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Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:23 am  |
Having done my own research, and having used Retin A since I was 30, and being an avid reader of many sources including the pubmed studies I think its safe to ask someone when they make a statement such as you did that people under 40 shouldn't use Retin A that you should expect people to ask you your sources. Besides as I stated, it is not factually based at all - far from it.
| heyheymonster wrote: |
Rubbish...
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thanks for immediately dismissing it instead of doing your own research. If you did, im sure you'd see what im talking about.
And yes, I know no one should wear R.A. in the morning, it was a recommendation for anyone new to R.A.
Dont expect any more replies from my end about this though. This forum isnt what it used to be, I'm done with introducing "new" information if everyone wont take more than 5 mins to think about it or look it up. |
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Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:26 am |
I appreciate people sharing information too - but whats wrong with distinguishing between something as being factually based, personal opinion or even own experience. I have no problem with either but what was said originally was:
"you shouldn't be using retin A, ideally, under the age of about 40."
That is going to scare people, and of course if someone is under 40 and has been prescribed Retin A they would be worried (and rightly so after reading that!
| anad wrote: |
I, for one, have appreciated your information, HeyHey...
I know Vitamin A has benefited many...but, I also know that accutane gave me long term problems, like vision loss...and, I suspect Retin A is behind my skin problems as my skin looks so much better off it.
Of course, my dermatologist downplays all this, which is why I no longer see him.
I think the key is to do your homework, weigh the benefits and side effects...make your own decisions about what's best... |
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Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:35 am |
Different strokes for different folks - we are all unique, that is why it is so wonderful that we can share information that MAY be useful.
If you doubt this, just look around the next time you take public transportation.
best, mis |
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Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:09 pm |
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| tomisonbottom wrote: |
| Pandax12 wrote: |
At least I'll look damn fine in my coffin. 
Seriously that is a load of BS. I saw this when it first cam out and was discussed over at skincaretalk.com. If this were evenly remotely true, you think more discussion about it would exist??? You fail to highlight the rest of the article that shoots down this crazy theory. And Niacinamide, while a fine anti-aging ingredient that I use myself, is no substitute for Tretinoin. |
There is no "theory" and zero "BS" in that article. Here are the FACTS:
82 (14%) deaths in retinoid group compared to 53 (9%) placebo. Before the end of intervention in 2004 the deaths climbed to 184: 108 (19%) deaths in retinoid group compared to 76 (14%) placebo. And by the end of study (follow-up phase) there were 212 deaths: 122 (22%) deaths in retinoid group compared to 90 (16%) placebo.
With a continually climbing mortality rate all the way up to over double the placebo, it's very logical that the difference between the groups was the only known constant and always known difference. Tretinoin.
Also NO WHERE in the article does it shoot down any of that information.
You could attribute that difference to chance if you want. It's your life.
There are many other safe and proven ways inlcuding vitamin C and niacinamde, to improve wrinkles and texture and at much less cost then retin-A.
Not to mention just as many people, including myself who got bad results and "orange peel" texture when they used retin-A. |
You just keep on believing those lies and continue being wrong. Been using it for well over 20 years and will forever. Hey go ask 1000 dermatologists if they believe that garbage and 1000 will say no. But your right.....right????? |
Once again, you're not using logic.
I have no need for "belief". Those people died and that's a fact which is not up for debate.
But it's impressive that you just gloss the study over as irrelevant without backing up that statement whatsoever.
Derms telling you it's safe doesn't mean it's safe. It might be, it might not be.
This study demonstrates an excessive amount of deaths from the people using it versus the people who didn't. That's a fact.
I'm only trying to help put the info out there and each person is responsible for what they do to themselves after that.
As for the idea that a 1000 derms would say it's not true........Are you aware that for 20 years Doctors and thousands of trusted authorities in the medical and governmental systems told everyone smoking is safe, despite evidence already coming out to the contrary?
Are you aware of how many prescription drugs have lethal side effects that Doctors prescribe every day, and they don't get pulled off the market until a marked number of people have died of it?
I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis and told it was a progressive disease and diet couldn't help me. They told me my only option was to take an immune suppressing drug.
I was told this by the best doctors in the world. I've been all over the country seeking help.
I did not believe what they told me and instead healed myself with diet alone. They told me it was incurable.
I don't take any medications and I've been completely cured for over a year and a half of an "uncureable disease that will get much worse over time" according to the best Dr.'s in the world.
If I had blindly listened to them without using my brain and studying the facts, I would still be in pain or bed ridden right now.
Sometimes Dr.'s are right and sometimes they're wrong, just like any other person. |
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Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:27 pm |
| heyheymonster wrote: |
Rubbish...
well,
thanks for immediately dismissing it instead of doing your own research. If you did, im sure you'd see what im talking about.
And yes, I know no one should wear R.A. in the morning, it was a recommendation for anyone new to R.A.
Dont expect any more replies from my end about this though. This forum isnt what it used to be, I'm done with introducing "new" information if everyone wont take more than 5 mins to think about it or look it up. |
Fact is your new information is mis-information. Like SisterSweets, I can't stand back and let information like yours steer people in the wrong direction. |
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