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Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:30 pm  |
I have stopped using retin-a and my skin looks much better. Even if I was able to use retin A without all the pellings and irritation still my skin looked too dry to look plumped.
However, I would like to try to include a 0.2% retinol serum to get the benefices from Vit A.
Is any of you have gotten nice results with retinol ? Or do you believe it is worth less since it is to mild ?
Here is the serum I'm looping at :
Alyria Multi-Correction Night Serum (5% peptides & 0.2% Retinol)
Multi-Correction Night Serum is formulated with a high concentration of retinol, in a time-release MicroDelivery™ system, Matrixyl™ and LONGEVICELL®. It is clinically proven to significantly reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles, visibly smooth skin crepiness, decrease the appearance of pore size, help even out skin tone and delay the signs of aging. Regular use on the face and neck will provide brighter, smoother and younger-looking skin.
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:53 pm |
I think there is a benefit to using retinol if you don't tolerate retin a well.
I've used Retin a and retinol. Personally, I've been thinking of switching to retinol, as I'm sick of the peelies from retin a. |
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:11 pm |
| I think retinol is a great alternative if you can't tolerate Retin A. |
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:55 pm |
Personally I prefer retinol over any other retinoid, tretinoin/Retin-A included. Even if it's weaker than the prescription retinoids I feel retinol makes my skin look best (healthier), this time regardless of the formulation (even though there are huge differences).
And I despise the bases in which tretinoin/Retin-A comes. I feel that a perfect mix of inactive ingredients is as important as the active ingredients themselves. |
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:14 pm |
| I am always confused re retinol, what is retinol? is it retinyl palmitate or...? |
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:38 pm |
| Retinyl palmitate <=> Retinol <=> Retinaldehyde => Retinoic acid |
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:22 pm |
| fawnie wrote: |
| You could get a jar of retinaldehyde from Osmosis and mix a tiny scoop of it into whatever lotion/cream/serum you already like and use. |
That could be a nice DIY option. However, I fell I don't have enough knowledge to get into this.
I have ordered the Alyria Multi-corrections night serum. I like there products alot.
I'm going to wait a few weeks before trying it because now I'm testing a C serum and want to see what it really does for me. |
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:38 pm |
| Thank you fawnie and bethany, however the confusion still persists.. the article says that retinol is the alcohol form of vitamin A which is used to transport this vitamin from liver to tissues.. what I am wondering is when a label says 1% Retinol, does it contains the alcohol version of vitamin A or retinyl palmitate/acetate. Most of the ingredient label just says retinol. |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:08 am |
| I never use it.I don't know what's different from each other.However I see a lot of people are using similar products. |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:47 am |
| daler wrote: |
| what I am wondering is when a label says 1% Retinol, does it contains the alcohol version of vitamin A or retinyl palmitate/acetate. Most of the ingredient label just says retinol. |
It should contain retinol if the label says so, but this is skin care industry and it's full of scumbags. For example, Cosmetic Skin Solutions have a product that says "Retinol 1.0 Cremė Advanced Formula +" which sounds great, and it is specifically implied that there is this pure retinol in there, but is misleading, because it has no retinol in there just retinyl palmitate, which is 4 or 40 times weaker (don't quote me in that) and while it does something for skin, it's not retinol or anything. Sellers of DIY actives also cheat their customers that way.
Always look at the full ingredients list and if there's something dodgy - leave it be, there are thousands of vit A formulas that actually have the real deal in there.
It's probably very confusing reading about all the forms if vit A and thanks to supplement and skin care industries and their lies people often use the therms wrong. Same as vit C and many other things.
It's easier to think of all the vit A forms as cars.
The prescription kind, tretinoin, would be a Lamborghini Aventador, fast working and aggressive.
Retinol would be like Porsche 911, reliable, but with teeth, and something everyone wants.
Retinly palmitate is a Toyota Aygo, it gets you from A to B, but it's a long and boring trip.  |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:11 am |
I have not used this one yet; should I have not "retinized", I would use this product before moving up to tretinoin.
http://www.skinmedica.com/skin-care-products/tri-retinol-complex
Ingredients
Water/Aqua/Eau, Caprylic/Carpic Triglyceride, Glycerin, Cetearyl Alcohol, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter) Fruit, Methyl Methacrylate/Glycol Dimethacrylate Crosspolymer, Cetyl Ricinoleate, Cetyl Alcohol, Dimethicone, Polysorbate 60, Retinol, Retinyl Palmitate, Retinyl Acetate, Bisabolol, Tetrahexyldecyl Ascorbate, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Ascorbic Acid, Tocopherol Tocopheryl Acetate, Tocotrienols, Stearic Acid, PEG-10 Soy Sterol, Benzyl Alcohol, Polysorbate 20, Cyclopentasiloxane, Magnesium Aluminum Silicate, Polyacrylamide, Triethanolamine, Cyclohexasiloxane, Triethanolamine, Disodium EDTA, C13-14 Isoparaffin, BHT, Laureth-7, Propyl Gallate, Phenoxyethanol.
http://www.amazon.com/SkinMedica-Tri-retinol-Complex-Es-1-Ounce/dp/B0042TH4PE/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:49 pm |
| jazzi wrote: |
| For example, Cosmetic Skin Solutions have a product that says "Retinol 1.0 Cremė Advanced Formula +" which sounds great, and it is specifically implied that there is this pure retinol in there, but is misleading, because it has no retinol in there just retinyl palmitate, which is 4 or 40 times weaker (don't quote me in that) and while it does something for skin, it's not retinol or anything. |
exactly, I have seen several of the same n I was wondering if retinyl plamitate is considered retinol, but apparently not... how come retinol is not available for DIY use... |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:33 pm |
| daler wrote: |
| exactly, I have seen several of the same n I was wondering if retinyl plamitate is considered retinol, but apparently not... how come retinol is not available for DIY use... |
I think only the ester forms, mainly palmitate and acitate, are available for purchase.
Retinol could be found, but diluted to 10% in something like triglycerides. Most sellers will cheat and sell something else instead and call it retinol. Pure retinol, retinal or tretinoin (and most other vit A forms) are only for professionals and mere mortals can't legally buy it in most places on this planet and the transport and storage is a pain since it should be kept deeply frozen to preserve activity.
However, if you really wanted you could buy 25 kg bucket of pure retinol from Asia. But it's very expensive, 1 g already was over $200 at Sigma Aldrich. It's also why retinol products that have meaningful concentrations are way over drug store price level. |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:05 pm |
| I use Retin-A three nights a week and a 1% retinol serum the other 4 nights and my skin has never looked better. I think to get a similar effect as Retin-A the percent of retinol in the product should be at least 1%. I don't think 0.2% retinol is enough. |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:21 pm |
| jom wrote: |
| I use Retin-A three nights a week and a 1% retinol serum the other 4 nights and my skin has never looked better. I think to get a similar effect as Retin-A the percent of retinol in the product should be at least 1%. I don't think 0.2% retinol is enough. |
Hi jom, how long have u been following this regimen? thank you |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:23 pm |
| daler wrote: |
| jom wrote: |
| I use Retin-A three nights a week and a 1% retinol serum the other 4 nights and my skin has never looked better. I think to get a similar effect as Retin-A the percent of retinol in the product should be at least 1%. I don't think 0.2% retinol is enough. |
Hi jom, how long have u been following this regimen? thank you |
For a little over a year. |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:56 pm |
Jom I made a mistake it 2%.
If I do good with retinol 2% I might try after a while to include retin A 2 times a week as you do. |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:14 pm |
| chantrelle99 wrote: |
Jom I made a mistake it 2%.
If I do good with retinol 2% I might try after a while to include retin A 2 times a week as you do. |
Oh that's great. You should get some results with that. |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:24 pm |
| chantrelle99 wrote: |
Jom I made a mistake it 2%.
If I do good with retinol 2% I might try after a while to include retin A 2 times a week as you do. |
Hi, who told u it's 2%? I checked out it's ingredient list n retinol is listed towards the end. |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:14 pm |
| daler wrote: |
| chantrelle99 wrote: |
Jom I made a mistake it 2%.
If I do good with retinol 2% I might try after a while to include retin A 2 times a week as you do. |
Hi, who told u it's 2%? I checked out it's ingredient list n retinol is listed towards the end. |
I think you're right. Here is the ingredients list of the Marie Veronique Pacific Night Serum with 1% Retinol that I use. The retinol is close to the top. The retinol in the Alyria serum is close to the bottom.
Camellia sinensis (green tea)*, citrus aurantium (neroli) hydrosol, Pacific Marine Bioactive Peptides™ , vitamin A emulsion [aqua (water), glycine soja (soybean) oil, retinol (1%), cellulose gum, acrylates/C10-30 alkyl acrylate cross-polymer, chitosan], leuconostoc/radish root ferment (Leucidal**), glycerin (vegetable glycerin)*, populus tremuloides (aspen) bark extract, algae extract & sodium hyaluronate, saccharomyces ferment*, gluconolactone/sodium benzoate (Micro Guard**), coenzyme Q10, glucosamine, niacinamide, Noni/SOD/Resveratrol Microemulsion™, macrocystis pyrifera (sea kelp) extract, sodium alginate gel, mixed tocopherols (vitamin E)*, oat beta glucans, ceramide complex [ceramide 3, ceramide 6 II, ceramide 1, phytosphingosine, cholesterol, sodium lauroyl lactylate] , leontopodium alpinum (edelweiss) extract*, homeostatine [aqua (water), glycerin, enteromorpha compressa (linnaeus) extract], low weight sodium hyaluronate, tamarindus indica (tamarind) seed extract, camellia sinensis (white tea) extract*, magnesium ascorbyl phosphate (vitamin C), retinyl palmitate (retinol), teprenone [caprylic/capric triglyceride, teprenone (geranylgeranone GGA) in a lipophilic solvent], cholecalciferol (vitamin D3), xanthan gum, glycan booster [tetradecyl amino-butyroylvalyl-aminobutyric urea trifluoroacetate, magnesium chloride, glycerin], glycoproteins, , tripeptide-29, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, palmitoyl tripeptide-5 |
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:02 pm |
I found some info on skinstore .com:
Pure retinol is a very volatile chemical and can be affected by oxygen. As a result, it must be stored and shipped at cold temperatures in special packaging that does not allow the air to reach the ingredient. This makes producing retinol and using it as a skin care ingredient expensive.
To help mitigate some of these costs, retinol can be combined with chemical compounds known as esters. The presence of these additional molecules helps to stabilize the retinol. When a formula contains retinol that is combined with stabilizing esters, the term "retinyl palmitate" is typically featured on the product's list of ingredients. Retinyl palmitate offers many of the same benefits as retinol, but typically takes longer to produce results or requires a larger dosage to completely offer the same level of effectiveness as pure retinol. |
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Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:30 pm |
| jom wrote: |
| daler wrote: |
| chantrelle99 wrote: |
Jom I made a mistake it 2%.
If I do good with retinol 2% I might try after a while to include retin A 2 times a week as you do. |
Hi, who told u it's 2%? I checked out it's ingredient list n retinol is listed towards the end. |
I think you're right. Here is the ingredients list of the Marie Veronique Pacific Night Serum with 1% Retinol that I use. The retinol is close to the top. The retinol in the bottom |
Yep you are right in Alyria the retinol is listed at the bottom. I had gotten the information about the 2% on a derm web site not from Alyria web site.
I sure will write to them to get more information about this. If the derm web site is wrong they should correct the information... |
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Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:39 pm |
| I had a facial about a month ago and the esthetician said that she prefers retinols to retinoids. She said they're just as effective, but not as irritating. She recommended PCA Skin's Intensive Age Refining Treatment 0.5% Pure Retinol Night (they sell it on this website). I personally haven't tried it other than what she used for the facial, but I may if I keep having peeling with the Retin-A. |
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