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free skin care · Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:32 pm

I have recently become addicted to this site...and I have so many questions!

I am 30 - my main skin concerns are fine lines around eyes, 1 laugh line on the left side of my mouth Sad

and starting to notice a loss of firmness.

I have generally normal skin (a little oily on forehead)...but I sometimes have strange reactions to creams which should not cause a reaction (an itchy rash with very small bumps)

I have tried retin-A which I found to be drying. I was also concerned about using it because it thins the skin and I feel like it will increase wrinkling in the long run (since my skin will get thinner and thinner).

I have read the questions about Argireline - so I would prefer to stay away from ADCE and Okusil.

Can people PLEASE suggest eye/face creams and serums and tell me what order to use them in. I'm thinking Vivier C is going to be one of my new products...hope it doesn't irritate me. Where in the sequence should Vivier C be used?

THANKS!!!

free skin care · Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:05 pm

Where you are only 30 you should see some dramatic changes when you start using a good skincare line. If you tend to be sensitive I would suggest that you start off using a Vit. C serum of 10%. After your skin gets used to 10% C you can advance to Vivier C 20%. The best time to apply C is in the AM prior to exposure to the elements.

You mentioned that have had rashes from skin care products. Dr. Hauschka has a lovely all natural line for all skin types. Dr. H.'s cleansing cream is one of my favorite products.

Surely you will get a lot of good advice on EDS. Very Happy

Winnie

free skin care · Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:09 pm

yes, dr. H is great for us gals with sensitive skin. also you may want to look at decleor.

Sun May 01, 2005 12:49 am

I would highly recommend the Vivier 10% serum (don't start with anything higher at this stage) or the Skinceuticals Serum 10 depending on what texture you like. The Skinceuticals Serum 10 is a more watery serum which dries on contact and makes (my) skin feel a little tight until I put on moisturiser. The Vivier has a more substantial texture and does not feel drying on the skin and leaves my skin comfortable. Also, the Vivier seems to be gentler overall.

A vitamin C serum should be used after cleansing your face and before applying moisturiser.

In terms of the eye area, I would really suggest that you also use a vit C serum here (you might need a lower strength one here perhaps) and then follow up with an eye cream and SPF (or an eye cream with SPF). In terms of nice eye creams, Murad Essential C is a very good one with SPF. The Cellcosmet Eye Contour Cream is a very good non-SPF eye cream (albeit pricy) and I really like the Babor Sensational Eyes cream as well.

Decleor Harmonie Essentielle is a wonderful cream when it comes to calming down rashes and dealing with sensitive skin in general Wink

free skin care · Sun May 01, 2005 7:43 am

Thanks guys!

What cream would you suggest to use over he Vivier C on the face?

Mabsy recommended a less strong Vit C around the eye (on the eyelid too?) what would you suggest?

Does Vit C not make your skin sensistive to sun? Should I not apply the Vit C in the P.M. before my mosturizer?

Is a facial cream like Strivectin something for me?

free skin care · Sun May 01, 2005 8:44 am

Hi Cautious newbie,

I just use a HA over my C serum, and then put on sunscreen. That seems to be enough moisture for me recently, but everyone is different.

Again, with the vit C, everyone can tolerate differnt amounts. I am fine with 15% around my eyes, but I am not sure if most people do this. The Vivier eye serum is 5%, I believe. Skinceuticals is 5% also. IS Clinical has one that is 7.5%. You could try the 10% though, and then follow it up with a good eye cream. I would not put c-serum on my eyelid though; just under the brow and around.

Vit C has never made me sensitive to sunlight, but I am not sure if it can. Vit C actually helps protect your skin from the sun and fight against free radical and solar damage. This is the reason that I think Mabsy said to put it on in then morning. It will make your sunscreen/block stronger. Once Vit c is in your skin, the half life is three days, so with that in mind, you could put it on at night if you preferred.

I used to use StriVectin, and I really liked it. It does get mixed reviews though. I thought it was a great moisturizer and it really help keep my skin balanced all day. I even put that around my eyes, and liked the results. The only reason I stopped is because I got a little tired of layering. Pudoodles really likes it too. If you want to try the Strivectin, I would order it from skinstore.com. The have the guaranteed best online price. You just have to enter your email address on the StriVectin page and they will mail you a coupon code. In my experience it has always been about $35-$40 off.

I hope this helps Very Happy

free skin care · Sun May 01, 2005 8:55 am

Faith,

what do you do in p.m.? Vit C and HA only?

With Trivectin, what did you need to layer, the Vit c? I got the impression that Trivectin has everything in it...

free skin care · Sun May 01, 2005 9:08 am

Cautious newbie wrote:

Faith,

what do you do in p.m.? Vit C and HA only?

With Trivectin, what did you need to layer, the Vit c? I got the impression that Trivectin has everything in it...

Yup, that's all I do now, and eyecream. Before that though, I often use MDSkincare Alpha Beta Peels. Sometimes I do a moisture mask...maybe once every 10 days...if I am not too lazy.

When I was using the StiVectin, I was using it morning and night. The layering that I was tired of was in the morning, after my serums but before sunscreen. The creams just wouldn't soak in and I couldn't put on make up. If I got up earlier, maybe it all would have worked out, but I just decided to simplify. StriVectin also needs to be used twice a day, they say; once a day may not give you results. StriVectin can do alot, but it doesn't have spf, and I don't think the Vit C is that kind that can get absorbed deeply by the skin. It is also a very low %.

free skin care · Sun May 01, 2005 10:08 am

Hi Cautious Newbie! I agree with Faith re: the SV - it tends to be one of those controversial products and usually gets pretty extreme reviews (fab or lousy!). I have had great results with SV around the eyes - and experienced wonderful improvement in overall skin texture with SV (I'm 40, pretty normal skin, face-paced lifestyle leaves me with dehyration at times and stress makes me skin go crazy - hives, rashes..)For me, SV is soothing and doesn't make me break out - *but* it has a stong pepperminty scent that can be really bothersome for some!).

I use Skinceuticals C serum 20% concentration with the SV....not having tried vc, I agree that you should start with a lesser concentration (10%). The Vivier C is lovely stuff! Beautiful texture and great if you want to avoid the after-tightness normally associated with VC app! For me, the SV and C serum regime worked beautifully - and while I am always experimenting to see if there is something better for me out there, I am *never* without SV (currently my neck and decollete treatment..)In the past I have used it for face, eyes, neck & decollete, hands and body...for me it truly is an "anywhere/anything" cream.

Re: eye creams - I *love* cellcosmet - it's pricier (but you get twice as much as what is usually packaged in an eye treatment) and it really gives a youthful look around the eye area (wonderful smoothing effect.. and the skin *looks* younger - not just firmer - which, for me, really sets it in apart from others..) but it is concentrated - so go easy with it if you try it (EDS has a great trial pack you can buy!).

Another product I'd highly recommend is the ADCE and Prep (Janson-Beckett)...this stuff is great for firming the skin and smoothing out the eye area...it gets pretty extreme mixed results as well (fab or lousy!)..I'd tell anyone to give it a shot!! While in the winter it's not enough for my skin, I fully intend to try it again in the coming warmer months...the ADCE and Prep give amazing firming results in no time at all - and it has a pretty impressive list of ingredients!
Good luck!
Very Happy

Pudoodles

free skin care · Sun May 01, 2005 7:14 pm

Ok, so I'm thinking for the eye area:

Vivier C at 10%...and the the cellcosmet can go on top?...Would Decleor Hydrotenseur fit into here as well or would I be using the Decleor instead of the Cellcosmet?

(I have a tester and have used it for 1 day...and as long as my eyes aren't playing tricks on me...the stuff seems to be working Very Happy

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For the face, I have not yet decided what to put on top of the vivier C. What HA product do you use Faith?

free skin care · Sun May 01, 2005 7:23 pm

I use IS clinical hydra cool. The ingredients are Hyaluronic Acid, Vitamin B5, Kojic Acid, Menthol, Centella Asiatica Extract.

free skin care · Sun May 01, 2005 7:31 pm

by the way....

where does one buy Vivier? I live in Toronto.

free skin care · Sun May 01, 2005 7:38 pm

Cautious newbie wrote:

by the way....

where does one buy Vivier? I live in Toronto.

You can buy it off of EDS...and Canadian shipping is only $5...I think

free skin care · Sun May 01, 2005 7:59 pm

I believe Argireline is near worthless. I tried peptide products with little success (and the one with mostly Argireline worked worst). I am near 50 and have only one small wrinkle. Two years ago I had many. I believe this is due to a high Omega 3 diet (and no sugar or white flour), face exercises, home peels (glycolic and salicylic acid) and vit C+E preparations. I also do use some Retin A. I'm sure that you can find or make a vit C prep that is suited to your skin. There are so many different bases and the best depends on your skin type.

Good Luck!

free skin care · Sun May 01, 2005 8:08 pm

[quote="Cautious newbie"]Ok, so I'm thinking for the eye area:

Vivier C at 10%...and the the cellcosmet can go on top?...Would Decleor Hydrotenseur fit into here as well or would I be using the Decleor instead of the Cellcosmet?

I can't believe I forgot to mention the Decleor Hydrotenseur! I love it!..when I'm really tired or puffy I use it underneath the cellcosmet eye cream - I just let it dry completely before applying the cellcosmet. BTW, you're not imagining a lift with the Hydrotenseur - it's particularly fabulous on the eye lids!!
Pudoodles

free skin care · Mon May 02, 2005 8:55 am

what are the active ingredients in Decleor hydrotenseur? Is it also for under the eye fine lines? Can it be used everyday for line defence?

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