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Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:27 pm  |
Hi - I'm curious. Why, when there is so much real research into Copper Peptides with positive results, is it that compared to other active skincare ingredients they are used in so few skincare products?
Is it just not 'sexy' anymore? Is it because there is evidence that it doesn't work? Is it because customers will only buy into rapid improvements? Or, maybe it's expensive to license because there's a patent?
I just wonder - if you're passing. Thanks |
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:12 pm |
I can't speak for Ian, but I didn't realize that there was a lack of skin care products using CP's. To the contrary, the market is flooded with them. Practically every skin care line form Neova to Oil of Olay has at least one product that contains copper peptides.
As for why we aren't using them, we looked into it, and even though the research is promising, we decided to go a different course. We didn't feel that we could make a product that contains cp's that hasn't been made already. It would be sort of like re-inventing the wheel, so to speak.
Lately our research has been more focused on other mimetic peptides and growth factors, in addition to some promising findings on the effects of certain root extracts native to a region of Asia. |
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Sun Apr 24, 2005 7:30 am |
There are many approaches to skin care and skin remodelling out there. The use of copper peptides is clearly one of them. I've read the research and was impressed by it so I tried a CP program and gave it considerable time. The fact is, it just didn't do much for my skin.
I still use a SuperCop serum after a glycolic peel, but that is the only time I use it. I've just gotten better results with the program I'm using now.
I've become a devotee of IS Clinical (as I think some of you have figured out  ) and I also am very happy with the addition of Prevage. The IS Clinical line seems to depend more on vitamin C and I love the results.
I'm a little perplexed by your question Molly. Most skincare lines tend to specialize in a particular approach to skincare. Since no company has unlimited r&d funds, it seems to me that those funds are better spent delving into advances in the approach the company specializes in. That is even more emphatically the case when, as Darren said, there are no shortage of CP based products out there if you want them, and if they work for you. |
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Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:53 am |
Hi
Thanks Darren. I think the EDS board has blinded me slightly. As hardly anyone here seems to use CPs, except me I start to imagine that there aren't any products out there and I was wondering if maybe I had missed some negative reports.
Hi Katee. Actually, my question was badly put, you're right to be perplexed. I wasn't really asking them why they don't use CPs. What I was really asking (admittedly in a really roundabout way) is about research and testing. You say the companies are about specialising in a kind of approach, but it seems to me that they all carry the same 'buzzword' kind of active ingredients, maybe within different formulations, but there never seems to be any rigorous testing of these active ingredients. Some small, limited testing but nothing on as big a scale as the CPs. why is that? Or am I missing that research too?
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Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:02 am |
Hiya Molly...
I wouldn't necessarily judge things by what you see here (much as I love the forum...). Forum users use certain products, rave about them, others try them, etc. If you too a survey of what the regular posters here use, I'd bet you'd see a different profile than if you did the same survey in a general population of women with the same demographics, etc.
I'd love to see more research regarding skin products done by truly objective testers, but the fact is that research money is scarce and probably better spent on solving problems that threaten health than making us more adorable  . With that said, though, there is certainly a very broad body of research on things like the use of vitamin C, retinoids, and also skin improving hardware - the use of different lasers, light therapy, etc.
I'm particular about what I put on my skin and what I put in my body. I also am immediately sceptical when a company promises miraculous and/or immediate results. I think the fact that you want to see more research about different approaches to healthy skin is most definitely a good thing... |
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Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:52 am |
The research on copper peptides is for healing wounds. I also use it after glycolic acid face peels. There are no instant cures. I have found large improvement in my wrinkles using diet, peels, face exercises, vit C products and retin A and derivitives (down to only one and fine lines at around 50). This is over 2 years though. I don't believe in the companies that talk fast fix. They're nearly all just looking to make a fast buck. AHAs (including gycolic acid, vit C (and C+E), retin A,and green tea derivitives have all been shown in peer reviewed studies to actually improve skin health. Copper peptides have been shown to improve wound healing. Everybody's skin is different.
Research is good but results have to be open to peer criticism to be believed. Companies also of course want their own proprietary thing so they can sell it. I think the reason most don't have real trials of their proprietary mixes is that many things work somewhat and a ranking only benefits one product.
P.S. Estriol (mild form of estrogen cream) has also been shown to reduce wrinkles in two peer reviewed studies. The other ingredients I listed above have many studies some involving skin biopsies. |
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Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:00 am |
Hi,
I have been using CP's so has Guapa. I have put it on hold at moment because I am using Obagi. The CP's didn't seem to be doing that much for me although I know it is a long slow process, after all it took me 42 years to get my skin in this state so why would it be mended instantly. I will use again when on obagi maintainance. I guess I just like quicker results so am hurrying it along. I think there are others on here that use Cp but we all tend to rant and rave about things that work quickly. You don't really notice the cp improvement because it is slow whereas some of the other stuff makes a difference in a couple of weeks. God I waffle. |
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