaire wrote:


Hyaluronic acid is so simple to make: 1 ounce of distilled water and 1/2 teaspoon hyaluronic powder. You donít even mix, just put it in refrigerator overnight or as many hours as it takes to create a gel. I use this as a base for the Natural Active Peptides from Skin Actives.


Thank you! What weight hyaluronic acid do you use? Fir example, ELMW, SLMW, ULMW, etc.? Do you buy from Skin Actives or Lotioncrafters?

I see on the Lotioncrafters site they post a formula to use LMW, but this article says that LMW HA can lead to inflammation: http://barefacedtruth.com/2015/03/31/hyaluronic-acid-yes-size-does-matter/

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Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:11 pm      Reply with quote
I have been using one of the higher weight HA, the one with 1-1.5 million daltons from Lotioncrafters.

But I don't know which one is better to use for derma rolling. The lower is supposed to absorb better. I lather it on thick and my skin seems to absorb it...there are some flakes but only because I put it on so thick.

Maybe someone can clear this up for us.
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Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:49 am      Reply with quote
MaryClaire wrote:
I have been using one of the higher weight HA, the one with 1-1.5 million daltons from Lotioncrafters.


Thanks MaryClaire - I just ordered the same. Read the lower molecular weight can promote inflammation.

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Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:32 pm      Reply with quote
HI MaryClaire,

Thank you for sharing about the actives . Are you going to wait a month before you do another needling session? Also do you find the needling is helping with pigmentation.?

I feel the derminator is the best thing since sliced bread ,lol . I'm hoping its not too soon but I feel the skin on my neck and chest is tighter and thicker . It's possible ,I'm assuming because I had two medical needling treatments done before I started the weekly sessions with the derminator

Thank you to everyone who is sharing about what they are doing with the derminator ,actives used and results ,as it is very encouraging and helpful

I was able to go up to 1.5 on my neck this last session w still hardly any pinpoint bleeding . 1.25 on my chest is all I can handle and it does create pinpoint bleeding .

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Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:39 pm      Reply with quote
You're very welcome. Yes, I definitely think it's helping with the pigmentation. Maybe there is more peeling when you do it so often. I didn't really notice my skin peeling but I fed it a lot of product so maybe I didn't notice.

Don't know yet when I'll repeat because I don't know what Fernandez recommends. If anyone knows, would really appreciate the info.

I am going to start penetration rolls with a .3 or .25 next week and work up to doing them 3 or 4 times a week. I know that Fernandez does recommend that after the six weekly sessions. He even wants you to do it every nite if your skin can tolerate it.

I wouldn't want to hurry with another 6 week session because I don't want to take the chance of disrupting any collagen forming. I think it takes up to 3 months to see the full benefit.

Yes, I do love my derminator!
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Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:08 pm      Reply with quote
Just wanted to give an update on the red blood dots taking 4 days to go away after 1.0 roll.

I did my 2nd aggressive 1.0 roll. This time I immediately got in the shower & drained my hot water heater before I got out. I then took maryclairs suggestion to use fawnies silk mask. Then a thin layer of infadolan for the night. It didn't help .... I still had the red blood dots for 4 full days.

On owndoc I read someone else who took ibuprofen & fish oil daily had this same problem. When they stopped a few days before a roll, they didn't have the lingering dots. I take fish oil & also ibuprofen daily to manage arthritis. If I stop the ibuprofen my hands hardly function. I'll have to put up with 4 days of red dots but can't do the weekly rolls some of you are having a lot of success with.
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Sun Feb 28, 2016 5:53 am      Reply with quote
Hi Beth,

I wonder if you are experiencing petechiae.

I looked it up and it says petechiae is a small (1Ė2 mm) red or purple spot on the skin, caused by a minor bleed (from broken capillary blood vessels).

I get a few of them too and they do take days to clear up. They are always were I got a little too aggressive.

Remember how the doctors used to say you had to draw blood? Well, we're drawing blood, it's just not coming thru the skin so maybe it's not such a bad thing.
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Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:37 am      Reply with quote
With the recent Dr. Fernandes less agressive rolls, is he saying to do 6 consecutive sessions with 1mm rollers or less and do these every 2-3 days for 6 sessions? After the 6 sessions, do you take a break and how long? Does he also suggest weekly rolls thereafter or even more frequent?

P.S. I have been rolling for 2 years now, have been doing 1mm-2mm rolls with the derminator every 6 weeks and I have had really good results, but it is very gradual. I'm wondering if Dr. Fernandes latest less agressive rolls can produce better results.
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Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:42 am      Reply with quote
bethbb wrote:
Just wanted to give an update on the red blood dots taking 4 days to go away after 1.0 roll.

I did my 2nd aggressive 1.0 roll. This time I immediately got in the shower & drained my hot water heater before I got out. I then took maryclairs suggestion to use fawnies silk mask. Then a thin layer of infadolan for the night. It didn't help .... I still had the red blood dots for 4 full days.

On owndoc I read someone else who took ibuprofen & fish oil daily had this same problem. When they stopped a few days before a roll, they didn't have the lingering dots. I take fish oil & also ibuprofen daily to manage arthritis. If I stop the ibuprofen my hands hardly function. I'll have to put up with 4 days of red dots but can't do the weekly rolls some of you are having a lot of success with.


I have been rolling for 2 years now and every time I get red dots too on every agressive roll. It takes a good 4 days for it to go away. I don't take any medication that cause more bleeding. It must just be the way my skin is.
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Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:55 pm      Reply with quote
I get a few red spots, always on my cheek area, nowhere else. It fades quickly, but it's always there, lasts around 2 days. I follow Owndoc's advice, doing a 1.5 or 1.75 every four weeks (when I also use the single needle on lip lines), and in between, usually twice a week I do 0.25. Whichever I do I always get a few red spots on cheeks, and I think "Oh no, not the hives again", but it isn't hives, there's no itching, just red spots. I only use HA and Vit C after rolling. I use Retin A on a different day to needling.
My skin is thicker, some fine lines nearly gone, but if all I do is slow down this ageing process I'll be a happy bunny. 7 months since I started the derminator.
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Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:16 pm      Reply with quote
Hi everyone. I'm wading through all the talk about the Derminator and have decided to throw myself on your mercy and just ask my questions and hope some of you will answer even if it's all been said before!
I've done lots of derma-rolling on myself, none for a few years now. Time has come, when I need to return to dermarolling, but this time on my sons face, to help get rid of acne scarring. Do you think the Derminator is better than a straightforward roller? And is there a new protocol that I don't know about? I used vit c, copper peptides, rose hip oil, infadolan.
I feel mildly freaked by derma-rolling on somebody else's face, even though I was pretty gung Ho about my own, so I really want to be sure I'm doing it all optimally.
Thanks!
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Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:36 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Catski,

Hope this takes you to the pdf...I believe it is taken from a 2013 book with the same name that you can buy on Amazon right now but it's expensive and this tells you a lot.

http://www.kvm-medizinverlag.de/out/media/Illustrated_Guide_Percutaneous_Collagen_Induction.pdf

HTH
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Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:26 am      Reply with quote
Thank you! Just looked over it and seems like I do know what I'm doing already, no new tips or tricks.
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I don't want to get a script from a doctor for numbing cream.

Does anyone have a good source? I've use Dr. Numb in the past and I've liked it but can't find it anymore. It had a mixture of lidocaine and prilocaine and I really liked it.

I'm surprised that owndoc doesn't sell something. Any recommendations? Thanks!
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Catski, I forgot to comment on the derminator. I do like it better than rolling especially if you're doing medical rolls.

The needle goes up and down at a 90 degree angle and the professionals think this is better than coming at an angle.

You can easily change from a 9 needle to a single needle.

You have better access to skin around the eyes or any tight areas.

I like the circular paths that I use with the terminator rather than the vertical, horizontal and star patterns of the rollers. I don't use the timer feature. I just keep needling until I my skin turns a pleasing shade of red.

One of the cons is that the maximum needle depth is 2.25 so if you want to go deeper you'll have to use a different device.

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Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:16 pm      Reply with quote
I need to get a derminator finally. It's my next gadget without a doubt! I should do a roll with my knock off dermapen. I used it months back when I first got it and actually got a good roll out of it. But derminator is definitely next on my wish list.
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Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:31 am      Reply with quote
HI MaryClaire,

Here is a great place for 10% lidocaine . I got it in 3 days . Fast email response too. I wound up getting a prescription numbing cream after all, but this helped
https://www.koreangs.com/pain-relief

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Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:55 pm      Reply with quote
Thank u miracleskin29
I was just about to ask regarding numb creams
How long do you leave the numb cream for before you start rolling?
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HI Preciousia,

I'm actually experimenting with this . It seems that different numbing creams take longer and wear off ar different times . The 10% I've been leaving on for 45min to an hour . What seems to be more important in my case,is putting a thick layer on .

Also , even though this is good for otc, the prescription one if have still works much better and faster

Hth

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miracleskin29

yes, that helps. thanks

i remember when i used to get laser, the numbing process is about 45min to 1 hour
plus they will put something that looks like cling wrap over it.

what is the name of the prescription numbing cream? i think i will need a good numbing cream

i found Xylocaine / 5% lidocaine. Not sure where to get EMLA
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Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:50 pm      Reply with quote
Preciousia,

It triple numbing cream ,benzocaine ,lidocaine ,tetracaine .

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Preciousia,

It triple numbing cream ,benzocaine ,lidocaine ,tetracaine .


i found a compounding chemist here that sells that combo, is the strength the same?

3% Benzocaine, 4% Lidocaine and 3% Tetracaine
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Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:20 am      Reply with quote
Here is where I ordered my numbing cream:

http://www.biosenseclinical.com/detail.aspx?Z=68977

Power of 3 numbing agents:

Benzocaine 20%
Lidocaine 6%
Tetracaine 4%

They state that it only takes 15 min to numb the area if you cover it with Saran Wrap.

They are in Canada and the RPh will contact you to ask you what you plan to use it for, where you are using it, and how often. CYA I guess since its compounded by them.

To answer another question further up, LMWHA does not trigger inflammation, in fact it helps alleviate it. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Stefano_Cavicchini/publication/51415444_Low_molecular_weight_hyaluronic_acid_increases_the_self-defense_of_skin_epithelium_by_induction_of_beta-defensin_2_via_TLR2_and_TLR4/links/00b7d520b2f1ae906d000000.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3486775/

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Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:01 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Preciousia,

The one I have is

B-20%
L10%
T-6%

Fawnie,
Thank you for the link to your numbing cream. I like the FAQ on it. It is interesting how triple numbing creams have different percentages

Im sitting here w it on my face trying it out w a face mask for product penetration instead of the Saran Wrap . Whatever it takes to look young lol

I'm editing to add that for me even this strong of s product I need to leave it on 30-45 minutes and that is a thick layer with the Saran Wrap .Also one thing that helped , is when I take it off section by section , I start with the easier areas ,scrape it off with a butter knife ,put it on the more sensitive area that already has numbing cream ,to put on a thicker layer ,without adding more total numbing cream . After I scrape it off,before i needle , I of course wipe or wash it off

Hth someone and thanks again everyone for posting about your experience with this

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