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Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:08 am  |
| Winnie wrote: |
bethany, I was concerned when I read your post regarding the swelling. It is a relief to know all is settled down. I think you will love LED treatments. For some it is best to take it easy in the beginning. I, for one, used my device too aggressively at first (eger beaver).  Keep us updated.  |
Winnie, I think there are quite a few of us out there vying for the eager beaver award, lol. That may have indeed been my problem.
Even though it has been 9 months since my 4+ hour nose surgery, I still have a ton of swelling. And I think the LED was stronger than I thought. To be on the safe side, I don't think I will be doing the 2nd pass on my nose again any time soon!  |
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Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:41 am |
Winnie,
What happened when you were too aggressive with your machine??? |
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Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:32 pm |
| yogi wrote: |
Winnie,
What happened when you were too aggressive with your machine??? |
yogi, my first led was the BQ. At first I was using it every night thinking I discovered the fountain of youth.  The only thing I noticed, way back then, was my mature skin seemed to get dry. I have been doing LED for 15 months. Once a week I treat my face, neck and declotee.
I think bethany's reaction was unusual. Glad you are OK bethany and can continue the anti-aging bandwagon with the rest of us.  |
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Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:52 pm |
Well, I am sitting here in my hotel room near the Laguardia airport (outside of NYC), missing my cats, and my a/c in FL. (apparently they have the heat on here, even though it was 80 degrees today??) And I am having a hot flash, lol.
But I noticed this morning when I was getting ready to leave, and again tonight that the puffiness under my eyes is greatly reduced. I mean VERY greatly. I did recently start using the Skin Biology DMAE serum 2 weeks ago, but I really noticed it more immediately after my 2nd LED treatment, and the following morning.
I really wanted to bring my LED with me and use it tonight (I am doing every other day or 3x week), but I couldn't take the risk of being swollen when I meet with my client tomorrow, sigh. But I am looking forward to doing it TH or Fri night!!!
Just thought I would share. |
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:46 am |
I just did my 3rd ProLight treatment...a rather extensive one since I haven't been able to use it for a week, and won't be able to use it for the next week due to work travel (drat).
I spent about 1.5 hours on my face, neck, chest, and hands at 60 secs a spot, but I overlap closely, and did a 2nd pass on the hyperpigmentation on the sides of my face.
Hopefully I won't turn into a puff head again...I'l know tomorrow morning!
BTW, I was reading in the Quasar SP manual that Aloe Vera should be used with LED treatments because it can help with better results, and also minimizes any skin tugging when sliding the light (I don't slide...I lift and place mine).
Hs anyone tried this? |
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:13 pm |
I had problems "slide" with all of my LED machines. I always "lift & put" to change positions.
I used Aloe Vera Gel but it dried out before I slide. And I don't know why but my eyes hurt if I put the gel on my cheek bones. Allergic??? Now I don't put anything before I do LED treatment. |
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:45 pm |
Bethany - YOu don't travel with your Platinum?  I have a dpl - love it but it's too big to pack ..... I want to get something I can travel with - thought this is one I would research for that - back to the anti-aging stim. |
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:09 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| Bethany - YOu don't travel with your Platinum? I have a dpl - love it but it's too big to pack ..... I want to get something I can travel with - thought this is one I would research for that - back to the anti-aging stim. |
I definitely WANT to travel with mine, and this is the perfect size to do so (it is very compact, yet very easy to use). I may actually take mine this trip, since I am not traveling with anything else that could cause me to get pulled out for a bag search.
I refuse to check luggage, so everything goes through the security line with me...if I happen to have lots of pc accessories, or even my Conair Curls pan-shaped blowdryer with diffuser, I always get my bag searched.
But this is a light trip and I'll have time to use to use it, so I think I WILL take it! |
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:10 pm |
| MACrisis wrote: |
I had problems "slide" with all of my LED machines. I always "lift & put" to change positions.
I used Aloe Vera Gel but it dried out before I slide. And I don't know why but my eyes hurt if I put the gel on my cheek bones. Allergic??? Now I don't put anything before I do LED treatment. |
Thanks for the feedback...that is enough to make me stick with the recommended "clean and dry" skin! |
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:40 pm |
This is a re-post from a LED Light Therapy.... thread that was deleted. Some of the members asked me about the post, but at that time I did not have it. Just by chance I saved a draft which I found recently, and re-posting it here. I tried to summarize on what to look for in a LED device:
What to Look for in LED Devices
Power Output
This is one of the most important factors.
Ask for output per square centimeter per second ( number of joules per cm2 per second).
Many companies give power output per entire device instead of unit of measure. Also they give power output per recommended treatment duration, not per unit of time. To compare apples to apples we need to speak in the same terms.
Note: The device should aim to deliver 4 - 9 joules per cm2 per treatment time. (Treatment time might vary, e.g. 30 seconds, 60 sec, 3 miute, etc. )
Power Output Range
Watch for red flags such as not realistic LED power output. Some companies provide unrealistic numbers that are more suitable for lasers, not LEDs.
730nm Range
Most LEDs devices operate in 600nm and 800nm. NASA studies included 730nm rage. Look for devices that include 730nm LEDs.
Specifications Availability
Look for the manufacturers that readily post the devices technical specifications on their web sites. Those that do not do it might have reasons not to share the specs.
Number of LEDs
Number of LEDs is not as important as the power output, since the LEDs themselves vary from one another. Do not pay that much attention to the number of LEDs.
Treatment Time
Longer treatment time per area indicates a less powerful device. Look for a short treatment time duration per treatment area.
Distance from the Skin
The closer device to the skin, the better.
Country of Origin
USA made devices preferred to China made devices.
Visual Luminosity
A simple way to determine if the device performance is really way off is to look at it. The LEDs when turned on should be luminous, if you can look at the LEDs without much disturbance to the eyes, chances are the device is not a top performer.
Red/Infrared
Red/Infrared LEDs have deeper tissue penetration, and good for collagen/elastin production, and tissue healing. Do not expect red/infrared devices to do much to skin pigmentation.
Amber
Amber LEDs have shallow skin penetration, and good for skin pigmentation treatments, such as sun damage. Do not expect amber devices to do much for collagen/elastin production, and tissue healing.
Mixed Red/Infrared/Amber Devices
Professional oriented devices usually are limited to one type of the LEDs, either red/infrared or amber. Consumer oriented devices tend to have mixed lights. The type of a device is really a preference. Those who are need more performance from a device might be better off with separate LEDs, while those looking for more convinience, and not wanting to joggle between two different types of the devices might be satisfied with mixed LEDs devices.
Skin Preparation
Although some advise on applying lotions prior to LED treatments, professionals normally do not do it. Usually in spas treatments are done on clean skin to get the most benefits from the LEDs. Apply LEDs to clean skin.
FDA Approval
FDA approval does not guarantee LED devices effectiveness. Do not sweat over FDA approval.
If anyone wants to add anything to the summary, please feel free to do so. |
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Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:26 pm |
mpstat( or everyone who has been researching this),
Thank you so much for posted this information. I do have a question,since you have spent the time doing so much research which machine would you recommend for collagen production(tightening the skin). Pigmentation isn't an issue.
Thanks,
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:35 am |
Hi Toby 
On EDS there are supporters of multiple types of devices. From a stand point of using LED devices it seems that EDS member MACrisis is a LED Queen with owning a number of the devices even custom-made.
I have been using some LEDs, and looked at the devices from a technical info angle. Different LED devices have different characteristics, and thus address different user needs. For my needs I selected ProLight red/infrared and amber as separate units with 30 seconds treatment time per area. ProLight Platinum is a similar device, but have mixed lights, which means fewer lights of one type per area (but the benefit of not switching between two devices for those interested in both types of lights) and thus the difference in treatment time which is 60 seconds per area. Would I not get separate units, I would buy ProLight Patinum for myself. Again, there are other choices out there.
Red/Infrared LEDs have deeper tissue penetration, and good for collagen/elastin production, and tissue healing. It sounds that you are after red/infrared LEDs, there are specifically two manufacturers that mentioned on this forum that produce professional LED equipment Quasar and ProLight.
Now although red/infrared LEDs would help in collagen/elastin production, I do not know how effective they are in skin tightening. To set realistic expectations you might want to talk to a manufacturer, and share with us too!!  |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:01 am |
Thank you.
Toby |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:24 am |
This is very interesting. Thanks for the list Mpstat. Eventually I'll get a hand held unit.
Bethany - I was flying a month ago and my carry on had so many things in it - they searched and searched. (NuFace, Hair staightener, Camara, Blow dryer and asst others - Can only imagine what they were thinking). |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:57 am |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Bethany - I was flying a month ago and my carry on had so many things in it - they searched and searched. (NuFace, Hair staightener, Camara, Blow dryer and asst others - Can only imagine what they were thinking). |
My Emjoi has caused quite a ruckus in the past. And after they pulled it out, the woman wanted to know how it worked and where she could get one, lol. |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:08 am |
| bethany wrote: |
I just did my 3rd ProLight treatment...a rather extensive one since I haven't been able to use it for a week, and won't be able to use it for the next week due to work travel (drat).
I spent about 1.5 hours on my face, neck, chest, and hands at 60 secs a spot, but I overlap closely, and did a 2nd pass on the hyperpigmentation on the sides of my face.
Hopefully I won't turn into a puff head again...I'll know tomorrow morning! |
Well, I was just slightly swollen this morning. I have basically concluded that this unit is STRONG, and I can't overdo it. But my skin did look and feel quite nice this morning!
I just need to stick to the recommended routine...no more eager beaver!! |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:20 pm |
Now don't laugh, but I decided to try out the ProLight on my breasts. 
Heck, this is supposed to help with firming, right? So why NOT try firming up the girls a little?
I started off with one circle of treatments starting at the outer edge of the areola, overlapping all the way around - each breast took about 10 minutes. However, I could have easily doubled this because I really needed to do the first circle, and then at least one (if not 2) more circle(s) to cover the whole breast. (yes, I have big boobs, sigh)
But I thought I would start small, and see if I have any side effects before going all the way. I will keep everyone posted, but I will NOT be sharing any before and after photos of this region! |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:54 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Bethany - I was flying a month ago and my carry on had so many things in it - they searched and searched. (NuFace, Hair staightener, Camara, Blow dryer and asst others - Can only imagine what they were thinking). |
My Emjoi has caused quite a ruckus in the past. And after they pulled it out, the woman wanted to know how it worked and where she could get one, lol. |
Oh My - what is an EmJoi? |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:07 pm |
Bethany:
Do a left and right comparison test on the girls.  |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:57 pm |
I copied this from another thread but inquiring minds what to know:
To MACrisis (Queen of LED - so I've been told) and All:
Hope to get clarification - I'm 50 and need repeat feedback Kindly bear with me.
So, are we saying that the AAlight Stim and the Prolight are similar in what they offer (red/infrared and amber) and similar or same in results? Except - if I am reading correctly - the Prolight requires less time for the same results? (BTW: I definitely want amber and not amberish.)
I like the discount available with AALightstim and of course - a track record here on EDS. Does the Prolight have a good return policy? And are there ever discounts to anyone's knowledge?
And can someone give me th simple answer to why we might need both pulse and continuous mode as seen on the BQ? The continuous I read here is more powerful? Isn't this a good thing?
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:24 pm |
| Rita from Prolight told me that pulsing was not used in the NASA studies and is just a marketing technique that adds nothing to the quality of the device. I think that the Lightstim has a really good return policy and Prolight offers a 30 day return policy. I had lenghthy discussions with Rita from Prolight while I was researching which unit to buy and she agreed to extend the return policy to 60 days for me. She is the owner of the company... so you aren't dealing with a middleman here. She is extremely helpful and will work with you. |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:17 pm |
Sister Sweets - AALightStim specifications state that AALightStim has red/infrared - amber lights, with wavelengths 600nm and 1000 nm. Power output is questionable.
ProLight Platinum has red-infrared: 630nm -660nm and 730 - 880nm, plus amber 590nm-595nm.
Just based on the wavelength 590nm-595nm wavelength (amber) is missing from AALightStim, and rather broad range (600 nm -1000 nm) specified, which looks ambiguous. It is not clear to me if AALightStim has 730 nm waverange. From what I have seen, this particular range is missing from pretty much all the devices with an exception of ProLight.
All this said, there is not enough information to adequately compare the two devices. I feel that ProLight Platinum is closer to professional.
There are a number of members that had good experience with AALightStim, there are choices to make...
Maybe other members can provide more input. |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:49 pm |
If, and only if AAL use 600nm then, it's Amber enough. I don't think we can tell the difference between 595nm and 600nm. Most LEDs have a +-10nm tolerance. So, if it said it's 600nm then most of them are 600nm but some will be 590nm~610nm.
I got some RED 623nm LEDs from a distributor who sells high end LEDs. When I told him I want 623nm he said there's always a +- 10 tolerance on LEDs. It happened when manufacture the LEDs. If you want all LED has a precise wavelenth then it's going to be very expensive because they have to test the LED one by one and throw away all +-10nm LEDs. |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:44 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| bethany wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Bethany - I was flying a month ago and my carry on had so many things in it - they searched and searched. (NuFace, Hair staightener, Camara, Blow dryer and asst others - Can only imagine what they were thinking). |
My Emjoi has caused quite a ruckus in the past. And after they pulled it out, the woman wanted to know how it worked and where she could get one, lol. |
Oh My - what is an EmJoi? |
Sis, it is a combination hair removal/medieval torture device!
Here is a post I did on it:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=364949&highlight=emjoi#364949 |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:46 pm |
| MACrisis wrote: |
Bethany:
Do a left and right comparison test on the girls. |
I actually considered it, and then decided against it! I decided symmetry was more important to me, and I would rather they look the same...no matter what what "same" may be! |
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