Shop with us!!! We sell the most advanced skin care anti-aging cosmetics on the market: cellex-c, phytomer, sothys, dermalogica, md formulations, decleor, valmont, kinerase, yonka, jane iredale, thalgo, yon-ka, ahava, bioelements, jan marini, peter thomas roth, murad, ddf, orlane, glominerals, StriVectin SD.
 
 back to skin care discussion board front page with forums indexEDS Skin Care Forums Search the ForumSearch Most popular all-time Forum TopicsHot! Library
 Guidelines  FAQ  Register
Free gifts for Forum MembersForum Gifts Free Gifts offers at Essential Day SpaFree Gifts Offers  Log in



Sunscreen Advice from Marie Veronique Organics
EDS Skin Care Forums Forum Index » Skin Care and Makeup Forum
Reply to topic
Author Message
jazzi
Senior Member
10% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
Posts: 186
Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:01 am      Reply with quote
ShastaGirl wrote:
Anyone see this latest article in the MVO blog? It states titanium dioxide Is one of the top 5 suspected carcinogens, right up there with welding fumes and formaldehyde.

http://www.mvorganics.com/blogs/mvo/5913861-how-safe-is-titanium-dioxide


I think reading the actual paper that lists the carcinogens would be more helpful than reading vendor's interpretation of it.

http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Publications/techrep42/index.php

Last paragraph says clearly that this particular monograph does not pertain sunscreens. At least that's what I read.
Powder and spray sunscreens would be the exception in this case, but that those are no good is almost common knowledge. Even the ones with zinc in them, just because zinc particulates haven't been listed as carcinogenic or toxic yet doesn't mean they are harmless. I'm pretty sure I could find a boatload of incriminating evidence against zinc oxide, how it damages enteric walls, lung cells, disturbs cytokine balance and so on. Imagine using that as a sunscreen! Shock
However, it's rather difficult to breathe in liquid sunscreen. I'm sure someone would manage, but I'm not concerned that if I'd use titanium dioxide sunscreen I'd grow lung or enteric tumors. Even if I was a tiny rodent. Or a fish.

The Gulston study doesn't seem as alarming to me either. It really was a small amount.

http://www.researchonline.mq.edu.au/vital/access/manager/Repository/mq:14632;jsessionid=763752E44D7EC23143816BC6C6848BE9?exact=subject%3A%22zinc+isotopes%22

I'm not a huge fan of nano particles in sunscreens, but not because I worry about my internal organs would suffer. To damage those I'd need to inhale or swallow sunscreen, as the data referenced by MVO clearly states. My reason for steering clear of nanos is their lousy UVA protection.

To me, this MVO blog entry seems very biased. It screams, don't buy any other sunscreens, only ours is safe!
rileygirl
VIP Member
20% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 9519
Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:22 am      Reply with quote
jazzi wrote:
I'm pretty sure I could find a boatload of incriminating evidence against zinc oxide


LOL. I found something similar already that I posted in another thread. (Not scientific, but still goes to show that we probably could find differing information on a lot of different ingredients.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2141257/Suncream-ingredient-damage-skin-cells-exposed-UV-rays.html
RussianSunshine
VIP Member
20% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 2155
Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:12 pm      Reply with quote
rileygirl, how does MVO sunscreen compare to Devita Sunblock? Which one is more moisturizing and protects better?
rileygirl
VIP Member
20% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 9519
Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:42 am      Reply with quote
RussianSunshine wrote:
rileygirl, how does MVO sunscreen compare to Devita Sunblock? Which one is more moisturizing and protects better?


In my own opinion, the Devita is definitely more moisturizing. The MVO one is actually pretty drying to my skin. I only use it on the weekends when I don't have to see anyone. Otherwise, I am usually pretty flaky and dry looking with the MVO on. I think the MVO would be great for oily skin, but my dry skin can't handle it.
myamax
Senior Member
10% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 21 Nov 2007
Posts: 163
Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:07 am      Reply with quote
I just received my travel kits from MVO - have tried the Everyday sunscreen for a few days in a row now. It feels much nicer if you have applied the MVO facial oil (or any other facial oil like Decleor, DIY etc.) underneath it. Otherwise it is quite 'dry'/very matte and doesn't leave the 'dewy glow' on the skin. I am partial to a dewy look myself.

I can see how someone with oily skin might not reuqire the facial oil underneath, but mine is normal and I quite like it with the oil underneath. Haven't tried a regular moisturizer under it yet.

I also recieved a sample of the Moisturizing sunscreen, will report again once I have had an opportunity to try it for a few days.


In regard to color, I recieved both the Extra Light and Light. I am very fair with a yellow undertone (porcelain in the Bobbi Brown make-up line or Bisque in Jane Iredale) and I do not wear bronzer or self tanner as I don't like color to my skin (except blush). The Light is too dark for my taste...it would be me with a tan basically! Hopefully that information helps in terms of color determination for those interested in purchasing.
RussianSunshine
VIP Member
20% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 2155
Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:12 am      Reply with quote
rileygirl wrote:
RussianSunshine wrote:
rileygirl, how does MVO sunscreen compare to Devita Sunblock? Which one is more moisturizing and protects better?


In my own opinion, the Devita is definitely more moisturizing. The MVO one is actually pretty drying to my skin. I only use it on the weekends when I don't have to see anyone. Otherwise, I am usually pretty flaky and dry looking with the MVO on. I think the MVO would be great for oily skin, but my dry skin can't handle it.


And what do you wear on other days, riley? Shock Pratima? Is Pratima less or more moisturizing than Devita?
nuttymadam
Senior Member
10% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 28 Jun 2012
Posts: 95
Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:12 am      Reply with quote
I think her ss is more drying because its uncoated so it acts more as an astringent, correct me if Im wrong though. I dont feel I can win with sunscreens since they say it produces freeradicals if you dont coat it. I havent used devita but its next on my list.

personally mvo seems quite expensive for a small tub...

_________________
Nuttyemma on skincare.boards.net
rileygirl
VIP Member
20% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 9519
Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:18 am      Reply with quote
nuttymadam wrote:
I think her ss is more drying because its uncoated so it acts more as an astringent, correct me if Im wrong though. I dont feel I can win with sunscreens since they say it produces freeradicals if you dont coat it. I havent used devita but its next on my list.

personally mvo seems quite expensive for a small tub...


Agree on both counts. I also don't feel like I can win with SS's, and it is very expensive for the size. However, I am willing to pay that for a HG sunscreen!
rileygirl
VIP Member
20% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 9519
Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:20 am      Reply with quote
RussianSunshine wrote:


And what do you wear on other days, riley? Shock Pratima? Is Pratima less or more moisturizing than Devita?


Yes, the Pratima daily. I think the Pratima is definitely more moisturizing for my skin, but it also has a much heavier feel that the Devita if that makes sense.

I actually just ordered the Suntegrity BB cream, so I'll do an initial review of that once I receive it and give it a try!
nuttymadam
Senior Member
10% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 28 Jun 2012
Posts: 95
Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:14 am      Reply with quote
rileygirl wrote:
nuttymadam wrote:
I think her ss is more drying because its uncoated so it acts more as an astringent, correct me if Im wrong though. I dont feel I can win with sunscreens since they say it produces freeradicals if you dont coat it. I havent used devita but its next on my list.

personally mvo seems quite expensive for a small tub...


Agree on both counts. I also don't feel like I can win with SS's, and it is very expensive for the size. However, I am willing to pay that for a HG sunscreen!


Sorry (old brain!!), I meant I have used devita (and still do) but next on my list is pratima.

are you worried about the uncoated issue? I dont really understand coated v.s. uncoated except they both have their negatives

Devita is good for me at the moment, although it does sting my eyes sometimes

_________________
Nuttyemma on skincare.boards.net
RussianSunshine
VIP Member
20% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 2155
Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:02 pm      Reply with quote
Since I don't want anything more or less moisturizing than Devita, I will stick with it for now!

I'll be glad to hear your review of the Suntegrity BB cream! I hope the essential oils will not elevate your redness though.

rileygirl wrote:
RussianSunshine wrote:


And what do you wear on other days, riley? Shock Pratima? Is Pratima less or more moisturizing than Devita?


Yes, the Pratima daily. I think the Pratima is definitely more moisturizing for my skin, but it also has a much heavier feel that the Devita if that makes sense.

I actually just ordered the Suntegrity BB cream, so I'll do an initial review of that once I receive it and give it a try!
ShastaGirl
VIP Member
20% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Posts: 1001
Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:07 pm      Reply with quote
I've used MVO Moisturizing Face Screen, Pratima and Devita. My skin is normal, slightly dry, fair.

I found that I got color when using Devita on sunny days. Pratima has the nicest "feel" IMHO. I find myself reaching for this one more and more often.

I like the MVO Face Screen. Have not tried the Everyday version. It doubles as a foundation for me, so I wear it on work days. It is very matte, I think the "moisturizing" name is misleading. If you have any flakies (like from retin A) they will show. Good exfoliation or a light oil as suggested would help. Expensive.

If I had to narrow my choice down to one.....I'd pick the Pratima face version.

Suntegrity and Osmosis are my list to try, but need to use up what I have first. Riley - I'll look forward to hearing your opinion on the Suntegrity.
rileygirl
VIP Member
20% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 9519
Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:27 pm      Reply with quote
RussianSunshine wrote:


I'll be glad to hear your review of the Suntegrity BB cream! I hope the essential oils will not elevate your redness though.



I don't think there are any essential oils in the BB cream, RussianSunshine. At least I did not see any in the ingredient list!
RussianSunshine
VIP Member
20% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Posts: 2155
Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:07 pm      Reply with quote
rileygirl wrote:
I don't think there are any essential oils in the BB cream, RussianSunshine. At least I did not see any in the ingredient list!


Yep, you are right!
Judy Chen
Preferred Member
15% products discount
free skin care

View user's profileSend private message
Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Posts: 475
Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:41 am      Reply with quote
It's very informative to get into this topic. I did not know this before, but learn a lot from these generous sharing here.
System
Automatic Message
Thu May 29, 2025 6:16 am
If this is your first visit to the EDS Forums please take the time to register. Registration is required for you to post on the forums. Registration will also give you the ability to track messages of interest, send private messages to other users, participate in Gift Certificates draws and enjoy automatic discounts for shopping at our online store. Registration is free and takes just a few seconds to complete.

Click Here to join our community.

If you are already a registered member on the forums, please login to gain full access to the site.

Reply to topic



PSF Pure Skin Formulations Retinol Nano Lotion (30 ml / 1 floz) Osea Seabiotic® Water Cream (47.3 g / 1.6 oz) Dr Dennis Gross Vitamin C Lactic Oil-Free Radiant Moisturizer (50 ml / 1.7 floz)



Shop at Essential Day Spa

©1983-2025 Essential Day Spa & Skin Care Store |  Forum Index |  Site Index |  Product Index |  Newest TOPICS RSS feed  |  Newest POSTS RSS feed


Advanced Skin Technology |  Ageless Secret |  Ahava |  AlphaDerma |  Amazing Cosmetics |  Amino Genesis |  Anthony |  Aromatherapy Associates |  Astara |  B Kamins |  Babor |  Barielle |  Benir Beauty |  Billion Dollar Brows |  Bioelements |  Blinc |  Bremenn Clinical |  Caudalie |  Cellcosmet |  Cellex-C |  Cellular Skin Rx |  Clarisonic |  Clark's Botanicals |  Comodynes |  Coola |  Cosmedix |  DDF |  Dermalogica |  Dermasuri |  Dermatix |  DeVita |  Donell |  Dr Dennis Gross |  Dr Hauschka |  Dr Renaud |  Dremu Oil |  EmerginC |  Eminence Organics |  Fake Bake |  Furlesse |  Fusion Beauty |  Gehwol |  Glo Skin Beauty |  GlyMed Plus |  Go Smile |  Grandpa's |  Green Cream |  Hue Cosmetics |  HydroPeptide |  Hylexin |  Institut Esthederm |  IS Clinical |  Jan Marini |  Janson-Beckett |  Juara |  Juice Beauty |  Julie Hewett |  June Jacobs |  Juvena |  KaplanMD |  Karin Herzog |  Kimberly Sayer |  Lifeline |  Luzern |  M.A.D Skincare |  Mary Cohr |  Me Power |  Nailtiques |  Neurotris |  Nia24 |  NuFace |  Obagi |  Orlane |  Osea |  Osmotics |  Payot |  PCA Skin® |  Personal MicroDerm |  Peter Thomas Roth |  Pevonia |  PFB Vanish |  pH Advantage |  Phyto |  Phyto-C |  Phytomer |  Princereigns |  Priori |  Pro-Derm |  PSF Pure Skin Formulations |  RapidLash |  Raquel Welch |  RejudiCare Synergy |  Revale Skin |  Revision Skincare |  RevitaLash |  Rosebud |  Russell Organics |  Shira |  Silver Miracles |  Sjal |  Skeyndor |  Skin Biology |  Skin Source |  Skincerity / Nucerity |  Sothys |  St. Tropez |  StriVectin |  Suki |  Sundari |  Swissline |  Tend Skin |  Thalgo |  Tweezerman |  Valmont |  Vie Collection |  Vivier |  Yonka |  Yu-Be |  --Discontinued |