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Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:35 pm  |
| erg wrote: |
Does anyone know when this will be available for purchase?
Dionie - is you skin prone to breakouts at all? Or does it take you awhile for your skin to adjust to new products? Thanks for your feedback.
I want to use Vitamin A (and this product), but am a little hesitant as Retin-A wrecked my skin. Took a year to recover from the redness. I am hoping more people who took advantage of the offer can chime in!  |
Hi erg, I was curious about when the retinol serum would be available on the website so I called the store. They expect to have it up on the web within the next week. However, you can buy it now from their retail store. If you call them at 415.384.8492 they can probably send it out to you. HTH |
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Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:42 pm |
I just wanted to let everyone know that the new Pacific retinol serum, as well as all of the other new Pacific products, is now available on the MVO website. I'm really excited about all the new products and plan to give some of the others a try http://www.mvorganics.com/pages/new-improved
For those of you who were concerned about the Vitamin C capsules because they also contain niacinamide and because they can be gritty, Marie has replaced the niacinamide with Ferulic Acid and the new formula is no longer gritty. I can't wait to try the new capsules. |
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:09 am |
| anybody still using or startedto use these products - just wondered on any updates? |
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:37 am |
| I have been using the retinol serum 4 times a week since June 2012 and I love it! I also use the Pacific oil and serum in the morning and the Anti-Age+ oil at night before I put on the retinol serum and I love them! I did not care for the cleansers or the sunscreen from this line but everything else I have tried is great! The Pacific mist is good too. My skin has never looked better. |
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:51 pm |
Hi jom
what is the retinol serum called. and which pacific oil and serum in the morning. I see they have quite a few? many thanks |
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:17 pm |
| Hi Jom- are you still using the Vit C capsules and do you like them? Thanks. Plus it's good to see you around EDS again. |
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:22 pm |
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| I'm interested in knowing why she recommends applying an oil before the serums - usually it's the other way around as oils form an occlusive barrier which prevents the absorption of products that contain water. For that reason it's the norm to apply oils last. |
Its the principle of Thinnest to Thickest I think. If this is a thick "serum" then applying a thinner oil first would work best.
I dislike this product because of a few things:
• Teprenone has already been de-bunked somewhere else as completely useless as a skin care ingredient. Just because it works as an anti-ulcer medication doesnt translate into lengthening telomeres topically.
• She uses pre-made mixes with acrylates in them which arent in keeping with the "natural" theme she espouses. I pass. |
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:01 pm |
| CookieD wrote: |
| Hi Jom- are you still using the Vit C capsules and do you like them? Thanks. Plus it's good to see you around EDS again. |
Hi Cookie - nice "talking" with you again too. I no longer use the capsules. I went back to the Skinceuticals CE Ferulic. It's better value-wise. The capsules are a bit pricey - she went up on the price. Also the amount in each capsule was inconsistent. Sometimes it was completely full and sometimes it was completely empty. MVO says they put more capsules in the jar than what is stated on the package to account for the difference (I never counted). I used to mix the capsules with the retinol serum. Marie says this is OK because the Vitamin C is fresh and can't oxidize before you're able to put it on your skin. It did brighten my skin. I've been meaning to start dermarolling (I keep procrastinating about it). I was thinking I would get some of the capsules to mix with the retinol serum and apply that after a roll. I don't know when (or if) I'll actually get around to trying that. My skin tolerated the mixture well. |
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:03 pm |
| fawnie wrote: |
| Keliu wrote: |
| I'm interested in knowing why she recommends applying an oil before the serums - usually it's the other way around as oils form an occlusive barrier which prevents the absorption of products that contain water. For that reason it's the norm to apply oils last. |
Its the principle of Thinnest to Thickest I think. If this is a thick "serum" then applying a thinner oil first would work best.
I dislike this product because of a few things:
• Teprenone has already been de-bunked somewhere else as completely useless as a skin care ingredient. Just because it works as an anti-ulcer medication doesnt translate into lengthening telomeres topically.
• She uses pre-made mixes with acrylates in them which arent in keeping with the "natural" theme she espouses. I pass. |
In which product does she use teprenone? I never noticed that. I did a search on her website and did not find any results with that keyword.
And here's what Marie says about product application
http://www.mvorganics.com/blogs/mvo/7549788-skincare-product-application-does-order-matter |
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:40 pm |
| fawnie wrote: |
| Keliu wrote: |
| I'm interested in knowing why she recommends applying an oil before the serums - usually it's the other way around as oils form an occlusive barrier which prevents the absorption of products that contain water. For that reason it's the norm to apply oils last. |
Its the principle of Thinnest to Thickest I think. If this is a thick "serum" then applying a thinner oil first would work best.
I dislike this product because of a few things:
• Teprenone has already been de-bunked somewhere else as completely useless as a skin care ingredient. Just because it works as an anti-ulcer medication doesnt translate into lengthening telomeres topically.
• She uses pre-made mixes with acrylates in them which arent in keeping with the "natural" theme she espouses. I pass. |
ON her site she actually says the opposite of what I've believed and what Keliu stated. She says that creams and lotions are more occlusive - due to wax, water emulsions.
She says oils are deeply penetrative and it doesn't matter whether you use serums or oils first.
I'm still stuck on the pre-made acrylates mixes. Kind of creeps me out. |
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:49 am |
What she's saying defies logic to me. An oil is occlusive - full stop. Doesn't matter whether it's thick or thin - oil and water don't mix. Not sure about creams containing wax but they may contain an oil. If they do, they will also contain an emulsifier to bind the two together - because, as we know, oil and water don't mix.
There's no point in applying an oil first because it is occlusive, it will mean anything placed over the top of it will be blocked. Much better to apply the serum or cream and then the oil. This is standard practice. |
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:25 am |
Ingredients of Night Serum: Camellia sinensis (green tea)*, citrus aurantium (neroli) hydrosol, Pacific Marine Bioactive Peptides™ **, vitamin A emulsion [aqua (water), glycine soja (soybean) oil, retinol, cellulose gum, acrylates/C10-30 alkyl acrylate cross-polymer, chitosan], leuconostoc/radish root ferment (Leucidal***), glycerin (vegetable glycerine)*, populus tremuloides (aspen) bark extract, algae extract & sodium hyaluronate, saccharomyces ferment*, gluconolactone/sodium benzoate (Micro Guard***), coenzyme Q10, glucosamine, niacinamide, Noni/SOD/Resveratrol Microemulsion™, macrocystis pyrifera (sea kelp) extract, sodium alginate gel, mixed tocopherols (vitamin E)*, oat beta glucans, ceramide complex [ceramide 3, ceramide 6 II, ceramide 1, phytosphingosine, cholesterol, sodium lauroyl lactylate] , leontopodium alpinum (edelweiss) extract*, homeostatine [aqua (water), glycerin, enteromorpha compressa (linnaeus) extract], low weight sodium hyaluronate, tamarindus indica (tamarind) seed extract, camellia sinensis (white tea) extract*, magnesium ascorbyl phosphate (vitamin C), retinyl palmitate (retinol), teprenone [caprylic/capric triglyceride, teprenone (geranylgeranone GGA) in a lipophilic solvent], cholecalciferol (vitamin D3), xanthan gum, glycan booster [tetradecyl amino-butyroylvalyl-aminobutyric urea trifluoroacetate, magnesium chloride, glycerin], glycoproteins, , tripeptide-29, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, palmitoyl tripeptide-5
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** made with all natural marine ingredients
*** Ecocert, paraben-free anti-microbial agents
Teprenone and acrylates bolded mine. What is "all natural" about acrylates???
The principle of cream over oil is what OSEA recs also and it works for me! YMMV tho. |
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:10 pm |
| fawnie wrote: |
The principle of cream over oil is what OSEA recs also and it works for me! YMMV tho. |
I believe Marie-Veronique knows her stuff about application and I'm sure the woman from OSEA does also. This adds a new element to the whole idea of product application.
Come to think of it when I put oils on they don't lay there in a 'slick' (I'm oily so maybe in my case like-attracts-like so the oils absorb easily)... No matter: there's something to the thought process/outcome. Leaders in the field wouldn't advocate such things without rationale.
In my case - I had always 'heard' and took as expert advice that oils always came last - after creams.
I would still put a *watery* serum on before an oil though. |
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:11 pm |
| Depends on the relative "thickness" of each product I think. There are thick oils (like avocado) and thin creams. Viscosity counts. And if there are waxy substances in the creams that would def be occlusive. |
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:33 pm |
| Yes that all makes perfect sense. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:32 am |
This is from another thread on the subject:
This is why oils get applied last - to lock in the moisturiser. However, Dr. Pickart states that oils are also a "pusher" - which is another reason to apply them last - they push the product applied first into the skin. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:27 am |
| This has just come to mind - consider when you make a salad dressing. You pour in the oil then add the vinegar - the vinegar will simply sit on top of the oil, it will not sink through the oil. This is the same principle with applying a water based moisturiser or serum. If you apply the oil first, the serum will simply sit on top of the oil. This is basic chemistry. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:55 am |
If you apply oil on skin, then the surface energy of the skin becomes low; accordingly, water based cream or serum can hardly penetrate deeper.
If the cream is of oil based, then I believe that cream can mix with oil. |
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:19 am |
thanks Jom.
I will certainly be looking into getting one of the products to try. The pacific marine serum seems to be getting the most reviews online favourably! its a bit out of my price range at the moment but maybe I will treat myself for christmas...  |
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:56 pm |
| zizi wrote: |
thanks Jom.
I will certainly be looking into getting one of the products to try. The pacific marine serum seems to be getting the most reviews online favourably! its a bit out of my price range at the moment but maybe I will treat myself for christmas... |
Zizi, you should sign up to receive emails from the MVO website. I believe she usually has a friends and family discount sale around the holidays (20% off). Look for it sometime after Black Friday. |
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:35 am |
| fawnie wrote: |
| The principle of cream over oil is what OSEA recs also and it works for me! YMMV tho. |
This is what I do also.
| summer2004 wrote: |
If you apply oil on skin, then the surface energy of the skin becomes low; accordingly, water based cream or serum can hardly penetrate deeper.
If the cream is of oil based, then I believe that cream can mix with oil. |
Very interesting, summer. What do you mean by the "surface energy of the skin becomes low"? |
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Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:00 pm |
| For anyone interested in trying out any MVO products they are 20% off Monday Dec 2 only. Use the code CYBERMONDAY to get the discount. |
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Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:02 am |
THANKS JOM!
OMG - I done it - I pressed the purchase button, applied the code....purchased the marine treatment that is 375 dollars - got 75 dollars off plus free shipping...gulp! 
will give my feedback once i have tried and used the product for a while.
did i really need any more skincare????? 
its my christmas present to myself - i keep repeating..... |
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