burnt my hairs
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Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:34 am

2 months back i had a hair perm...but unfortunately it was not what i was looking for..becz the curls was hardly visible..i went to the hair stylist & showed her she agreed & asked me to have it once more...i did...but the timing was not perfect or Gods knows it was my bad luck that i messed up..all my hairs seems like they r burnt...lucky me that i have only done with the front side persming..after 2 months they seems a bit better but u know...they r not as u should be they look like corn hairs Sad

how can i make them silky ..smmoth & shiny ...somebody plz help... Confused

free skin care · Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:56 am

(Hairdresser hat on now) Oh dear - hate to be the bearer of bad news but you're not going to 'fix this' with any product although some products will help disguise the damage.

A perm basically detaches the structures within the hair shaft then re attaches them in a new position. I'll try to explain! If you can imagine each hair as a ladder and the rungs are alternately red and blue. The perm lotion breaks each rung down the centre, as the hair is around a curler it pulls the rungs out of line so each rung is in a new position - then a neutralising agent is added and this fixes the new position - so each rung is now half red and half blue - forming the curl. Problems can arise from several issues - if the curl didn't stay its likely that the lotion wasn't left on long enough or that it wasn't neutralised sufficiently (did the perm drop afterwards? Was it ok initially?) The problem is that the chemicals in Perm lotion are similar to those used as in hair removal creams! So you can imagine the damage that can be inflicted.
In your case I suspect that there was insufficient neutralising. Consequently your hair 'rungs' were not re 'fixed' You then had the perm redone and this further split the 'rungs'. Basically you're hair has been chemically altered and damaged in the processing. Its worth noting that ANY chemical hair process results in some damage - it's just that normally it shouldn't be too excessive but with each succesive process it will increase.

A few things to ask though if you came to me -
1 -Did you have any other chemical on your hair when you had it permed either time - eg colour, leave in condidtioner,natural colour of any sort (henna, colour enhacing condidotner etc)
2 - Did your hair smell strongly of perming afterwards?
3 - Have you been/are on any medication or have you recently had any hormonal upsets (eg pregnancy)
4 - Have you been using silicone based hair care - this can coat the hair stopping the perming lotion penetrating properly resulting in a poor result.
5 - Are the ends like 'fish hooks'?
6 - Is your scalp affected - sore, flaky, red?

Once I had answers to those I would recommend a really good cut to get rid of frazzled ends
then a really good conditioning treatment.
I would also recommend silicone free products for damaged/chemically treated hair for home use.

Please please lay off any further chemical treatments of any sort until it's all grown out and keep up the regular trims.

Hope that helps a bit.

Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:57 am

i know i messed up...well when she washed my hairs at the first place curl didn't stay...then the second time..the curls dissapear after 2 three washes..leaving my hairs like that...well second time she gave the lotion a lil extra timming that is 3 hour for perming & 30 mins for neutralising...after ward i get allergy on myforhead with deep red scar...also that spread all over my face...yes i used hair colour to chnage the colour of my hairs...twice or once a month...well if u can imagine my position its like no curls...with hard harsh thick hairs...as if they r burnt...forget to mention after seeing my hairs in that position i did my straightening too from wella straightener after 15 days of that perm,,,which makes them a lil sit back on there position...plz advise Crying or Very sad

free skin care · Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:34 am

Anila,
EEk!
Are you telling me she left perming lotion on for 3 hours?!?!?! Shock

What sort of hair do you have?
I know you're not going to like this but please please stop colouring and straightening your hair for the time being (if you MUST colour it use a wash in wash out type but better if you don't).
Basically you're hair is VERY over processed. The hair can only be taken apart and fixed together by a perming/straightening process so many times before it basically becomes too damaged without putting colour into the equation too. The more you do the worse it will be - it also sounds like you had a chemical burn on your skin - hence the scarring. ideally I would suugest you go and see a trichologist (hair specialist) or at the very least a well respected hair dresser (NOT the one you went too) that someone you know who has good healthy hair recommends.
Foy now I would strongly enocurage you to stop ALL chemical treatments on your hair, switch too a sulfate free cshampoo an excellent daily condiditoner plus a weekly depp conditioner, get a good cut and just leave your hair as natural as possible for the time being.
If you continue to use chemicals it will start to break off!!! (When its wet does it have a chewing gum consistency?)
Unfortunately you cannot undo this type of damage you just have to treat it gently and wait for it to grow out.

Feel free to PM me if you need to.:O)

free skin care · Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:42 am

You definetly need to go to a good professional hair-dresser. There is a straigtening system called bio-ionic tratment that stars like Mena Suvari, Madonna & JLo (I've heard) are using to keep their frizz tame...on the other hand it will leave your hair straight (but that might be better?)...just ask about it in a salon...good luck Very Happy

free skin care · Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:00 am

Hey Lucia -

I didn’t know you were a professional hairdresser – way cool, now I know who to bother when I have questions about the latest coloring techniques and stuff! Very Happy

If I were Anila, I think I’d whack off all of the damaged hair and grow it back out to start all over, but then again, I prefer to wear my hair very short (i.e.: Halle Berry’s super-short crop/cap-cut) so it wouldn’t be as traumatic to me to suddenly have to sport super-short hair until it could grow back out again....

I’m not a professional hair stylist, but I *do* like to research all of the latest cutting, styling and coloring techniques (so great is my love for all things hair, I would LOVE to go back to school and get an actual license!) and I do consider myself to be better educated about haircare than the average person (in some cases, I’ve found that I’m better trained/educated as a hair layman then are some of the so-called professionals whose chairs I’ve had the misfortune to sit in!!

If I was going to offer additional advice to Anila, other than everything you’ve already prescribed about no more chemical processing and using gentle shampoos/conditioners and a good, protein-based deep conditioner, I would be inclined to advise Anila to also refrain from too much heat styling – especially using any type of heated curling iron or heated hair straighteners. Is this right, or have I been wrong in my belief all of these years and excessive heat styling doesn’t actually play any part in causing hair damage the way that too much chemical processing can do? It’s just that when I’m getting my hair done with my beloved stylist, Chau (we have a sort of “designer/muse” relationship and I trust her absolutely to try any of the new hair coloring techniques on me and she trusts me absolutely when I pick out unlikely color shade combinations that turn out to look absolutely breathtaking!), I see the girls sitting in the next chair, getting their hair straightened with the flat iron and I can actually HEAR their hair sizzling!! Surely that can’t be healthy to do day after day after day, even if you use some kind of thermal protectant to help shield the cuticle from too much damage.

Also, in addition to Anila avoiding sulfates and products that are heavily ladden with silicones, wouldn’t it also be wise to watch out for products containing certain types of alcohol? I’m thinking specifically of the insidiously evil “Farouk - Biosilk Silk Therapy,” which enthralled and enslaved me into damaging my hair almost beyond repair because I was fooled by the silicones and didn’t realize that the alcohol with which it was combined caused my hair to have the consistency of steel-wool until I let my hair air-dry a few times without any products in it at all and saw that when my hair finally dried that it looked almost straw-like!!

So, for what it’s worth, the only other advice I would have Anila, from this self-proclaimed “civilian” hair expert, would be to also avoid excessive heat styling and watch out for hair products containing high levels of alcohol (if “alcohol” is listed among the top-three ingredients, throw it immediately in the garbage!!)....

free skin care · Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:35 pm

Yes, Carrie, you are right. Too much heat styling is very bad also. However, when you hear their hair sizzling, I don't think it is as bad as it sounds. Mostly, its product burning off I believe. I have super long hair and flat iron everyday, and I am still okay. Smile

free skin care · Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:16 pm

Hi all!
Carekate - yep I''m a fully trained in hairdressing and Beauty Therapy! Very Happy

I've not worked in teitehr profession for a while although I had my own business at one stage. I now only do stuff for my family and friends (I began to suffer from skin allergies due to all the chemicals (I was also allergic to the gloves so that didn't help!).
I really miss it though so its nice if I can help a bit on here and also keep upto date!
I totally agree with leaving off the heat styling as well!! While most modern temperature controlled products are not able to inflict quite the potential damage that a chemical treatment could cause they DO damage the hair. Using silicone free products and good quality tools (especially ionic technolgy)can reduce the damage to a minimum. Sometimes its better to use a flat iron for example after letting the hair dry naturally or rough drying than frying it with over drying and a brush.
Unfortunately most things we do to our hair to make it look glam does some damage of some sort!!!
By the way i too am scared by some of the knowledge or lack of, I have found some Beauty consultants and hairdressers have! Seems they get told something then never move on or are prepared to learn something new - good example is my disastrous visit to Tony and Guy - they refused to use a flat iron as they 'don't believe in them'but were wuite happy to blow dry my hair to flat dry frizz!!??!! Did NOT go again!! Laughing

free skin care · Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:21 am

Lucia wrote:

By the way i too am scared by some of the knowledge or lack of, I have found some Beauty consultants and hairdressers have! Seems they get told something then never move on or are prepared to learn something new - good example is my disastrous visit to Tony and Guy - they refused to use a flat iron as they 'don't believe in them'but were wuite happy to blow dry my hair to flat dry frizz!!??!! Did NOT go again!! Laughing

Yeah, I totally agree one that one. Fortunately I’ve not had to endure the agony of finding a competent/qualified stylist in a number of years, since I found Chau, but before that my number one rule was, “Don’t patronize me!”

When I ask you (generic stylist) to perform a service and you don’t know how to do it, then be honest with me and say so, don’t purse your lips or “tut-tut-tut” me and say that I really don’t want you to do what I just asked you to do because I couldn’t possibly understand how the process is performed. A specific example was when I once went in and asked for chunky highlights painted on using the bayalage (sp?) technique. “There’s no such thing!” she told me, and then proceeded to mix up a bowl of one-color-fits-all “frosting” dye and dig out what I not-so-affectionately refer to as “the swimming cap with holes in it” and the little hook-thingy that you use to pull select hair strands through the perforations in the cap in order to cover them with the colorant. Lady, if that’s the look I wanted to achieve, I could do it myself at home for less than $10 so why the hell would I be willing to pay you a ten times that much to do it in a salon?? Needless to say, I bolted from her chair before she could get to my hair and ruin it! That’s actually how I happened to find my Chau...she had overheard my conversation with the other stylist and when I got up to walk out of the salon, the manager intervened and brought me over and introduced me to their master colorist & stylist – and that, as they say, was the start of a great relationship!

My other major pet peeve regarding hair is stylists who are afraid to use the razor and/or texturizers. I have unbelievably thick hair. I mean, even though my hair is extremely short, it still takes forever to dry simply because I have so much of it. When I go in for my trim every 3-4 weeks, there’s enough of my hair on the floor to make it look like four people got their haircut before it was swept up! Because it’s so thick, if the stylist doesn’t use both a razor AND texturizer on it, then my hair just lays flat with absolutely no movement. Which would be great if I wore my hair longer and/or had a blunt cut, but my hair style is supposed to be piecey and a lot of movement and texture. I’ve often yearned to buy a pair of those texturizing scissors to use at home for touchup because a week after my hair is cut it’s grown out already. But I know if I had a set of texturizers at my immediate beck & call, I’d go crazy in the bathroom each morning snipping out the bulk until my hair fell just so that I’d probably end up with no hair at all!! Anyway, before Chau, I used to have to “interview” any new stylist I tried to see if they had any experience and/or phobias regarding the razor and the texturizers before I’d agree to let them cut my hair....

free skin care · Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:45 am

Carekate - I too take issue with that superior attitude - which is why its great being qualified myself as I can then blind them with science ask awkward questions and look staggered when they don't understand me!

Hmm asking for Biolage and getting frosty cap head - NOT good! Those blinkin caps should be banned in my opinion - nasty things!LOL!

One of the worse things about being qualified is that you know what they're doing wrong! (Ignorance is bliss??). So I can get very stressed even having a supposedly relaxing treatment!! I have the opposite problem to you - my hair is very silky and fine and looks appalling layered! It just hangs in lank strands - I know cos I've tried it before yet I had a hells own job convincing know it all Tony & Guy stylist! Bottom line is its my hair anyhow and if I don't want layers I dont' want layers - end of!!! I have now found a fab stylist locally called Dean (Reflections in Stroud) he treats me like I have a brain and is happy to suggest ideas but respects what I want - consequently I trust him when he suggests something. A good trustworthy stylist is worth their weight in gold!

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