Newbie concerned about derivitives of HA/Collegen tablets!
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Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:26 am

Hi all! Pleasure to meet you, my name is Nova!

I have medium sized lips but I think they have potential to be plumper... I have used CityLips, Sovage Transdermal lip plumper, Liquid Kiss and a cheap Avon collegen lipstick.

I was contacted by CareKate on makeupalley, I was asking for a plumper that actually worked. then I saw the thread posted around Xmas time about the HA/Collegen tablets, I was thrilled, and intrigued.... but I'ma vegeterian, since I was 10 (I'm 1 Cool

cause I have a sensitive stomach.. and my system rejects any animal by-product now Sad

I was wondering if these tablets could be a from a non-animal source? At all? *crosses fingers* lol

The Sovage did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, the avon/Liquidkiss's results were very temporary and the CityLips seemed to work the best and looked the most natural because my lips didn't look irritated and red... it was a nice pink swell. But alas, my lips somehow got immuned to it or something.

Looking forward to chit-chat!

free skin care · Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:48 pm

hey Nova!
I think the HA stuff is vegetarian at all(hope so Confused

)but you have to be careful with the Brands...The best way is to ask Carrie (carekate) Very Happy

shes the ultimative Lips expert!
If youre searching for a good lip plumper:i heard Lipfusion should be the best...and all vegetarian Wink

Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:47 am

Nova - looking at the ingredients of the Source Naturals HA that Carrie sent me, there is nothing there to indicate that there is any animal by-product. *However*, down the bottom it says "BioCell Collagen II is made from 100% pure cartilage". I'm not sure what that means in terms of your stomach sensitivity though. From what Carrie posted before, not all HA tabs have Collagen in them (though I recall her saying that the combination is more effective). But I've also read that HA itself can either be animal derived or genetically engineered. I don't know how correct this is but you can read about it on http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/1352 and then do more searching to confirm.

free skin care · Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:01 am

Hi Nova -

I replied to your MUA mail message to direct you to info regarding the animal/non-animal sources of HA/collagen supplements (I think it’s discussed around pg 5 of the massive “Eureka” thread). Also, I’d like to direct your attention to this link for more info: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7790&highlight=collagen There is a supplement available that only contains hyaluronic acid, which I bought at my local Walgreens store, and which is – in fact – the item that started this whole discovery about the lip plumping benefits of taking HA supplements internally, but I don’t know if plain HA is also derived from animal sources, so you might need to research that yourself.

As for the best topical lip plumper, that would have to be – hands down – the LipFusion. If you perform of a search of this site using “LipFusion” or “Lip Fusion” as the key words, it should return several threads were other members have posted their opinions on this product.

Welcome to the EDS family -- feel free to come in and make yourself at home! Very Happy

HTH,
Carrie

Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:14 am

Ok, thanks a bunch! I think I read the massive Eureka thread up to page 4, 'cause my computer acts up sometimes.

The Bio Collagen II is indeed made from chicken cartiledge... and from sources on Google HA itself is made from Rooster Combs (whatever combs are! lol)... so I typed up "vegetarian hyaluronic acid" and came up with BioSynergy with MSM (methylsulfonylmethane... sounds painful)... it claims their Hyaluronic Acid (120MG, wow) is made from Sodium Hyaluronate (sounds like a form of salt) and is "suitable for vegetarians."
(the site is here.. http://www.biosynergy.com/hyaluronic.htm)

It is like 35.00 US dollars tho, which is steep.. but I'll keep it in mind and keep you updated on the search. And I'm gonna go to Walgreens and see what I can find out!

free skin care · Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:23 am

Nova wrote:

... and from sources on Google HA itself is made from Rooster Combs (whatever combs are! lol)...

A rooster “comb” is the fleshy little crest on top of the bird’s head. You know, like if you were looking at a picture of Foghorn Leghorn, it would be the stuff on top of his head that we would consider to be his (pompadour) “hair”!! (Obviously I watched *way* too many Warner Brothers cartoons when I was younger Embarassed

)

ETA - see if you can manage to get your computer to go to page 5 of the Eureka thread, because I think that’s where the discussion is about organic/non-organic HA/collagen supplements. If I recall, I think that Judy Marshall even tried the non-animal derived brand that Nova mentioned....

Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:40 am

Good plan, I'll continue to be reading further into that thread :)Thanks for the rooster combs info. Foghorn, I say I say, Foghorn has a pompadour!

okok, Gonna go back to reading now... Embarassed

Thanks again

free skin care · Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:59 am

I emailed a Dr Garcia, plastic Surgeon in Las Vegas about taking Collagen tablets and he advised they are a BIG waste of time... He has a brilliant website where you can post any question and he answers for FREE. www.lvcosmeticsurgery.com Worth a read!

free skin care · Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:16 am

We aren't talking about collagen tablets...we're talking about Hyaluronic Acid tablets.... It seems that the addition of Bio Collagen II makes the HA more effective. I was skeptical when I first read carekate's post, not cause I don't trust her, but just because I'm always a little skeptical. But seeing is believing!

As for the illustrious Dr. G....I'm not normally a betting kind of gal BUT since he's a Vegas doc I'll break profile and lay a wager that HE says that the only effective way to plum your lips is with collagen injections which HE just happens to be an expert at administering....

Smiling sweetly.

free skin care · Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:11 am

katee wrote:

We aren't talking about collagen tablets...we're talking about Hyaluronic Acid tablets.... It seems that the addition of Bio Collagen II makes the HA more effective. I was skeptical when I first read carekate's post, not cause I don't trust her, but just because I'm always a little skeptical. But seeing is believing!

As for the illustrious Dr. G....I'm not normally a betting kind of gal BUT since he's a Vegas doc I'll break profile and lay a wager that HE says that the only effective way to plum your lips is with collagen injections which HE just happens to be an expert at administering....

Smiling sweetly.

Well said, Katee -- thanks for saving me the trouble! Very Happy

free skin care · Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:18 am

You are probably right about Dr Garcia and apologies for getting confused... I was looking into buying Collagen Tablets when I emailed him then read this site and thought thats what you guys were talking about.. Anyway I too have purchased HA capsules and am hoping for the results many of you folk have got...

free skin care · Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:27 am

One other thing, Scottishjuls:

There are a couple of “scientific” EDS members who will tell you that there is absolutely no scientific proof supporting the use of hyaluronic acid/collagen oral supplements for lip plumping, but despite this, there are too many of us that have experienced the phenomena for it to just be written off as a fluke. For that reason, we ask that you try the tablets and judge for yourself....

Anyway, I hope it works for you, too, and that you quickly begin to see the results that you desire!

Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:01 am

Hi all,

I tried the HA tablets in a very low dose, derived from a form of salt, not an animal. My lips definitely felt fuller, as if I had just woken up and my face was all swollen.

As for my nose, it swelled up like I was laying down too long bu went away after a few hours.... for that reason I stopped using the tablets. bah! My lips aren't that thin anyway, so I guess i'll just stick with the citylips.

The HA tablets I used were also only 20mg, twice a day by Vitamin World!

Anywho, be back to experiment with more stuff Smile

free skin care · Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:48 pm

Nova,

I have used every lip plumper known to man- Lipfusion is the best that I have found. I use to use CityLips- waste of money. A seller at Sephora even told me that very few people see results with it. Pay like $10.00 and get Lipfusion.

Hope this helps!

free skin care · Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:23 pm

FYI, BioCell Collagen II is derived either from poultry cartilage or from bovine tracheal cartilage and/or a combination of both. Sodium hyaluronate is hyaluronic acid - there is only one compound, although it can be extracted from rooster comb, bovine joint fluid, or lab-created through biofermentation. I would imagine that it is the BT source, as it is less costly. But there is no hyaluronic acid derived from salt. HA is sodium hyaluronate.
I will refrain from commenting on it's effectiveness when taken orally, just for you Carrie! Wink

Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:03 pm

I'll definitely give lipfusion a go, although I have used CityLips before and surprisngly it worked the best for me - I do know that A LOT of people reported that it didn't do jack for them. lol.

But I will try the lipfusion to challenge the CityLips.

As for the derivitives of HA - I assumed that the "sodium" part of the derivitive meant a type of salt. At least that's how I identified salt in my chem classes. I'm not arguing that it IS salt tho, lol. I'm sure not everything with sodium in it means salt. I did a good lot of research though, before ingesting it since I'm a vegetarian and stuff... yaknow Smile

free skin care · Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:06 am

yes, sodium is a salt, but actually the entire structure of sodium hyaluronate would be classified as a polysaccharide, or starch. I just wanted you to be aware that it was not derived from salt (sodium chloride), that it actually is derived from animal sources, or lab-created by bacteria. I saw that you mentioned you were vegetarian, so I wanted to let you know. Wink

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