Magic immortality potion? C60 (Buckminsterfullerene)
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free skin care · Sun May 13, 2012 12:10 pm

Looks like Sarah Vaughter of owndoc.com has some fascinating new developments! As as usual, she is taking cost into consideration and providing a product we can actually afford!! Smile

The link provides the full article and specifics. There are apparently ways to incorporate this into skin creams as well...

http://owndoc.com/anti-aging/buy-buckminsterfullerene-c60-natural-anti-aging/

"The most exciting news in life extension science’s short history is the discovery that fully dissolved C60 (Buckminsterfullerene) in extra virgin olive oil has very potent anti-aging properties....

"If we were religious, we would be tempted, with the information we have about C60 dissolved in olive oil at this time, to call fullerene C60 a “miraculous elixir of life”. If we believed in voodoo, we would call it a “magic immortality potion”. But we are scientists, so we decided to manufacture and sell the exact same product: Highly purified C60, fully dissolved in extra virgin olive oil. Stirred for two weeks, centrifuged and filtered just like the solution in the original research. People are already buying C60 and dissolving it at home in olive oil and taking it (an unwise thing to do due to the nanoparticles that have to be removed with specialized equipment) and they’re already claiming beneficial effects [see Sarah's article for the link on the effects cited]."

free skin care · Sun May 13, 2012 12:58 pm

Do we drink this, cook with it, or put it on our skin Confused

? Sounds great

eta:

Just read thread, still not 100% sure, but I think you ingest it

free skin care · Sun May 13, 2012 1:50 pm

Tiny wrote:

Do we drink this, cook with it, or put it on our skin Confused

? Sounds great

eta:

Just read thread, still not 100% sure, but I think you ingest it

That's my take as well... ingestion. Sounds like some kind of Sleeping Beauty potion, lol! But this is Sarah Vaughter we're talking about so I can't see magic being too involved. Wink

But it was mentioned in the article's comments that this could also be used (added?) into skin creams...

free skin care · Sun May 13, 2012 2:23 pm

Lacy53 wrote:

Very preliminary research; it's "ingested" not topical. A large percent of the benefits (increased lifespan) was due to the olive oil.

http://extremelongevity.net/wp-content/uploads/C60-Fullerene.pdf

I emailed this link to Sarah... She and her PhD husband are pretty darn hard to impress from what I can tell and I'm guessing they feel there's more to the findings than a suped up version of olive oil. Will be interesting to see how this all develops...

free skin care · Sun May 13, 2012 5:20 pm

I value an open discussion and find much of value in the "tin hat crowd," as you put it, Dr J... so that argument really doesn't hold much water with me.

Nothing is sacrosanct - certainly NOT big pharma.

There's nothing wrong with knowledge and the unlikely, crazy places in just might take you.

We found out that humans could fly... the earth was actually round, and now science fiction is rapidly turning into science fact. I like exploring beyond the limits of what's known and accepted. And if it turns out to be hogwash, at least I have an interesting ride!

free skin care · Sun May 13, 2012 5:54 pm

Tiny wrote:

Luminosity wrote:

I value an open discussion and find much of value in the "tin hat crowd," as you put it, Dr J... so that argument really doesn't hold much water with me.

Nothing is sacrosanct - certainly NOT big pharma.

There's nothing wrong with knowledge and the unlikely, crazy places in just might take you.

We found out that humans could fly... the earth was actually round, and now science fiction is rapidly turning into science fact. I like exploring beyond the limits of what's known and accepted. And if it turns out to be hogwash, at least I have an interesting ride!

I am with you, I'd like to hear more about this, before I rule it or anything out.

Add me to that list!

I appreciate Luminosity taking time to shoot off an email to get another opinion!

A well known quote..........“Science Knows It Doesn’t Know Everything… Otherwise It Would Stop.”

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 6:56 am

This is very interesting. Does anyone have any updates on this? Were we waiting on some sort of email from Luminosity?

DarkMoon wrote:

A well known quote..........“Science Knows It Doesn’t Know Everything… Otherwise It Would Stop.”

Science doesn't know everything... Otherwise we'd all be walking around looking 20 years old! Laughing

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 7:06 am

egyptiangoddess wrote:

This is very interesting. Does anyone have any updates on this? Were we waiting on some sort of email from Luminosity?

DarkMoon wrote:

A well known quote..........“Science Knows It Doesn’t Know Everything… Otherwise It Would Stop.”

Science doesn't know everything... Otherwise we'd all be walking around looking 20 years old! Laughing

ditto, I'd love to hear more, and yes if science were always right, we have no soul, I believe that still "can't" be proved.

eta: that sounds awfully religious, all I mean is science isn't perfect and can't prove it all, so I am def interested in further info

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 8:41 am

I did receive a response from Sarah and was going to post it the other day but when I clicked on the link she provided, it ended up going to "page not found." Just now checked back, and the reply and link are ready! (sorry the graph is so large... Photobucket is not cooperating with me... if I can, I will edit and repaste the graph).

To recap here was my original question to Sarah:

Quote:

Sarah, on the EDS forum someone commented the following and it would be interesting to hear your thoughts:

"A large percent of the benefits (increased lifespan) was due to the olive oil."

http://extremelongevity.net/wp...

Sarah's answer:

Quote:

That is obviously wrong, as evidenced by this graph.

Isn’t it mainly the olive oil that extended the rats’ lives?
Some misinformed online commenters have said that it was in fact the olive oil that made the greatest contribution to the C60-treated rats’ extended lifespan, and not the C60 itself.

That this is false can be seen in the survival graph from the original study (our additions in green):

The median age of death for the C60-treated rats was around 62 months (slightly more than 5 years), wheras the median age of death for the olive-oil treated rats was around 40 months, or a good chunk more than three years. So the C60 rats lived more than one and a half years longer than the olive oil rats. Spectacularly impressive for an animal that normally lives only two and a half years.

The control group on olive oil without C60 was better nourished through the health benefits of olive oil and that this is why it outlived the water control group. But the olive oil only added about 30% more lifespan to the rats, whereas C60 + oil adds approx. 90%. No comparison. This means that C60 adds an enormous number of extra months of life to the olive-oil fed rats. It could be, though, that olive oil has something to do with C60′s anti-aging effects. It could be due to some kind of synergy between the C60 and its embedded long-chain fatty acid from the olive oil, turning the Buckminsterfullerene into a lipofullerene.

http://c60antiaging.com/c60-faq/isnt-it-mainly-the-olive-oil-that-extended-the-rats-lives/

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 2:46 pm

DarkMoon wrote:

Luminosity wrote:

katienieves wrote:

this product looks great and it seems affordable. I still haven't found anything about how you take this product? Do you inject it or what?

I believe it is oral... there is a dropper and you probably add it to some water and drink or just take a tsp directly into your mouth...

Once again, here is the purchase page for more info: http://shop.owndoc.com/p-203/c60-olive-oil-buckminsterfullerene-buckyballs-in-oil.html

Thanks again for posting Luminosity,

I am intrigued by this! We are after all carbon based life forms! Very Happy

I wonder if sephora's will let me use your name and cc # for this order too, hmmmmm hmm

Mon May 28, 2012 6:18 pm

For anyone interested in the application of C60 (including in skincare), they might like to look through: (still can't post links so need to replace "-dot-" with a real dot Embarassed

sorry)

http://vc60.com/en/tech/publications/index.html

The site includes references to 30+ published articles in the field from a wide variety of sources, which can then be found on pubmed etc. The skin-care oriented ones are clear from the titles in case anyone wants to focus on those.

This company who owns the website (Vitamin C60 Bioresearch Corp) is a wholly-owned research branch of Mitsubishi, a major patent holder in this area. It’s been a popular skincare ingredient – particularly in Asia – since 2005 or so. You may recognise the trademarked names “Radical Sponge” (the coated water-soluble version) or “LipoFullerene” more readily though. A friend of mine is enthusiastic about the UNT Elixirin C60 range although I have yet to try this.

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 6:34 pm

felixia wrote:

For anyone interested in the application of C60 (including in skincare), they might like to look through: (still can't post links so need to replace "-dot-" with a real dot Embarassed

sorry)

vc60-dot-com/en/tech/publications/index-dot-html

The site includes references to 30+ published articles in the field from a wide variety of sources, which can then be found on pubmed etc. The skin-care oriented ones are clear from the titles in case anyone wants to focus on those.

This company who owns the website (Vitamin C60 Bioresearch Corp) is a wholly-owned research branch of Mitsubishi, a major patent holder in this area. It’s been a popular skincare ingredient – particularly in Asia – since 2005 or so. You may recognise the trademarked names “Radical Sponge” (the coated water-soluble version) or “LipoFullerene” more readily though. A friend of mine is enthusiastic about the UNT Elixirin C60 range although I have yet to try this.

I got a few hits on that, is this the link?

http://www.vc60.com/en/tech/publications/index.html

Mon May 28, 2012 6:43 pm

It is indeed - thank you so much DarkMoon

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 3:05 am

Yes, you are wrong about that.

If you read the study, you'll see that all rats died of natural causes, that's why the study took so long. They did not kill any of the rats involved in the study, all graphs are of actual lifespans and not extrapolations.

This is why the study made frontpage headlines in major newspapers worldwide, and this is why it is still a hot topic on specialized forums.

I understand the confusion though - the study is a compendium of sub-studies, some did sacrifice the rats after poisoning them with a hepatotoxic chemical, which resulted in knowledge about the (spectacular) liver-protective effects of C60.

All I can say is: Read the study.

For those interested in the topical application of C60: It readily penetrates the skin and it is currently sold in ridiculously low concentrations in skin creams for ridiculously high prices. As in a million times more expensive, mg-for-mg, as our upcoming product.

You'd be able to mix C60-olive oil into creams and you'd be able to use it on your skin directly, but frankly, I haven't done any research into the benefits yet so I can't recommend it.

Also, our c60antiaging site isn't ready yet - there will be many toxicological studies on C60 there soon, so that people can decide whether they want to try this product.

As to the risk of getting shut down - there are many online stores selling questionable products, making all kinds of dubious claims, utilizing an army of affiliates, spammers and agressive advertising. Examples are colloidal silver, MMS and ThreeLac. Some of these products are being directly or indirectly promoted against cancer, AIDS, MS etc. The companies that promote these products are making tens to hundreds of millions a year and they are in gross violation of FDA rules.

Whereas we don't advertise, don't use affiliates, don't spam anywhere except post to put matters straight or to make important, well-received announcements just one single time when it is on-topic. We solely rely on word-of-mouth. And we are "small fries", our turnover can never be big without paid forum spamming, affiliates and ads. Besides, we are a European company.

I hope the FDA has bigger fish to dry than to shut down a company that backs up their products with rigorous medical research papers instead of paid spamming and fake testimonials, claming they can cure cancer and AIDS..

One last note: I did not intend to provoke a discussion on the merits of the products I used as examples here. It is just to illustrate how I think the FDA thinks.

free skin care · Tue May 29, 2012 10:37 am

Thank you, Sarah, for your feedback on this thread!! You are helping clearing up some of the confusion and giving us much food for thought. Very Happy

I'm looking forward to understanding this better.

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