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Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:37 pm  |
Fat pads, as in the jowl or eye area would be great to be reduced . . .
I'm looking now at the Rex-Kara!
Of course, everyday I seem to be heading in a new direction. |
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Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:45 pm |
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In one spot it's $197 and in another it's $140. Since it's in Korean - which one is which? |
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Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:47 pm |
| I would imagine that all these devices work in a similar fashion - so if fat loss is an issue, it would apply to all brands. However, I just don't believe that these home-use brands could get rid of fat. The professional devices built for this purpose heat up to extremely high temperatures to do so - and even they're said not to be that effective. |
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:29 am |
| Rapunzell wrote: |
| Fat pads, as in the jowl or eye area would be great to be reduced . . . |
I don't know what your facial structure is like, but unless you have noticeable deformities to start with, most people are not well-served by losing fat around the eyes. Scroll down this page to see the benefit of additional volume under the eye: http://www.lipostructure.com/mid-face
| Rapunzell wrote: |
| Of course, everyday I seem to be heading in a new direction. |
 I can relate!
Keliu, my rational side tells me you're correct, but my paranoia is getting in the way 
I do agree, though, that if the devices caused facial fat loss it should be seen across the board. I guess my real concern is that other than karenlee, there aren't (to my knowledge) many people who have used a 1 mhz device on their face long-term. If they removed fat on the body, I'm sure they'd be the most sought-after devices on the planet, but the skin on the face is thinner than on the rest of the body - much thinner, in some cases - so, while I can accept that my 2 mhz u/s is probably pretty safe to use on my face, I'm still leery of the 1 mhz. Or, rather, I vacillate between being leery, and thinking it's the best thing ever and OMG I need it yesterday.  |
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:37 am |
| Rapunzell wrote: |
| ......In one spot it's $197 and in another it's $140. Since it's in Korean - which one is which? |
From the Gmarket and the manufacturer's website, Ahrong & all I know is that there are Rex Kara I, II & IV.
Rex Kara I is just ultrasound (USD 140)
Rex Kara II is ultrasound + infared + galvanic (USD 197)
Rex Kara IV - no idea what it is
Rex Kara III - Germanium Skin care massager
http://english.11st.co.kr/product/SellerProductDetail.tmall?method=getSellerProductDetail&prdNo=616581786 |
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:37 am |
| Lowbrowscientist wrote: |
| Rapunzell wrote: |
| Of course, everyday I seem to be heading in a new direction. |
I can relate!
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Me too!
So, can someone please buy the Rex Kara II and try it for us?   |
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:26 am |
| Lowbrowscientist wrote: |
| Rapunzell wrote: |
| Fat pads, as in the jowl or eye area would be great to be reduced . . . |
I don't know what your facial structure is like, but unless you have noticeable deformities to start with, most people are not well-served by losing fat around the eyes. Scroll down this page to see the benefit of additional volume under the eye: http://www.lipostructure.com/mid-face
| Rapunzell wrote: |
| Of course, everyday I seem to be heading in a new direction. |
Keliu, my rational side tells me you're correct, but my paranoia is getting in the way
I do agree, though, that if the devices caused facial fat loss it should be seen across the board. I guess my real concern is that other than karenlee, there aren't (to my knowledge) many people who have used a 1 mhz device on their face long-term. If they removed fat on the body, I'm sure they'd be the most sought-after devices on the planet, but the skin on the face is thinner than on the rest of the body - much thinner, in some cases - so, while I can accept that my 2 mhz u/s is probably pretty safe to use on my face, I'm still leery of the 1 mhz. Or, rather, I vacillate between being leery, and thinking it's the best thing ever and OMG I need it yesterday. |
Is your 2 MHz galvanized too? If so, which brand?
Can't we all just find the holy grail here? |
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:26 am |
Keep in mind that the guy that wrote that article is the US distributor for the Environ product line (including the machine designed by Dr F). Every one of his articles is pretty much a thinly disguised sales pitch for his products. |
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:25 am |
| Rapunzell wrote: |
Is your 2 MHz galvanized too? If so, which brand? |
No, it's not  It's from Bellaire, a brand that came highly recommended by other users, and to my knowledge, no one had problems and most people who bought them really liked them. I haven't looked at their website in awhile and I don't have time to go through it now, but they may offer something comparable to the Sqoom and Rex Kara!
| Rapunzell wrote: |
| Can't we all just find the holy grail here? |
Hopefully soon
In truth, I'm really tempted by the Rex Kara II, but I want to make sure it has all the same functions as the Sqoom. Someone (I think Bethany?) posted some Sqoom treatment protocols in the Sqoom thread, and I want to be able to use those protocols.
Edited to add: I'm glancing over the Bellaire website and it really doesn't look like they have anything more to offer than they did 4 years ago  and their page on how to choose a device doesn't appear to to be up-to-date with current technology. |
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:32 pm |
The Rex-Kara iii appears to have ultrasound, galvanic and infrared, all through a germanium treatment head.
Germanium is used as a good semi-conductor in electronics, and also in infra-red detectors. It looks like they have combined the technology (as well as germanium's popularity in Asia as a natural negative ion generator) to come up with a very interesting ultrasound treatment head. It appears that the infra-red light shines through the large germanium treatment head, whilst you are getting the galvanic and ultrasound treatment. I love the technology!
I think the fat thing is just bad marketing hyperbole. Asians are oftened concerned about having round faces, so some marketers are always saying their devices get rid of fat. I think if that was true of ultrasound there would have been problems already. People have been using ultrasound facially for years now, and I have never heard one case of fat loss. A far as improvement of cellulite, as long as fluid accumulation is involved (as it often is) the ultrasound being very effective with clogged lymph could certainly improve the appearance. That is probably what that means.
I like that the device uses 1.7 MHz, and combines other good modalities. If you can find a sqoom for a similar price, why not buy it if you feel safer with it? I am fully satisfied with mine. Or pay the higher price for the sqoom, which might be worth it for peace of mind for you.
Someone did contact Lotts regarding the differences between Fyola and Sqoom. Sqoom did not change anything except the treatment head was coated in titanium, and apparently the battery was improved. Everything else is exactly the same, except the later models seem to have simplified (or less) treatment choices. Sqoom maintained in emails to a member here (unfortunately I forget who or where) that it really all comes down to their skin products, that the device is just a part of it. Considering the main part of the products relies on ulmw hyaluronic, aloe and a few other ingredients, we should be able to get similar results without the high prices. I believe that anything you believe would be good deeply penetrated into the skin should be fine. I avoid chemicals and preservatives, fragrances, and try to keep the products simple and pure. |
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:37 pm |
| Idealist wrote: |
| Considering the main part of the products relies on ulmw hyaluronic, aloe and a few other ingredients, we should be able to get similar results without the high prices. |
Idealist, Sqoom documentation says that they use LMW HA (vs ULMA), but I will hopefully have clarification and more details next week from them, as well as their perspective on anything less than 50k daltons causing inflammation. |
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:56 pm |
| Idealist wrote: |
| I think the fat thing is just bad marketing hyperbole. Asians are oftened concerned about having round faces, so some marketers are always saying their devices get rid of fat. I think if that was true of ultrasound there would have been problems already. People have been using ultrasound facially for years now, and I have never heard one case of fat loss. |
Yes, and your results (and karenlee's) seems to support that it's safe. But, while people have used u/s for years, 1 MHz used to be reserved for the body. So, while I'm 99% sure it's safe, I'm still waffling...
| Idealist wrote: |
| If you can find a sqoom for a similar price, why not buy it if you feel safer with it? I am fully satisfied with mine. Or pay the higher price for the sqoom, which might be worth it for peace of mind for you. |
I may go with a Merbe (or nothing! ). But the Rex Kara II has a titanium head, and it looks like it has the same, or similar, settings as the Sqoom, at the same price point. If the RK2 can help my lips as much as the Sqoom helped karenlee's, and if it can help my smile lines/parentheses as much the Fyola helped yours, I'll probably jump on it |
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:17 pm |
"I may go with a Merbe (or nothing! Smile). But the Rex Kara II has a titanium head, and it looks like it has the same, or similar, settings as the Sqoom, at the same price point. If the RK2 can help my lips as much as the Sqoom helped karenlee's, and if it can help my smile lines/parentheses as much the Fyola helped yours, I'll probably jump on it"
Exactly where I'm stuck! AND where to buy the RK2? Korea? $200 with no warrant? Smart? |
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:10 am |
Now to find the best gel! This one that comes with it looks a little too chemically, maybe?
INGREDIENTS (INCI):
Aqua, Glycerin, Dimethicone, Butylene Glycol, Cyclopentasiloxane, PEG-10 Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone
Crosspolymer, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Betaine, Sodium Acrylate Acryloyldimethyl
Taurate/Acrylamide Copolymer, Isohexadecane, Pentylene Glycol, Polysorbate 80, Carbomer, Triethanolamine,
Phenoxyethanol, Scutellaria Baicalensis Root Extract, Paeonia Suffruticosa Root Extract, Ethylhexylglycerin,
Tocopheryl Acetate, Adenosine, Dipotassium Glycyrrhizate, Parfum, Limonene, Butylphenyl Methylpropional. |
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:47 am |
Congrats! 
Looking forward to your review.
About the Gel, I find it strange that is full of silicones (Dimethicone, Cyclopentasiloxane, PEG-10 Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone
Crosspolymer are all silicones I think). I wonder if they penetrate the skin and if this would be desirable - I thought products used with ultrasound and galvanic should be water-based? |
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:58 am |
Actually it's $160 OFF + $4.99 shipping + 1 year manufacture warranty.
Yep, not thrilled with the ingredient list. I may buy what Bethany is using?! I need to go find the Sqoom list and see what's in that!?
The Fyola Gel is 100% organic > Aloe, seaweed, chamomile, elder flower, citrus, etc.
Ideas anyone? |
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:32 am |
| Rapunzell wrote: |
Yep, not thrilled with the ingredient list. I may buy what Bethany is using?! I need to go find the Sqoom list and see what's in that!?
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Kassy posted the ingredients of some of the Sqoom gels on the Sqoom thread. To me, they look better than the Rex Kara Gel.
ETA: What about the Ultra Renew Gel:
http://www.truthinaging.com/ultra-renew-gel-serum-with-5-ybf-control |
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:54 am |
| Rapunzell wrote: |
Yee Haw!
I just bought the Rex Kara II. Found it for $339.00 PLUS $100.00 OFF = $239!! 2 day shipping. |
Yay!
I've had good experiences buying through Newegg, too -- can't wait to read your review!
Have you had a chance to compare the functions to the functions on the Sqoom?
My older 2 mhz doesn't have them and I keep forgetting to open both pages and do a comparison. I *think* they're the same, though...? I really want to use some of the Sqoom protocols. |
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:57 am |
| Chiqui65 wrote: |
| Rapunzell wrote: |
Yep, not thrilled with the ingredient list. I may buy what Bethany is using?! I need to go find the Sqoom list and see what's in that!?
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Kassy posted the ingredients of some of the Sqoom gels on the Sqoom thread. To me, they look better than the Rex Kara Gel.
ETA: What about the Ultra Renew Gel:
http://www.truthinaging.com/ultra-renew-gel-serum-with-5-ybf-control |
Karenlee said she also liked some of the Environ gels - the Colostrum gel and another one, I think; she mentions them in the Sqoom thread. I think she said they weren't comfortable to leave on after the treatment (like she could with the Sqoom gels) so she stuck with the Sqoom gels out of convenience, but they might be another option.
The Environ gels are also pricey, but a little less than the Sqoom gels. And I imagine you could stretch them by using smaller amounts, combined with a different (cheaper) gel. |
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:04 am |
Yay Rapunzell! I hope you love it. It definitely looks like a good deal for an ultrasound with those specs. I can't wait to hear your impressions on it.
That gel doesn't sound like something you want to penetrate into the skin. It may have good slip for using on top of a serum you do want to penetrate, but I still wouldn't be comfortable with it, especially when there are better things to use. The fyola gel is nice, but needs rewetting as it doesn't stay slippery, but obviously so does the sqoom gel, as they have their own spray. It is difficult to get a natural gel to stay slick (hence the formulation of this gel). I would trust that the formulation of the sqoom gels are good. I also think its possible to use other hyaluronic based serums. |
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:57 am |
I have the Bellaire skin spatula, I love it I use it once a week approx. I buy Fawnies peptide gel and spritz with avene's water spray, when my skin dries out.
Sometimes I add in NCN matrxyl serum ,as well.
I cant remember what mhz the thing is but guess its more than one!
I think it was Keliu(apologies if not) who said once that it was like rubbing a hot spoon over her
face and was a little boring! She Is right!
But I think it does somethng to my face, plumps it a bit, makes the skin look better and certainly the next day my face is different , more hydrated, smoother and just juicier/dewier looking!
Has anyone else got this? What are your results with it.
Oh it also has a cleansing option which is great the skin feels sooo much smoother and softer after use. |
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:20 am |
| 10Sylvia5 wrote: |
I have the Bellaire skin spatula, I love it I use it once a week approx. [...]I cant remember what mhz the thing is but guess its more than one! [...] Has anyone else got this? What are your results with it.
Oh it also has a cleansing option which is great the skin feels sooo much smoother and softer after use. |
Boski doesn't post here anymore, but she had one too, and she loved hers! At the time I passed on the spatula because it cost a bit more and I just wanted product penetration. But now I'm interested in the cleansing features too. I'm intrigued by the notion that these devices can pull out impurities, and I wonder if maybe a few weeks of "pre-treatment" cleansing with an ultrasound device might help people to avoid the initial purging process (which can be quite severe) that comes with starting retin-a. |
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