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Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:49 pm  |
scalawaggirl sorry for this brief hijack of your thread!
lin it is so good to hear that you are solving your skin care issues!!
I actually have samples of the PS 10% Lactic acid and 15% fruit acid gels. So I can certainly give them a try. Since these are stronger than what you use I may only leave them on for 1 or 2 mins. My skin seems to tolerate peels very well but I really want to be cautious. How often do you do your peels? And when you say moisturizer only does that mean your Skin Medica and DNA Repair or do you use something else? Are you unhappy with the Eve Lom? You seem to be pretty impressed with it from what I read in other posts. In fact your posts have me wanting to try the Eve Lom. I don't do so well with minimizing the number of prodcuts that I use but agree it is fun.....
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Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:08 pm |
| scalawaggirl wrote: |
Thanks, Mithai. I completely understand what you mean about layering! Fortunately, it doesn't take me that long and for the issues I have (blackheads, large pores, etc.), I find that I have to use:
-BHA 5% (to clear and keep pores clear)
-Exfol/LacSal (to daily exfoliate)
-Mandelic acid (to shrink and smooth)
-Acid peel (Every 2 weeks to get rid of outer layer of old skin - mine is very stubborn)
-CPs (Copper Peptides) - to rebuild the skin and form new collagen
-Emu oil/HA - healing properties and also keeps my breakouts almost non-existent now
-Vitamin C (ISC Super Serum right now for the antioxidant benefits)
-Oxygen spray to balance my skin
The rest are really to address other "non-critical" issues such as thinning lashes and brows (although this is somewhat critical, I must say), eye moisturization, general anti-aging, etc. I imagine that at some point, things could become more simplified but who knows? I might be so happy with my results by then that I continue on the path!
As to your question, I think it is very important to use a decent acid on a daily basis to help exfoliate old skin regularly. For me, this is BHA due to issues described above. 5% is quite strong and many can't tolerate it ESPECIALLY along w/Mandelic, which I also use daily.
The other thing that I think is important is using CPs because of the great way they rebuild skin by stimulating collagen. However, I wouldn't recommend just venturing off for a purchase. It's important to understand the process as it is somewhat of a balancing act in order to avoid what everyonce calls the "uglies" - this refers to a reaction to the imbalance of old skin not exfoliating fast enough for the newly formed skin to show without doing so in an odd way such as crepey or folded skin. I have so far avoided this but I have taken the CPs very slowly and know what to look for.
I wish I had an easy answer for you but erasing years of skin damage at home is a novel and welcome idea for me and I figure the time I spend as well as the money is very much worth real results. I imagine that I'd have spent upwards of $5k to get the effects of what I've done at home, if I would had sought professional help. I'm not even certain that I would have had the results I've obtained, either. I've probably spent $1k (including big ticket items like the Baby Quasar and so on).
In the past, I've visited derms and estheticians and have been very disappointed. They, like all doctors, seem to just recite what they know at any given point or what the pharma rep has dropped off with the last visit. MD Forté and Obagi were two auto-recs that I got and though I did try the MD Forté (big disaster, solved nothing and was before I was educated about skin care). I thankfully did not try Obagi since being a member of this board gives me the freedom to research until my eye balls pop. I think Obagi has helped many but we are all different and I think it would have been very bad for me.
I know this wasn't a quick answer but hope it helped clarified things a bit, anyway. |
Thanks for the detailed reply, Those uglies are what scare me away from CPs but I am certainly coming closer to them now  ....BTW are mandelic acid not a form of AHA...if so, why do you use both that and LacSal? |
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Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:56 pm |
| mithai wrote: |
| Thanks for the detailed reply, Those uglies are what scare me away from CPs but I am certainly coming closer to them now ....BTW are mandelic acid not a form of AHA...if so, why do you use both that and LacSal? |
Hey, mandelic has both AHA and BHA but serves a greater purpose to give a smoother complexion (it does exfoliate, as well). I use BHA 2 or 5% (in the AM to clear congestion) then the mandelic. In regard to the LacSal, I apply that in the PM to my neck and decollétage; Exfol in the AM (also under my eyes and around lips). This is because different areas tolerate different exfoliants. I could simplify a bit but I got the LacSal as a test product and it's more potent than Exfol, which I like. I have to say, my girl parts near the decollétage are looking quite smashing of late - had some light stretch marks that are fading even more and looking nice and smooth. |
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Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:12 pm |
Oh okay...now I get it.a bit slow hah?.. i actually tried mandalic 10%(i have nucelle) for 4-5 days but that seemed a bit too gentle. I will try layering it with BHA. i have a little of PC 2% left....And I will see how it goes.
Thanks for taking the time to reply! |
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Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:01 pm |
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scalawaggirl sorry for this brief hijack of your thread!
lin it is so good to hear that you are solving your skin care issues!!
I actually have samples of the PS 10% Lactic acid and 15% fruit acid gels. So I can certainly give them a try. Since these are stronger than what you use I may only leave them on for 1 or 2 mins. My skin seems to tolerate peels very well but I really want to be cautious. How often do you do your peels? And when you say moisturizer only does that mean your Skin Medica and DNA Repair or do you use something else? Are you unhappy with the Eve Lom? You seem to be pretty impressed with it from what I read in other posts. In fact your posts have me wanting to try the Eve Lom. I don't do so well with minimizing the number of prodcuts that I use but agree it is fun.....
Theresa |
Theresa, the 7,5% is quite a tingling already (cannot await to wash it off !) so be careful with the higher percentage. I peel 1-2 times a week, always keeping few days between two, which looks like
day 1 peel (in the evening)
day 2 moisturize
day 3 mild microdermabrazions
day 4 moisturize
day 5 moisturize
day 6 peel again
When i say "moisturize", it's nothing else than Skinmedica and DNA-rep., i notice that during the monthly cyklus my skin is some days more and some days less hydrated, so when i need more then i take Emu.
I loved EveLom - nothing compares to it for me, but contains petrochemicals and various parabens, which i rather would like to avoid. Ppl complain about PSF's green tea cleanser (clogging pores), but actually i liked it. Would you like to have the complete ingr. list of EveLom ? - just let me know.
Happy experimenting & take care,
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Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:30 pm |
Children, an update! Just put together a side-by-side w/2 pics. First dated 8/25/06 (color's a bit darker than normal) and second dated today 10/2/06.
The differences to note initially are that I have much longer, thicker lashes (not curled in first pic) from my JM/Castor oil/Tarte experiment and also thicker brows from Folligen (I did touch these up as I just tinted them and they are always a little dyed beneath so it looked funny w/out a bit of powder). I did just also retint my lashes but put Sweet Almond Oil on first as a protein treatment per Carekate's recommendation.
The main things I notice otherwise are better skin tone and texture, more clarification, erasing of some moles, neck improvement, eyes wide awake looking (PSF Cranberry Phyto-Lift really works!) and definitely more overall firmness!
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Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:44 pm |
Wow! You look great. I especially loveeee your lashes, they are amazing. Wish i can afford that product, im so jealous  |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:17 am |
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| Wow! You look great. I especially loveeee your lashes, they are amazing. Wish i can afford that product, im so jealous |
Not to be an enabler but I've justified it because according to Carekate's calculations - she got almost 8 (maybe 7) months out of a tube so it was around $20 a month averaged out. The other thing to note is that when you get the results you want (Carekate mentioned 6 months), you can use it every 2-3 days to maintain and that makes the tube even MORE affordable.
It truly is a smashing product but if you really can't afford it, try cold-pressed castor oil applied to your lashes w/a clean mascara brush each night before bed. I do this, too, for the extra oomph and conditioning because I also tint my lashes so want them to stay in great shape. There are a few threads out there right now that are active on just this subject! |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:14 am |
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Thanks Scalawaggirl! Yikes - definitely a lot of info to take in  ! I think I might just get some CP serum to start with and add it in slowly to my existing routine till I see what effect it has. I don't usually tend to be sensitive so hopefully won't have to contend with too much of the "uglies" I keep reading about. |
I think the key to managing the uglies is to do as you plan - take it slowly. Decide on a good time to add the CPs in (if you can get your routine together, we can find the best place to put them) and if you keep an eye out for the uglies, you will know exactly when you might be overdoing it and back off right then. They are simply a sign that things are out of sync but are not permanent...sort of like a yield sign.  Also, be sure to add some sort of exfoliant (BHA, AHA, Lactid Acid) - whichever agrees w/your skin - a lot of people use Exfol (serum, if you're breakout-prone) as I do, but on my neck (alternate w/another) and under my eyes. It's worked extremely well in this area.
Good luck! |
AAAh I think I got the "uglies", I thought I was maybe allergic to CP.
I have the normal cp and at first put it straight on to my skin, which I now realise I shouldn't have done. I'm now diluting it, but I'm not sure if I'm doing it properly. I put a blob or two of CP onto my hand then let another couple of drops of water drip from the tap into my hand (very technical!), rub together and pat onto my face. My skin is in a congested scabby mess at mo. I wasn't sure if it was the CP, emu oil or coming off the pill causing the problem, I do now think it's probably the pill.
When I used the CP i did get a congested rough look on my forehead, only on my forehead though.
At mo I am using
AM:
JM Bioglycolic cleanser
moisturiser
PM
bioglycolic cleanser
JMbioclear cream
CP- if I'm using it
also use Cellex C fadeaway something or other, on pigment marks.
Oh my god, my list looks rubbish compared to yours, I actually thought I used a lot of products
Any advice would be great, I think my skin is similar to yours.-
Also Scalawaggirl your posts are great, thanks alot, and it's brilliant to see the photos, really, really helpful.  |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:23 am |
Preenie,
Just a thought until Scalawag pops in with her input.
I'm not sure how long you've been using the Bioclear, but, keep in mind, that the acids in that product will allow for even more absorbtion of the CP. So, go sloooowly with the CPs.
Personally, I had very bad luck with CP....I just couldn't get past the congested pores that seemed to plague me every time I used it. Such a bummer since I do believe it the science behind CP.
But, since I'm a glutton for punishment, I still have the bottle in my refrig and I'm sure one of these days I'll probably try it AGAIN! 
Marla |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:42 am |
Thanks Marla.
do you think I should carry on trying the CP?
should I may be use it without the glycolic at first? Maybe alternate products?
I'm the same as you, I really really want it to work, and feel a litle lost knowing it's having such good effect on others, but maybe not for me.
I'm not very good at reading my skin either. I'm so jealous of those who know exactly how they react to everything.
I've also got the JB apple mask thingy on the way, which I'm looking forward to receiving.
anymore advice appreciated
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:44 am |
One more thing.
Just because I may have got the "Uglies" before, does that mean I should never use it again, or is there a way around it?
cheers |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:55 am |
sorry 
whats BHA and Mandelic acid. where can I buy them... I'm going to have a quick look on DY
Cheers |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:42 am |
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AAAh I think I got the "uglies", I thought I was maybe allergic to CP.
I have the normal cp and at first put it straight on to my skin, which I now realise I shouldn't have done. I'm now diluting it, but I'm not sure if I'm doing it properly. I put a blob or two of CP onto my hand then let another couple of drops of water drip from the tap into my hand (very technical!), rub together and pat onto my face. My skin is in a congested scabby mess at mo. I wasn't sure if it was the CP, emu oil or coming off the pill causing the problem, I do now think it's probably the pill.
When I used the CP i did get a congested rough look on my forehead, only on my forehead though.
At mo I am using
AM:
JM Bioglycolic cleanser
moisturiser
PM
bioglycolic cleanser
JMbioclear cream
CP- if I'm using it
also use Cellex C fadeaway something or other, on pigment marks.
Oh my god, my list looks rubbish compared to yours, I actually thought I used a lot of products
Laughing
Any advice would be great, I think my skin is similar to yours.-
Also Scalawaggirl your posts are great, thanks alot, and it's brilliant to see the photos, really, really helpful. |
Preenie, my dear. First thing we must do is take a moment to review your skin issues. What are you trying to address? Do you have very oily skin prone to breakouts/blackheads? Wrinkles? Hyperpigmentation? Anything else? Let's visit that initially, then we can figure out a plan for you. FYI, coming off the pill has probably thrown your system into complete wack-a-doodle-ville.
Marla is right on about the JM products. Any actives will "tenderize" your skin so that additional products can be more potent. As for applying CPs in a non-technical manner, I must softly act like a mommy here and say, "No, no". Here's the schedule you should use when introducing CPs:
Starting routine for CPs:
4 drops CP + 4 drops water - now
5 drops CP + 3 drops water - 2 weeks
6 drops CP + 2 drops water - 2 weeks
7 drops CP + 1 drop water - 2 weeks
8 drops CP
This is very, very important to allow your skin to acclimate to the use of copper peptides. I did an experiment, like you, in the beginning and reacted so backed right off. The thing is that it is necessary to both start slowly AND watch what is happening. That is how you can know ASAP whether you have a reaction or the uglies. It is a sign that things are progressing too rapidly on the CP side of the house. That is why I use an exfoliant 2x/day to help take care of the balance by ridding myself of old skin. That is also, I believe, why I've seen such progress in a short time (w/the addition of strong peels).
Regarding the Cellex-C product, I am unclear when you are applying it but if it is in the PM w/CPs, it will be negated (the Vitamin C) because CPs do not play nicely at the same time. I use Vit. C in the AM and CPs each night for this reason.
I'll wait to hear back from you to try to help more. We have to do a little investigation first but I'd initially recommend stopping CPs for the moment until we can get everything sorted. |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:45 am |
| preenie wrote: |
sorry
whats BHA and Mandelic acid. where can I buy them... I'm going to have a quick look on DY
Cheers |
I saw in your siggie that you're mixed race (what is your skin tone? I ask in regard to peels as one must take care w/ethnic - dark - skin to avoid further causing pigmention issues), combo skin, hyperpigmentation and enlarged pores so let's discuss a little further what's been happening (as far as schedules of products, how long, etc.)
On the subject of having uglies at one point, no, it does not mean you will continue to experience them. It's all a matter of balance. |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:00 am |
| scalawaggirl wrote: |
| preenie wrote: |
sorry
whats BHA and Mandelic acid. where can I buy them... I'm going to have a quick look on DY
Cheers |
I saw in your siggie that you're mixed race (what is your skin tone? I ask in regard to peels as one must take care w/ethnic - dark - skin to avoid further causing pigmention issues), combo skin, hyperpigmentation and enlarged pores so let's discuss a little further what's been happening (as far as schedules of products, how long, etc.)
On the subject of having uglies at one point, no, it does not mean you will continue to experience them. It's all a matter of balance. |
Oooh thanks for getting back to me.
I'm dark olive I would say, or like a milky cup of coffee!!
My skin marks extremely easy, if there's a spot and i touch it, it will scar, leaving a dark mark (hyperpigmentation I think?) This has been the bain of my life. AS I said before my skin was fine, apart from a few marks, but now it's gone oily and crazy, very congested.
It's a continous cycle, it gets congested, I touch, scars, i touch, more congestion aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!
I've had glycolic peels before by a beautician. I never liked them as I felt they made my hyp.pig worst, but I now realise that's a good thing as it's bringing the scarring to the top and should then disappear, or something like that?!
I don't feel glycolic seems to do much for the texture of my skin though, as my texture is pooh.I kind of expect glycolic to burn off any imperfections but don't think that's what it does?!
I'm pretty rubbish when it comes to all of this, and MY friends think I'm a pro when it comes to skincare
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:14 am |
| preenie wrote: |
Oooh thanks for getting back to me.
You're very welcome.
I'm dark olive I would say, or like a milky cup of coffee!!
My skin marks extremely easy, if there's a spot and i touch it, it will scar, leaving a dark mark (hyperpigmentation I think?)
Okay, first thing is no touching! I know that's easier said than done. Practice telling yourself you mustn't pick when you catch yourself doing it. I'm currently retraining my new-found habit of semi-grinding my teeth/clenching them because of my braces. I am so far succeeding in recognizing that I'm doing it and stopping right away but it will take awhile. As for you, think about the pain of scars/darkening!
We need to get you to a decent foundation first before starting to address some of these issues. How long have you been using the JM cleansing/lotion products? They are pretty strong so I am wondering, if your skin is not agreeing with them. Glycolics don't work for everyone and conversely, BHA/AHAs. It just depends on your skin needs/desires.
This has been the bain of my life. AS I said before my skin was fine, apart from a few marks, but now it's gone oily and crazy, very congested.
You likely experienced the clear skin or atleast were helped by the BC pills and are now experiencing the problems due to going off them. Your hormones are really nutty right now.
It's a continous cycle, it gets congested, I touch, scars, i touch, more congestion aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!
I've had glycolic peels before by a beautician. I never liked them as I felt they made my hyp.pig worst, but I now realise that's a good thing as it's bringing the scarring to the top and should then disappear, or something like that?!
See my earlier comment. Not necessarily good for everyone and I think for you, no. So, skip glycolic as a peel. You could try fruit acid or lactic acid, instead. I think the fruit acid would be a good choice but a low percentage to start off. All in good time, though, we've got to figure out a plan for you first. BTW, you don't want your pigmentation worsening after a peel. What you are referring to is the concept that when remodeling your skin (with CPs/Acids), you will see old scars coming up as the skin rebuilds.
I don't feel glycolic seems to do much for the texture of my skin though, as my texture is pooh.I kind of expect glycolic to burn off any imperfections but don't think that's what it does?!
No peel with burn off imperfections, per se. What will happen is that it will launch an attack against the top layer of skin so that it eventually sloughs off. You can end up with imperfections healing due to skin rebuilding by the natural collagen process.
I'm pretty rubbish when it comes to all of this, and MY friends think I'm a pro when it comes to skincare
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:16 am |
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AAAh I think I got the "uglies", I thought I was maybe allergic to CP.
I have the normal cp and at first put it straight on to my skin, which I now realise I shouldn't have done. I'm now diluting it, but I'm not sure if I'm doing it properly. I put a blob or two of CP onto my hand then let another couple of drops of water drip from the tap into my hand (very technical!), rub together and pat onto my face. My skin is in a congested scabby mess at mo. I wasn't sure if it was the CP, emu oil or coming off the pill causing the problem, I do now think it's probably the pill.
When I used the CP i did get a congested rough look on my forehead, only on my forehead though.
At mo I am using
AM:
JM Bioglycolic cleanser
moisturiser
PM
bioglycolic cleanser
JMbioclear cream
CP- if I'm using it
also use Cellex C fadeaway something or other, on pigment marks.
Oh my god, my list looks rubbish compared to yours, I actually thought I used a lot of products
Laughing
Any advice would be great, I think my skin is similar to yours.-
Also Scalawaggirl your posts are great, thanks alot, and it's brilliant to see the photos, really, really helpful. |
Preenie, my dear. First thing we must do is take a moment to review your skin issues. What are you trying to address? Do you have very oily skin prone to breakouts/blackheads? Wrinkles? Hyperpigmentation? Anything else? Let's visit that initially, then we can figure out a plan for you. FYI, coming off the pill has probably thrown your system into complete wack-a-doodle-ville.
Marla is right on about the JM products. Any actives will "tenderize" your skin so that additional products can be more potent. As for applying CPs in a non-technical manner, I must softly act like a mommy here and say, "No, no". Here's the schedule you should use when introducing CPs:
Starting routine for CPs:
4 drops CP + 4 drops water - now
5 drops CP + 3 drops water - 2 weeks
6 drops CP + 2 drops water - 2 weeks
7 drops CP + 1 drop water - 2 weeks
8 drops CP
This is very, very important to allow your skin to acclimate to the use of copper peptides. I did an experiment, like you, in the beginning and reacted so backed right off. The thing is that it is necessary to both start slowly AND watch what is happening. That is how you can know ASAP whether you have a reaction or the uglies. It is a sign that things are progressing too rapidly on the CP side of the house. That is why I use an exfoliant 2x/day to help take care of the balance by ridding myself of old skin. That is also, I believe, why I've seen such progress in a short time (w/the addition of strong peels).
Regarding the Cellex-C product, I am unclear when you are applying it but if it is in the PM w/CPs, it will be negated (the Vitamin C) because CPs do not play nicely at the same time. I use Vit. C in the AM and CPs each night for this reason.
I'll wait to hear back from you to try to help more. We have to do a little investigation first but I'd initially recommend stopping CPs for the moment until we can get everything sorted. |
ooh sorry I replied to the other post before reading this one, over excited!!!
I think I answered most Q's.
I don't use the cellex c with CP. ooh actually maybe I did a couple of times won't do that again!
I'm trying to mainly address; congested pores, pigmentation, enlarged pores, texture, fine-ish lines on forehead. probably in that order. |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:26 am |
Wow thanks for that your brilliant! 
I have to leave work m=now, so I'll read through it properly again tomorrow.
Thank you, thank you thank you thank you!!!!
I really mean that.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:35 am |
Preenie,
First -- I know that NOTHING wrecks my skin like hormones -- so your BC pills may need to work their way out of your system before you see clear skin!
How long have you been using the Jan Marini products? I personally love the Bioglycolic line, but could see how the acids in those products could be too much for someone just starting out.
If you've been using them without problem, then, yes, I think you should drop the CPs and (if you're using it) the Vit C until your skin heals. Then SLOWLY introduce one product at a time (ie: diluted CP serum every other night, etc).
If your problems started along with using the JM, I would drop all of the products and use something gentler on your skin until you heal. Then, again, introduce one product at a time.
An example of what I did in the beginning:
AM:
**Cleanse
Something like Devita Aloe Cleanser -
I buy from Whole Foods Market
**2% BHA
From Diana Yvonne
**Sunscreen
(I don't need both ss and moisturizer)
**Light makeup
I have to be really careful about makeup and sunscreen as everything clogs my pores
PM:
**Cleanse
**2% BHA
**Mandelic Acid * then wait 30 mins)
I use both Vivant 15% and the 15% from
Skincare Central and love them both
**Mixture of clear emu and Hyaluronic acid
I buy from either Diana Yvonne or Skincare
Central.
This is still pretty much my routine with a few little extras thrown in here and there.
HTH
Marla |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:39 am |
Good post, Marla. Great, simple place to start, which is what I was steering Preenie toward. I'm trying to reign myself in because it seems I'm always recommending Devita or Zenbiotics (my new love affair). I'm starting to sound like a zealot!  |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:41 am |
LOL -- I think I told you how Zenbiotics is very close (TOO CLOSE) to my office...I've been fighting the urge to go in and buy that Oxygen!!!
MUST...BE...STRONG.
MUST...USE....UP...ALLTHESTUFF IN MY CABINET FIRST!!!
Marla |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:55 am |
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LOL -- I think I told you how Zenbiotics is very close (TOO CLOSE) to my office...I've been fighting the urge to go in and buy that Oxygen!!!
MUST...BE...STRONG.
MUST...USE....UP...ALLTHESTUFF IN MY CABINET FIRST!!!
Marla |
But it's only $12 and no shipping.  |
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42; medium, warm-toned; large pores prone to congestion; oily; using Karin Herzog exclusively right now! |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:01 am |
NO SHIPPING????
Well, shoot, what am I waiting for? I was trying (and, now, apparently, failing) to tap into the tightwad part of me saying that I should not pay for shipping when Zen is only a few miles away.
Of course that 5 bucks is HUGE compared to the *****'s that I've spent on skincare over the past year - NOT!!!!
Marla |
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Age 41; Oily; Acne prone; Resilient; Currently loving Tazorac, Kate Somerville ExfoliKate and Deep Tissue Repair; Bobbi Brown Hydrating Eye Cream |
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:03 am |
| They can't charge shipping when you can go right over, can they? I have heard of vendors doing some such nuttiness but only when they don't have an actual store front. Is that the case there? I sure hope not because then it breaks my enabling down. |
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