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Fri May 11, 2012 7:47 am  |
| DrJ wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Hi Dr. J - I'm sure you don't mind answering this:
I pulled this statement from above:
As I teach here and at BFT, Do you mind telling us where is "here" that you teach? I assume this information above is extracted from another source (cut and paste) and wasn't edited. It comes off as odd so I had to ask. As Bethany stated in another thread your responses sound like multiple people at times. Thanks. |
Here = EDS. There is only one of me. |
He did clarify the following on the AnteAGE thread, which I personally felt comfortable with.
| DrJ wrote: |
I personally respond to posts on the forum with my name. I do have people who watch for things and sometimes they might fail to consider a question. Sorry about that. And sometimes I dictate an answer and someone transcribes and posts for me. Just to help me manage my time. But every word, good or bad, is my own. And, if I get PM's or e-mails that are customer service issues I will usually forward those and somebody from that department answers -- they are supposed to sign their own name like "Sheila for DrJ."
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Fri May 11, 2012 7:58 am |
| So we're back in school here? |
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Fri May 11, 2012 8:01 am |
| Lotusesther wrote: |
| So we're back in school here? |
My thought exactly!  |
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Fri May 11, 2012 9:34 am |
Reply to Dr Johnson:
Yes, I appreciate the confusion here. I cannot give you specifics on the actual process we use to imprint the radio frequencies on the water (as it is proprietary) but I can explain my view of how it works. Please understand that I do not profess to be an expert in molecular physics or even frequency medicine. I am a general practice physician who took a remarkable technology and, utilizing the research and insight of others along with my own insight, created the formulas for the Harmonized Water products.
While you are not a physicist, chemist, or specialist in any of this, we will hold you to the standard of one thoroughly trained in the scientific method, which is the basis of modern medicine. Which means we would like to see data, resulting from measurements, in reasonably constructed experiments, driven by scientific logic, such that another scientist could replicate those experiments. This has been around for many years – it’s not brand new awaiting publication in a journal. Absent that basic standard, we cannot make scientific claims, because it then is not science as we know it – it is wishful thinking cloaked in science sounding terms.
My understanding of what is occurring at the molecular level of water is that the frequencies are being imprinted by a radio-frequency generator (and other devices) which result in the water acting as a carrier without any change to the chemical obonds themselves and without an ongoing excited state. While the H2O molecule itself gets excited in the process, I would agree that it recalibrates in milliseconds.
Actually it’s even faster - femtoseconds.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v434/n7030/full/nature03383.html#B16
We are now taking about the nuclear chemistry of water, a small molecule. Like any other molecule, water can be excited by applying energy, whether in the RF spectrum or as simple as heat (e.g. water boiling). You state that water excited by RF energy recalibrates in milliseconds (it’s actually femtoseconds) but then retains those “frequencies”. Where is that information stored? A frequency is the period of an energy wave. Are you saying that the water molecule thus imprinted is emitting energy waves? If so, where does that energy come from (since you admit the excitation state, from external energy, no longer exists). Or, do you mean to imply that the “memory” is something else, like digital 1’s and 0’s in a computer memory chip? Either way, are you then claiming that this water molecule (or collection of same) is emitting those same frequencies? If so, where is the energy coming from (keeping in mind the basic physics of conservation of energy - something else has to change in that water if it is giving up some of its potential energy. What are these changes?
However, it is my contention that the frequencies remain within the water molecule after the structure itself is no longer excited and our own testing suggests that they remain at least 5 years.
How did we test the presence of frequencies? We have yet to find a device that can read or show their presence, unfortunately. However, we sent our anti-bacterial frequency enhanced water to a lab that uses a specific process to test it. They have proven that it is anti-bacterial and have also proven that it is still anti-bacterial 5 years later.
A Fourier transform spectrometer. Infrared or any other part of the RF spectrum.
I may need to take issue with your building a theory and selling products based on something you say you guess is there, but cannot measure. That is not the scientific method by any stretch of the imagination, and I am sure you would want to join me in decrying the evils of pseudoscience. Especially since harm can be done if the theories are wrong. We as physicians take an oath of “First, do no harm.” I don’t have enough information to judge your technology as to where it falls on the spectrum of good-bad science, and we may disagree on interpretation of facts. Not uncommon in science. But I would like for us to at least agree about the importance of adhering to some reasonable intellectual, and ethical, standard of science and medicine, even if we haven’t completely defined what that is.
How are the bacteria killed by the water? Bacteria are easy to see under the microscope, so this should be observable with basic laboratory equipment. Is it cell wall lysis, or some other mechanism?
This concept is supported by the images that Dr Imoto has captured showing changes to the molecular shape of water. I believe those images of distorted molecules indicate that toxins, which are frequencies at their core (to be discussed) or the frequency imprint of those toxins, appear to remain in the molecule if there is a long continuous exposure of toxins (like a polluted lake, etc). The toxic water is still water and appears to be water, but his photographs of the shape of the molecules indicate that water holds its bonds but distorts its shape depending on the frequencies present. I assume that our Harmonized Water might have some varying shapes in the same testing environment but we have not asked him to take those pictures for us.
I know about water cluster experiments, is that what you are referring to? You cite Masaru Emoto, which I find troubling. He is best known for his claims that human consciousness has an effect on the molecular structure of water. “Emoto's work is widely considered pseudoscience by professionals, and he is criticized for going directly to the public with misleading claims that violate basic physics, based on methods that fail to properly investigate the truth of the claims. I hope you agree that "mind over matter" is about as scientifically untenable as it gets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto
He has been so widely discredited that any data he may have published would have to be immediately suspect.
I am aware that there have been a handful of tests done on varying molecular structures where they have temporarily been able to retain information (frequencies) on certain substances. The emphasis being on "temporarily". My partner figured out a method to make that information stay for a very long time.
Allow me to ask how it is that you have been able to “make that information stay for a very long time”. I am guessing your method for changing water is not by merely thinking (or intending) it. Are there patents or applications in the works (you have been at this for many years).
The other important aspect of my approach here is the concept of the body being an elaborate collection of many trillions of frequencies. NASA data has identified the frequencies for the atomic table as well as many substances found in nature (I have seen the list), quantum physicists and a growing number of researchers are aligned on the view that everything in nature and in our body has a distinct frequency signature.
You are talking about radiospectroscopy. Yes, every element in nature has resonant frequencies. That’s how you can tell what a distant planet or star is made of without going there. Nuclear magnetic resonance is great example of how to harness that to medical benefit. Our bodies are made up of many different types of atoms, however. Water is only hydrogen and oxygen.
Changes to cell structures are likely the result of changed frequencies. We are attempting to neutralize certain frequencies and enhance others in the formulas we provide to improve the well being of many.
The leap you make here is from atoms to cells and tissues. Since cells have many atoms assembled into many chemicals, there is no inherent “frequency” to a cell. There is no synchrony between excited waves, unless you are a specialized cell whose job is to make electrochemical connections. But those are energy consuming, and occur at a macromolecular level, not an atomic one.
What inherent “frequencies” are you trying to modify? Cellular, tissue, molecular, atomic, or what? (hopefully not brain waves or heart rhythms). How would water, if it were emitting RF, affect these purported body frequencies? Can you describe a mechanism or sequence of physiological events, please?
As to whether or not the water is emitting a frequency, it is, as are all things in nature. I can only assume that when the water has been modified by our proprietary process it emits all of the frequencies we have imprinted as well. Again, I would love to meet someone who has a device to measure this.
Fair enough, but I still have this heartburn about making all these claims before meeting someone who can measure this.
It is my understanding that NASA has such a device but nothing seems to be available to the consumer. Hopefully your device can. Can water emit more than one frequency and stay stable? Using the same assumptions that every atomic component has its own distinct vibration, then water already emits a multitude of frequencies that can also be measured as the resonant frequency and so a few more do not seem implausible to me. I imagine you see the emissions from things in nature as electromagnetic "radiation". But what is radiation comprised of? My answer is many specfic, unique frequencies generated by the many subatomic “parts” of the body as well as the resonant frequencies of larger tissues like organs.
If a group of water molecules is emitting energy at the same (imprinted) frequency, it can be measured. Remember what harmonics means. If you send out a lot of small vibrations at the same frequency you get what? – A wave! All you need is a high gain RF antenna. There are different types, probably a focused beam antenna. The math is easy, just calculate up the moles of water, and you have a measure per molecule (or even per hydrogen bond or proton or whatever).
I believe you misunderstand the term “resonant frequencies”. It is an atom to atom phenomena. Exite one atom, it vibrates in response, and its vibration can be masured (e.g. MREI) and may excite its neighbors. And there are no subatomic body parts, onlyh subatomic atom parts. Massively different scale.
I would be happy to send you some of the water. The frequencies we use are proprietary and scrambling waves have been added to protect that, but I could send you a water treated with say 10hz and hopefully your device can read it.
If it’s there it can be detected.
Can you tell me the name of the device you have? If you are unable to detect the frequencies of cells, perhaps because each cell is billions and/or trillions of individual frequencies, then I am not sure the device is going to get the job done with my water either. But test it we shall!
High gain antenna. Simple digital circuitry. I will pass this on to an RF engineer and he will give us more details. If we need to , we can get university access to a SQUID ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQUID ). Again, if it is there - it can be measured. Not all that complicated. We are talking radio waves.
As for information regarding the specifics of my belief that everything has a vibrational signature, I will start the pursuit to gather sources over the coming weeks. I tend to read a lot and do not necessarily keep the information or the source...it is a bad habit ☺
Look forward to some sources. Would be helpful.
However, I am confident that if you start by looking at the papers relating to Super String Theory and other related material you will find what you are looking for. I guess I also chalk it up to common sense that we know that we all emit energy/radiation, we can measure our mV's and our brain waves, etc. and I assume that this radiation is comprised of a multitude of wavelengths. The other option is that we emit random wavelengths with no purpose. The latter seems far more unlikely to me since the human body is miraculous in its complexity.
Again, let us not cconfuse cellular level events (e.g. brain waves, resulting from confluence of waves of ionic discharges along specialized cell membranes, which BTW is not RF but electrochemical). But, the principle of measuring waves to know what is going on with individual cells is right on! That is exactly what we will do to see if your water emits any signature. If the molecules are emitting at the same “imprinted frequency” we can measure it. The more water, the easier it is to measure.
Please send me your address in a private message and we can go from there.
Done.
At some point we need to address safety issues. RF emissions can cause harm. If there is water that emits at a specific frequency as you state, then that energy has to be absorbed somewhere, and it can do things like heat tissues, cause DNA mutations, that sort of thing. I would worry about the eye – vitreous is mainly water, and it is very sensitive to heat and radiation. |
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Fri May 11, 2012 10:20 am |
Well that's put him in his place dr J, and scared the living daylights out of everyone who wants to try osmosis for fear their eyeballs get cooked!
Dr Johnson: I am not a fan of dr Emoto. But what you say in your post seems to me to be related to homeopathic preparations. Am I correct in that? The energy imprint in the water?
(And even though I don't scientifically know how homeopathic medicine works, and research seems to say it can't work, I have witnessed it work marvelously in humans and animals. Well, it was only recently that it was discovered HOW aspirin works, even though people have been using it with good results for ages, and before that used willowbark). |
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Fri May 11, 2012 10:23 am |
| Ben Johnson, MD wrote: |
Please send me your address in a private message and we can go from there. |
Dr Johnson, I PM'd you with our university lab address. Michael, my research associate is aware, and will let me know when the material arrives. Thanks. |
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Fri May 11, 2012 10:31 am |
| As an aside, I personally do learn from Dr. J, so I think he does "teach" some of us at EDS and BFT. Not all education happens in a formal setting (ie: a classroom). |
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Fri May 11, 2012 1:00 pm |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
| As an aside, I personally do learn from Dr. J, so I think he does "teach" some of us at EDS and BFT. Not all education happens in a formal setting (ie: a classroom). |
I think in a way we are all teaching each other. But, Dr. J is so knowledgable and does a lot of teaching about science that can be considered to be a professor. |
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Fri May 11, 2012 5:10 pm |
| Does everyone remember my post on the Ageless Secret thread when I spoke to Dr. Karl Kruszelnicki (an eminent scientist in Australia) on the radio about harmonized waters? He also stated that the work of Masaru Emoto has been widely condemned by the scientific community. His photos, particularly, were all shown to be bogus and fake. I'm surprised that Dr. Johnson is still a proponent of this man's work. |
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Fri May 11, 2012 6:18 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Does everyone remember my post on the Ageless Secret thread when I spoke to Dr. Karl Kruszelnicki (an eminent scientist in Australia) on the radio about harmonized waters? He also stated that the work of Masaru Emoto has been widely condemned by the scientific community. His photos, particularly, were all shown to be bogus and fake. I'm surprised that Dr. Johnson is still a proponent of this man's work. |
It doesn't look like he may have had to mention him before now, since he appears to take full credit for creating 30 different types of water.  (I think they are actively selling 18 right now per their website.)
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I was able to develop Harmonized H20 using a combination of groundbreaking technologies. We can determine the frequency of any substance in nature, which allows us to create specific frequency remedies for many conditions. We have also discovered through years of research how to permanently imprint vibrational frequencies onto water molecules enabling us to communicate easily with cells in the body. There are several formulas available that address a wide variety of ailments, including fatigue, depression, acne, rosacea, allergies, sun protection, nail strength, hair loss and sleep deprivation.
http://www.osmosisskincare.com/Research/Dr_Johnsons_Corner_January_2012.aspx
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Harmonized Water contains several revolutionary breakthroughs to achieve its success. It helps to balance tissue disharmonies by delivering medicinal radio frequencies to the cells in the form of water. The frequencies we use have been determined by a proprietary math formula (huge breakthrough!) that allows us to reverse engineer most substances to determine what their actual vibrational rate is. We then imprint these frequencies on water molecules through yet another remarkable leap in technology. What we are doing has never before been accomplished. We can impact the cell with a language that is better recognized and more specific than the frequencies released by many drugs. Drinking Harmonized Water results in a modification to the “toxic filter” which allows healthy cellular activity to return. It provides harmony to a disorganized section of anatomy but does not change cells operating in harmony already. It can maximize healthy activity and reduce disharmonic vibrations in a variety of physiologic abnormalities in the body. It is for this reason that there are rarely, if any, side effects.
We have shown we can help most cases of eczema, most cases of psoriasis, altitude sickness, MS, arthritis, obesity. We can grow hair, kill viruses, fungi and bacteria as well as help poor sleep patterns and hormone irregularities. We can enhance athletic performance and improve focus and energy. It is likely that we can have an impact on most health conditions including chronic and deadly diseases. However, to be clear, we are not claiming that Harmonized Water is a medicine. After all, it is just water. We are not claiming that Harmonized Water cures diseases, because that is a drug claim and HW is not a drug. We are saying that Harmonized Water balances cellular disharmonies and, as a result, the body may heal itself.
There are several things that create the realization that we are working with something special:
1.It usually takes just a capful (20ml) of water twice a day to create the positive effects
2.We have over 30 formulas (and we are just scratching the surface) that address a wide variety of ailments and our initial results suggest a 75% success rate (compared to drug companies average of 30%)
3.You cannot overdose or make yourself sick from our formulas and they essentially have no side effects
Harmonized Water is not just about neutralizing imbalanced frequencies. We can also add frequencies that result in improvements to mood, energy, sleep, etc. We do this by mimicking (reverse engineering the vibrational rate) important hormones and proteins within the body. The possibilities are endless and we look forward to verifying our results in double-blind, placebo controlled studies in the near future.
http://www.osmosisskincare.com/Research/AboutHarmonizedWater.aspx
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Some before and after photos of either psoriasis or eczema (I am not sure which, or maybe something else?)
http://www.osmosisskincare.com/App_Themes/Osmosis/images/Web/HW-Before-and-After.pdf |
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Sat May 12, 2012 6:32 am |
| So, is Ageless Secret Gold made with this harmonized water? Or are we talking about two different things here,,, Osmosis and ASG? |
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Sat May 12, 2012 6:46 am |
| leeleedeedee wrote: |
| So, is Ageless Secret Gold made with this harmonized water? Or are we talking about two different things here,,, Osmosis and ASG? |
They are the same thing - also known as structured water and energised water. |
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Sat May 12, 2012 7:45 am |
Thank you, Kelieu. I wasn't sure because ASG talks about this "dark energy." I couldn't make the connection between dark energy and structured water. My brain lags behind everyone elses on this forum.  |
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Sat May 12, 2012 10:27 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
| leeleedeedee wrote: |
| So, is Ageless Secret Gold made with this harmonized water? Or are we talking about two different things here,,, Osmosis and ASG? |
They are the same thing - also known as structured water and energised water. |
This is a totally brilliant site written by Stephen Lower, a retired faculty member of the Dept of Chemistry, Simon Fraser University, B.C. Canada. A fellow Canuck and quackbuster.
http://www.chem1.com/CQ/clusqk.html
It covers everything you need to know about water quackery, the key players, etc. A terrific read. |
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Sat May 12, 2012 11:26 am |
Thank you, Dr.J for the link above to an incredibly interesting article. What's more fascinating is that I understood it 
However, all joking aside it truly is the information I need in order to make informed decisions regarding the products I purchase. |
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Sat May 12, 2012 11:38 am |
| DrJ wrote: |
This is a totally brilliant site written by Stephen Lower, a retired faculty member of the Dept of Chemistry, Simon Fraser University, B.C. Canada. A fellow Canuck and quackbuster.
http://www.chem1.com/CQ/clusqk.html
It covers everything you need to know about water quackery, the key players, etc. A terrific read. |
Yes, that is the website I originally found and posted on the Ageless Secret thread. Actually there are a lot of scientific references to water scams posted on that thread. Keliu took it further, and directly contacted at least 3 scientists from around the world (US, England, Canada, Australia) and the consensus was don't believe what those quack websites are saying ... the science is impossible. Stephen Barrett over at QuackWatch also provides good information.
Here is what Dr. Lower had to say in response to an e-mail that Keliu sent to him regarding Ageless Secret:
Thank you for your note. This appears to be a typical quackery scam. There is no such thing as "dark energy" outside the field of astronomy. Bubble-wrap is transparent to X-radiation, which will not damage ordinary substances anyway. The page http://www.agelesssecret.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=129&Itemid=219 that describes "the expansion of water" is nonsense; I suspect he is adding some liquid other than water, possibly alcohol, which would show the same effect. Of course I have no idea whether this substance does erase wrinkles. As to the fiction of "anti-ageing" nostrums, please see http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-truth-about-human-agi. (I have always admired individuals who age gracefully and don't try to hide it!)
Promotions of these kinds are designed to appeal to the vast majority of consumers whose inadequate background in science leaves them open to evangelistic sales pitches that are typically full of misleading statements and unverifiable "case histories". People who waste their money on these scams are in effect paying a tax on scientific ignorance.
I suspect that much of the appeal of pseudoscience and quackery is that they provide simplistic answers that give scientifically-naïve people the illusion of control and understanding of what they perceive as an impossibly complex and overwhelming world. The low standard of North American science education and the "powerful strain of intertwined ignorance, anti-rationalism and anti-intellectualism" that Susan Jacoby describes in her book "The Age of American Unreason" can only encourage the aggressive marketing of commercial and intellectual snake oils of all kinds. Especially egregious are those who prey on individuals who are dealing with the emotional trauma of a life-threatening disease.
In contrast to the very weak evidence for the efficacy of most "alternative" remedies, there is abundant documented evidence for the benefits of getting plenty of exercise, a healthy diet, freedom from stress, and engagement in fulfilling creative, social or spiritual activities. Unfortunately, many commercial interests would like people to believe that it's easier to simply take some magical nostrum!
But some people believe what they want to believe. Consumer beware! |
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Sat May 12, 2012 12:14 pm |
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Promotions of these kinds are designed to appeal to the vast majority of consumers whose inadequate background in science leaves them open to evangelistic sales pitches that are typically full of misleading statements and unverifiable "case histories". |
This is exactly what is sounds like the creators of harmonized water are - evangelists. It's like their belief in this water is a religous belief. I actually believe Dr. Johnson and the Ageless Secret people completely believe in their product but it sounds like they treat the water and the belief in it as some sort of religion. Like there is some kind of higher power that is helping to energize the water. And they're preaching this mystical belief to people in order to get them to follow them ( and buy the product). There is no science behind the products, it is a religion. |
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Sat May 12, 2012 12:46 pm |
| I hope Dr. Johnson comes back. He has been around EDS before, right? Is he usually prompt in following up on questions? |
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Sat May 12, 2012 12:52 pm |
| DrJ wrote: |
| I hope Dr. Johnson comes back. He has been around EDS before, right? Is he usually prompt in following up on questions? |
He was here discussing the Osmosis skin care line, I don't recall him delving into his Harmonized Waters? I may be wrong but that is what I remember. |
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Sat May 12, 2012 1:00 pm |
| DrJ wrote: |
| I hope Dr. Johnson comes back. He has been around EDS before, right? Is he usually prompt in following up on questions? |
He has not had the warmest reception here in the past, so I'm not sure it will be high on his priority list. |
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Sat May 12, 2012 4:45 pm |
If Dr. Johnson does return, I would really like to know how much input he actually has in the development of his products. The Osmosis products are sold here in Australia under two different doctor's names (unfortunately I have lost the links to those products). However, I know they are the same line because each product contains the exact same ingredients as the Osmosis products.
Obviously, it is common for identical products to be marketed under different brand names - but in the case of these three product lines, the doctors (whose name is on the product) all claim to have developed the line. Therefore, I would like to know whether Dr. Johnson merely buys the product and has it packaged under his name, or whether he is actually physically involved in the research and development of the products. |
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Sat May 12, 2012 4:47 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| DrJ wrote: |
| I hope Dr. Johnson comes back. He has been around EDS before, right? Is he usually prompt in following up on questions? |
He was here discussing the Osmosis skin care line, I don't recall him delving into his Harmonized Waters? I may be wrong but that is what I remember. |
He responded on Page 1 of this thread - it is the second post after Lacy's. |
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Sat May 12, 2012 4:51 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| DrJ wrote: |
| I hope Dr. Johnson comes back. He has been around EDS before, right? Is he usually prompt in following up on questions? |
He was here discussing the Osmosis skin care line, I don't recall him delving into his Harmonized Waters? I may be wrong but that is what I remember. |
He responded on Page 1 of this thread - it is the second post after Lacy's. |
Sorry,
I should have been clearer I was referring to the two Osmosis threads from a while back. |
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Sat May 12, 2012 8:20 pm |
It is a shame that Dr Johnson does not visit this forum often as I always enjoyed reading his posts. From my own knowledge about skincare ingredients and the function of the skin, his posts always made sense to me and seemed to be based in fact.
I know he got some negative comments as people felt he was biased, so I dont really blame him for not returning.
People really should be more gracious when people of Dr Johnson's calibre visit the forum and share their insights. My mother taught me: "If you havent got anything nice to say, dont say it at all." I try my best to adhere to this wisdom.
I know it is wise to question everything and not just take another persons word for it, but we have this fantastic thing called the internet and therefore we are able to look up an awful lot of information and do the research ourselves - but it would appear that a lot of people are simply lazy and would prefer everything spoon-fed to them. Me, I personally love researching and finding as much information I can independently and then comparing and verifying against another persons word. 
As for harmonized waters, I havent had a chance to give them a go myself, but if I'm gonna be a guinea pig I'd rather try the Osmosis waters than ASG - as the ASG is extremely expensive. I know plenty of people on EDS love ASG and I figure "whatever works for you - stick with it!" We're all different so different things work for different people.  |
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Sat May 12, 2012 8:36 pm |
| Glamcat wrote: |
It is a shame that Dr Johnson does not visit this forum often as I always enjoyed reading his posts. From my own knowledge about skincare ingredients and the function of the skin, his posts always made sense to me and seemed to be based in fact.
I know he got some negative comments as people felt he was biased, so I dont really blame him for not returning.
People really should be more gracious when people of Dr Johnson's calibre visit the forum and share their insights. My mother taught me: "If you havent got anything nice to say, dont say it at all." I try my best to adhere to this wisdom. |
To my knowledge no-one has been outright rude to Dr. Johnson - and EVERYONE appreciates it when manufacturers come on the forum to answer specific questions about their products.
But surely, when a product is so "suspect" people have a right to question the science behind it. I will never say anything "nice" about harmonized waters - but that is in no way meant to be interpreted as my being rude to Dr. Johnson.
If we strongly disagree with something - are we meant to just "shut up and put up" just for the sake of being polite? That makes no sense to me. Knowledge is power - and we all have the right to ask questions. And if I were you, I would really be asking Dr. Johnson some pertinent questions before you give him your money for a bottle of water. |
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