Cheating concepts of some skincare lines
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free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 7:47 pm

scalawaggirl wrote:

As an aside, avalange. might have gone through some hormonal change (with aging; you are no longer 31, right?)

by the way, thanks pointing out that I turned 32 this year. Figure I'd post a pic from my birthday, since I got many pms appalled at how catty this comment was:

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 7:54 pm

Avalange, you are absolutely gorgeous - I wish I had your skin "problems"! Very Happy

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 7:56 pm

avalange wrote:

Figure I'd post a pic from my birthday

Hello, EDS?? I'd like to order some of everything that Avalange is using...um, make that TWO of everything...

Wow...You look under 20 in that photo!!! Shock

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 8:13 pm

Keliu wrote:

Avalange, you are absolutely gorgeous - I wish I had your skin "problems"! Very Happy

Totally! Both the women in the photo actually look lik they have perfect skin.

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 8:37 pm

Avalange, Thanks for your pics, you provide a goad for us to achieve.

For the patent of Retinal+oxygen disscussed above, I checked out the reaction, and it turned out that oxidation of alcohol and aldehyde needs catalytic agent。 For an organic chemistry reaction, you can go to this link,

http://www.chemguide.co.uk/organicprops/alcohols/oxidation.html

I won't say that HP can't oxidize retinal alcohol, but Oxygen definitly won't do that, and anyone can google.

And if someone did google "acohol oxidation with hydrogen peroxide", he/she will find this reaction needs either nano material which certainly KH can not afford, or heavy metals which we cannot afford.

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 8:38 pm

januarui wrote:

Avalange, Thanks for your pics, you provide a goad for us to achieve.

For the patent of Retinal+oxygen disscussed above, I checked out the reaction, and it turned out that oxidation of alcohol and aldehyde needs catalytic agent。 For an organic chemistry reaction, you can go to this link,

http://www.chemguide.co.uk/organicprops/alcohols/oxidation.html

I won't say that HP can't oxidize retinal alcohol, but Oxygen definitly won't do that, and anyone can google.

And if someone did google "acohol oxidation with hydrogen peroxide", he/she will find this reaction needs either nano material which certainly KH can not afford, or heavy metals which we cannot afford.

I have to correct myself that oxygen can oxidize acohol IF there is a catalyst.

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:28 pm

avalange wrote:

scalawaggirl wrote:

As an aside, avalange. might have gone through some hormonal change (with aging; you are no longer 31, right?)

by the way, thanks pointing out that I turned 32 this year. Figure I'd post a pic from my birthday, since I got many pms appalled at how catty this comment was:

Does your friend ever get told that she resembles Sofia Coppola? You both are beautiful in the picture, by the way!

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:35 pm

Apparently people on MUA are having good results just using diluted HP on their skin...

free skin care · Tue May 13, 2008 9:37 pm

rcascone wrote:

Does your friend ever get told that she resembles Sofia Coppola? You both are beautiful in the picture, by the way!

I think it's Avalange that resembles Sofia Coppola, and her friend has red hair. I could be wrong though!

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 12:53 am

Avalange must have gone to bed and can't point herself out. She is on the left.

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 2:17 am

Kassy came up with a good suggestion, I think.

This could be (and is in some parts) a very interesting discussion, and it's good to read and be able to contrast differing views.

Please can we keep the personal comments out of it, though? It spoils everything.

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 2:23 am

edenfield wrote:

Apparently people on MUA are having good results just using diluted HP on their skin...

Really? Can you please provide a link?

TIA. Smile

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 5:51 am

I don't think we should leave specific skin care lines out of our discussions. That's why these forums exist - in order to discuss, hypothesize, theorize or whatever else about certain skin care lines from which we want to gather more information. That's why I specifically mentioned Karin Herzog way back in the beginning of this thread. Not to step on people's toes, but to pick peoples brains so that I can learn from many different points of views before I make an informed decision as to whether or not to purchase from this skin care line. And that, I think, is a large part of why skin care forums exist. Am I wrong??

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 6:25 am

Septembergirl wrote:

edenfield wrote:

Apparently people on MUA are having good results just using diluted HP on their skin...

Really? Can you please provide a link?

TIA. Smile

http://www.makeupalley.com/product/showreview.asp/ItemId=65806/Hydrogen_Peroxide/Unlisted_Brand/Toners

There seems to be a bit of a debate going on there too...and I personally don't think the delivery method is at all the same.

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 11:53 am

About HP, (I'm not commenting on the skin care line, but HP in general)

Something to consider is that our skin is actually very resistant and it'll put up with a lot of abuse sometimes. Just because someone's using HP doesn't mean her face is going to melt off... It's very possible that no negative results will happen.

I used diluted HP for an extended period of time regularly on my skin. I didn't do it to make my skin better (I never though it was good for my skin), I was doing it to bleach the hair on my face. Nothing bad happened... It was just like a harsh toner, but it was HP instead of alcohol. I don't think I did anything else to my skin and I used the oil of olay moisturizer. Pretty basic simple moisturizer. I have since stopped using HP (and I've moved on to nicer products) and I believe my skin has improved. Maybe it even acted as a harsh toner and kept my skin clear, who knows?

vonstella wrote:

Septembergirl wrote:

edenfield wrote:

Apparently people on MUA are having good results just using diluted HP on their skin...

Really? Can you please provide a link?

TIA. Smile

http://www.makeupalley.com/product/showreview.asp/ItemId=65806/Hydrogen_Peroxide/Unlisted_Brand/Toners

There seems to be a bit of a debate going on there too...and I personally don't think the delivery method is at all the same.

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 11:58 am

leeleedeedee wrote:

I don't think we should leave specific skin care lines out of our discussions. That's why these forums exist - in order to discuss, hypothesize, theorize or whatever else about certain skin care lines from which we want to gather more information. That's why I specifically mentioned Karin Herzog way back in the beginning of this thread. Not to step on people's toes, but to pick peoples brains so that I can learn from many different points of views before I make an informed decision as to whether or not to purchase from this skin care line. And that, I think, is a large part of why skin care forums exist. Am I wrong??

I agree, I think discussion should be free and open. I think it would be great to even have a thread where you post a product and the ingredients list (concentrations if that info is available) and everyone can just go at it, analyzing the ingredients.

(it just shouldn't be personal)

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 11:59 am

existential lady wrote:

Avalange must have gone to bed and can't point herself out. She is on the left.

Thanks! My mistake! (It doesn't change the compliments, since they look like they both have perfect skin Smile

)

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 9:34 pm

leeleedeedee wrote:

I don't think we should leave specific skin care lines out of our discussions. That's why these forums exist - in order to discuss, hypothesize, theorize or whatever else about certain skin care lines from which we want to gather more information. That's why I specifically mentioned Karin Herzog way back in the beginning of this thread. Not to step on people's toes, but to pick peoples brains so that I can learn from many different points of views before I make an informed decision as to whether or not to purchase from this skin care line. And that, I think, is a large part of why skin care forums exist. Am I wrong??

No, you most certainly aren't wrong, what I suggessted (that has since been deleted), was just to keep the peace if at all possible.

Here is a link for questions to be asked about anything concerning skincare ingredients, answered by several scientists. A search by me for "Oxygen Cream", brought up none other than a question that was asked about the Karin Herzog line.. (I DID NOT post the question). I'm offering it here now, because since we've already heard the 'pros', I feel it's time we have an independant offering of the 'cons' of hydrogen peroxide. (Which is the whole point of this thread!!)

http://thebeautybrains.com/?s=Oxygen+Cream

I would also like to suggest that we broaden our horizons here, and perhaps move on to another questionable ingredient. For instance;

DMAE
Argireline
Copper Peptides

Or anything your little

desires.

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 9:44 pm

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free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 9:56 pm

Kassy_A wrote:

I would also like to suggest that we broaden our horizons here, and perhaps move on to another questionable ingredient. For instance;

DMAE
Argireline
Copper Peptides

Or anything your little

desires.

I would personally LOVE to talk about DMAE...I have a bottle and don't even know if I dare to use it. (it is about 3% concentration)

free skin care · Thu May 15, 2008 4:32 am

A brief summary:

The possible dangerous effects of DMAE were revealed in a study from Université Larol's Faculty of Medicine. The researchers found that DMAE causes a pathological reaction in skin cells. From their point of view, the cells are altered and stop dividing.

The study was published in British Journal of Dermatology in April last year and was frequently discussed in media and on skin care forums. I believe quite a few EDS-members stopped using DMAE.

The cell biologist Dr Marceau, who was in charge of the study, said he won't recommend DMAE products not to be used. He claims more research is needed on how they work.

People who have stopped their use of DMAE and continued their use of botox should think twice.

I'd like to draw attention to this quote from Dr Marceau in an interview with Reuters Health when the study was published:

This face lift in a jar is certainly safer than a real face lift or botox injection

Here's the article:

http://www.healthcentral.com/skin-cancer/news-37075-66.html

free skin care · Thu May 15, 2008 6:17 am

Kassy_A.....thank you very much for the link you provided to the Beauty Brains and the "oxygen question." It was very informative and consists of information that I want to know.

I agree that other things should be discussed as well. I feel the particpants of this forum are hungry for all kinds of information. And I do appreciate it when forum users such as yourself can guide us toward pertinent info and/or offer informed answers to our many questions.

free skin care · Thu May 15, 2008 8:43 am

Septembergirl wrote:

The cell biologist Dr Marceau, who was in charge of the study, said he won't recommend DMAE products not to be used. He claims more research is needed on how they work.

I'd like to draw attention to this quote from Dr Marceau in an interview with Reuters Health when the study was published:

This face lift in a jar is certainly safer than a real face lift or botox injection

Here's the article:

http://www.healthcentral.com/skin-cancer/news-37075-66.html

Thanks for that...it does indeed sound like more research is necessary.

free skin care · Thu May 15, 2008 9:33 am

[quote="bethany
I would personally LOVE to talk about DMAE...I have a bottle and don't even know if I dare to use it. (it is about 3% concentration)[/quote]

Here's a pretty good thread on DMAE for starters, with some study info;

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=28429

Are we allowed to copy some of it here???

free skin care · Fri May 16, 2008 6:06 am

thanks for the wonderful review, it is very helpful and has made me think twice about my purchase.

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