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Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:11 pm  |
Exotic is making sense :"I kinda understand what you mean by age jumps, however I think what is really happening is that the cumulative effect of minor signs of aging all combine and finally becomes noticeable which makes you feel like you've aged overnight. "
Apart from obvious things like extreme fat loss and hormonal changes, I think the above is right. Since starting facial exercise and needling I've become more aware of the tiny *beginnings* of sag and wrinkles, and better able to work on them before they become a real problem. Until then I just thought "my face is fine if I just use sunscreen" and let things like little perioral lines develop, sneaking up on me!
I've posted it somewhere else: I need to keep on top of it.
Btw, if you're replacing the lost facial fat with muscle ensure you're doing resistance training and eating enough protein. |
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Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:59 am |
One of the anit-aging books I read discussed 'age spurts'. I thought it was a book by Braverman, but I did some searching on amazon and google books and could not find the reference.
I believe I have experienced age spurts myself, though I don't think what the OP experienced is really an age spurt, but as others have pointed out, likely due to a loss of fat from training.
I was thinking the author in question was Braverman, since he seems to have coined the term 'onchopause' - the sudden degradation of nail health due to aging. This happened to me a couple of years ago. Lots of vertical lines suddenly appeared (age 45). My hair started getting wiry at the same time, and all the other signs of aging ramped up. But the nails for me are something that I think are an obvious marker of some sort of tipping point being reached - hormones shutting down, regulatory genes being switched off (or perhaps on). |
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Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:05 am |
Age jumps - new to me but definitely ringing a few (alarm) bells. My ageing jumped at 34, 41 and now, 47 1/2. I have literally aged 5 years in 6 weeks. At each age jump, I improved my skincare routine, diet, life style but nothing could reverse the changes I saw. Psychologically, what upset me at 34 (changes in skin tone, lines around eyes) and 41 (appearance of NLs, frown lines), they weren't nearly as bad as what's happening now but I have to think that what will happen in 6-8 years time will be even worse - so I'll appreciate what I have today  |
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:26 pm |
I would agree with this- I looked relatively the same till I turned 34, then one day I looked in the mirror and barely recognized myself. It wasn't horrible, but it was like the last ten years just caught up with me in a couple weeks time. No change in wellness or habits.  |
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Late 30's, fair skin, dark hair. Retin A, DIY potions. Missions completed- acne, acne scarring, 11's, redness, contact dermatitis. Working on maintenence and cellulite. |
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Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:53 am |
I have these horrible light bulbs in the bathroom... I look all right in sunlight and other rooms but every time I brush my teeth a wave of depression washes over me...
Haha! My NYR for this year should be to change the light bulbs and stop focusing on the minutiae that is part of aging!  |
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Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:12 pm |
| I wish I had focused on the minutae 15 years ago and started all the work I'm having to do then (facial exercises and needling). I just thought everything was ok, but should have dealt with every tiny wrinkle and hint of sag the moment it first appeared. I think a harsh but honest look at ourselves in our 30s might be quite helpful. Also I wonder if starting vitamin C serum and Vitamin A back then would have prevented much of the skin aging I'm facing now. |
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Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:52 pm |
I guess it's a matter of opinion; what would have damaged your skin more, stressing yourself out over tiny wrinkles you couldn't necessarily control or doing nothing?
Personally, I know that stress can cause more damage in a single year than forgoing all skin care for close to a year.
I spent 8 years trying things and getting it all wrong, damaging my skin even more but how could I have known then what I know now? Regretting it and blaming myself won't help me.
Having a routine that works for you and being forgiving is all I really meant. (This is hard for me
to do but I'm trying!)
Happy (upcoming) New Year!  ) |
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Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:58 pm |
Yes, that's the balance to find with all achievements: being honest with ourselves without being punishingly harsh .
I do think that needling fine lines before they became deeper lines would have helped me.
You have a lovely New Year too. |
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Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:43 pm |
This is such an interesting thread! I love this idea of age jumps, although I too think it's a load of crap.  but it offers an explanation for those who've suffered with what seems like aging overnight. And us women need explanations to what's happening to us, otherwise this is all just way too much to handle! So I get it.
I'm a Paula's Choice junkie, and she wrote (I'm paraphrasing here) "aging is simply an accumulation of sun damage, stress and health over a period of many years". Again, very loose paraphrase as I can't remember exactly what she said. But that was the gist. So there may be some people who think they've experienced an age jump, where in reality they've accumulated enough skin damage where it started becoming noticeable. I know many women who look half their age in their mid-40s, and that's because they've been wearing sunscreen, eating well, and using good skin care products for half (or more) their lives. So I don't think it's a coincidence that those women have never experienced an "age jump". Just as it's no coincidence that other women think they age overnight when it's simply accumulation of other factors.
I'm no doctor nor expert. I just love skin care, and am trying to apply some logic.
To the OP- I don't think you went on your bike trip and then simultaneously experienced an "age jump". You depleted your skin somehow while on that trip. Please Keep us updated and let us know how you're doing! I hope things have recovered for you somewhat! |
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Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:27 am |
Sure I get that too – but it is not an explanation in any shape means or form other than old wives tales and scare mongering. If there were some real science behind it – then I’d pay attention. The fact that there isn’t speaks volumes for me. It is not to say people can’t age overnight, but when that does happen its for just reasons or causes – not some mythical curse that is in place.
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| This is such an interesting thread! I love this idea of age jumps, although I too think it's a load of crap. but it offers an explanation for those who've suffered with what seems like aging overnight. And us women need explanations to what's happening to us, otherwise this is all just way too much to handle! So I get it. |
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Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:35 am |
TheresaMary- I don't know how to reply directly to your comment lol I'm sorry. I'm on my iPad and new at this thread.
Anyway, I agree that scaring people is a terrible way to get across any message. And I also think the Internet itself is a huge scare-mongering-platform with loads of misinformation that we'll sit for hours and read and scare the sh*t out of ourselves. So thank you for alleviating our concerns. When I read the OPs first post, my heart did sink a little. Haha..
Also, when we get all riled up I do believe that lends to the harm of our overall health, skin included being that it's our largest organ. If we could all breathe, think peaceful happy thoughts (I'm talking to myself here too!), and know that we'll get through any/all issues, that could help! A tall order I realize when were staring at ourselves in horror. But it's a goal |
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havana8
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Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:46 am |
This is interesting:
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While some sagging of the skin on your face is just part of aging, it’s true that running can have a negative impact on skin elasticity. Contrary to popular belief, the effect of gravity from the constant pavement pounding isn’t to blame, but rather some experts believe that “cardio and running can cause more oxygen or free-radical damage, which can break or damage the skin’s supportive fibers (collagen and elastin),” says Dr. Annet King, director of training and education at Dermalogica.
But don’t retire your running shoes just yet. According to a 2008 study published in Free Radical Biology and Medicine, only very strenuous exercise leads to signs of cell damage, while moderate exercise—defined as exercising at 40 to 60 percent of your maximum heart rate three to five days per week—has a rejuvenating effect on skin. And don’t worry: HIIT is in the safe zone. The detrimental effects don’t kick in until after 90 minutes of running at 70 to 80 percent of your maximum heart rate, the scientists say. Keep your workouts short and sweaty and you’ll reap all the fat-burning and anti-aging benefits! |
http://www.shape.com/lifestyle/beauty-style/8-exercise-induced-skin-afflictions |
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Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:22 pm |
I've met a bunch of people who believe the world is flat and NASA is trying to cover it up... 
So, there's never a shortage in irrational beliefs.
I guess I can attest to such a time jump (this year I turned 27 which was scary) but I also know I've had a stressful, traumatic year and have done things to my skin I shouldn't have. The accrued damage could have become more apparent that one day, in a new apartment with unfamiliar, unflattering lights installed in the bathroom, after a stressful few weeks and the fact my skin hasn't been exfoliating and has become dry (it's naturally oily). All of a sudden I could see all these fine lines I didn't see before and I started freaking out. 27=youth is gone.
That's why I said we have to approach our image in the mirror with kindness. There are times when I'm in a bad mood and the little things become overwhelming. Other times I just shrug.
Anyway, time jump or not, this is a good community with a wealth of information and I'm sure the OP will put it to good use and try some tried and true methods of anti-aging, if she hasn't already. I'm learning so much and trying new things people recommend and I see some improvement! |
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Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:45 pm |
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| So this last March I went on a 570 mile road bike trip, traveling from San Fran to LA in less than 2 weeks. I had never done anything like that before, and although very fun, it was very hard on my body and consequently my skin. I seem to have aged quickly since then. My skin has lost some tone, glow and plumpness all in a matter of months. I have also been racing bikes this summer on and off, so I dont feel like I have gotten a true break. |
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| ...I went through the birth of a baby, an emotionally abusive relations, break-up of said relationship, multiple major moves (across states and country) and starting a new job ALL in those last 6 years and only after that big bike ride this spring did I actually feel anything negatively, drastically affected my looks...I really don't think I lost a lot of facial fat. Mainly a loss of tone and a loss of my skin's ability to spring back/respond to massage-- elasticity I think it is. |
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| I wish I had focused on the minutae 15 years ago...I wonder if starting vitamin C serum and Vitamin A back then would have prevented much of the skin aging I'm facing now. |
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| "...some experts believe that “cardio and running can cause more oxygen or free-radical damage, which can break or damage the skin’s supportive fibers (collagen and elastin),” says Dr. Annet King, director of training and education at Dermalogica." |
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You have described a “perfect storm” of conditions wherein for a period of months you underwent intense physical exercise accompanied by hours upon hours of intense sun exposure. Intense exercise does, as the reference havana8 cites, drastically increase oxygen metabolism and free radical production throughout the body, and it puts a huge demand on the body’s vitamin C stores to keep up the needed anti-oxidant activity. Without an accompanying substantial increase in dietary vitamin C, it is very easy to become very deficient, and furthermore your skin is at the end-of-the-line, so to speak, in getting any of that dietary vitamin C. Your heart, muscles, tendons, cartilage, and lungs all get their share first, not to mention that your brain always gets its share before any other tissue.
So perhaps you spent an entire summer in a state of vitamin C deficiency in your skin, accompanied by what sounds like nearly constant ultraviolet light bombardment from the sun. UV radiation that induces free radical formation, that without the protection of the skin’s major anti-oxidant (you guessed it, vitamin C), damages DNA, lipids and proteins, including the basement membrane collagen and elastin. Furthermore, vitamin C is necessary for the proper formation of replacement collagen and elastin, and in its deficit, the skin produces collagen and elastin that are improperly cross-linked, and that are therefore inelastic.
In my opinion, you most certainly did experience an “age jump,” but it wasn’t random and it wasn’t unavoidable. When Needl speculates about whether using vitamin C serum over the past 15 years might have prevented some of the aging that she is dealing with now…well, all I can say is, that is what vitamin C serum is for. It’s hard to go back, so do your kids a favor and get them using vitamin C early. They are the ones who stand to gain the most benefit from a lifetime of prevention. |
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Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:08 pm |
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| It’s hard to go back, so do your kids a favor and get them using vitamin C early. They are the ones who stand to gain the most benefit from a lifetime of prevention. |
It's hard to get yourself to use something consistently when you don't see immediate results.
Is there a HG C serum you guys use? Is it normal not to see any effects? People talk of a brightening effect and I don't get it when I use mine so maybe I should switch?
Regarding cardio, why do it at all when resistance training, as the girls on here who do facial exercises can personally attest to, seems to have proven 'youth-retaining' properties?
I don't doubt cardio has some benefits on oxigination and cardiovascular health but I think playing a tug of war with gravity is a game you are guaranteed to lose. Why would 'a little' moderate cardio over a prolonged period of time (i.e., your life) would be better than NONE? (<-- this debate only pertains to skin sag, as this is a skin care forum! ;D)
This is anecdotal but women in their 50s+ who have been avid about strength training, pilates or yoga often have the bodies of 20 years olds.
Not advocating a couch-potato lifestyles here, but I think resistance training > cardio and your only cardio should be things you ENJOY doing like walking, tennis, swimming, playing sports, biking. (I guess it's hard for me to imagine genuinely liking jogging, but, if it makes you happy-- I'm always for it! ;D) |
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Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:23 pm |
I haven’t had a chance to look into this article further or the study cited (if someone does, please share your findings!) but I thought this was another interesting read:
This Is the Age When You Start to Visibly Look Older
A new skin study tells all—including the secret of “exceptional agers.”
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”We used to think everything was great until about age 35, when all the skin processes started to slow down at once,” says Olay principal scientist Dr. Frauke Neuser. “But that’s not what we found. In reality, different cell processes change at each decade, until you start seeing the cumulative effects all together.
After analyzing the genes of more than 200 women of different ethnicities over the course of two years, the study was able to pinpoint five different cell processes that slow or decline at five different landmark ages. |
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| What you’re probably still wondering is when exactly these internal changes become visible. Experts say that depends on your race and, possibly, your lifestyle. For Caucasian women, it’s typically around the late 30s. “This is when fine lines on the forehead and around the eyes, less-elastic skin, and brown spots and broken capillaries from accumulated sun damage crop up,” says Yagoda. If you’re a woman of color, the tipping point is more likely in your 40s. “African-American women aged, on average, 10 years more slowly than Caucasians in our study, which could be seen not only in skin appearance, but also in underlying gene expression,” says Kimball. It’s thought that darker skin provides more UV protection, but data suggest that can’t be the only reason for the difference; researchers believe more antioxidant protection and higher skin bioenergy levels may also be at play. (So far, only Caucasian and African-American women have been analyzed in the study; data on Asians and Hispanics should be finished by January 2016.) |
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| But there's good news, according to researchers at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario: Aerobic exercise (like jogging or cycling) twice a week has the ability to transform the protein structure of skin in those 65 and older so it more closely resembles the skin of those 20 to 40. |
Read the whole article here: http://www.marieclaire.com/beauty/news/a16636/the-age-when-aging-begins/ |
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Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:59 pm |
Thanks for this. I haven't been able to locate the actual study, but this summary is interesting. They discuss using "genetic studies" to measure the slowing of certain cell processes during aging, and they state:
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| The first process to decline is natural antioxidant production, and that happens in your 20s. "We always thought that you just need to moisturize and use sunscreen in your 20s, but this new data shows that skin is already susceptible to oxidative stressors and damage," says Neuser. Accordingly, the best time to start using products with antioxidants such as stabilized vitamin C, vitamin E, green tea extract, and fruit acids is right around college graduation. |
Interestingly, in most people, the gradual, accumulated damage caused by lowered antioxidant capacity doesn't show for YEARS:
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| What you're probably still wondering is when exactly these internal changes become visible. Experts say that depends on your race and, possibly, your lifestyle. For Caucasian women, it's typically around the late 30s. "This is when fine lines on the forehead and around the eyes, less-elastic skin, and brown spots and broken capillaries from accumulated sun damage crop up," says Yagoda. |
So here they are recommending beginning to use topical antioxidants like vitamin C serum something like 15 YEARS before most people will really notice the effects of having a chronic antioxidant deficiency.
I personally believe that topical vitamin C is effective even much earlier than "college age," because the genetic deficiency related to vitamin C is not a result of a "slowing" in gene activity as we age; in the case of vitamin C, the related gene activity is entirely non-existent from the day we are born. Either way though, this article might help some people understand more clearly what the purpose and real proven effects of topical vitamin C are. As they said,
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| "A 60-year-old who has never done anything and buys a $200 antiaging cream just isn't going to see the same results as someone who has been taking care of her skin throughout earlier aging stages," says New York cosmetic dermatologist Dr. Paul Jarrod Frank. |
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Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:41 pm |
I somehow missed the article link. Thank you for this.
I wonder, which products would have effective green tea extract and fruit acids (do they mean AHAs?). Vitamin E is usually added to C serums as a stabiliser; is that enough? |
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Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:50 pm |
| SweetCreamRabbit wrote: |
| It's hard to get yourself to use something consistently when you don't see immediate results. |
That is definitely true.
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| Is it normal not to see any effects? |
You bet. How can you see immediate effects of “anti-aging?” Whether they use vitamin C serum or not, most people would be hard-pressed to describe any significant difference in the appearance of their skin over a period of say, six months, yet none would suggest that their skin isn’t six months older. The primary benefit of topical vitamin C is protective rather than therapeutic, so expecting to see some kinds of immediate, visual indications of its effectiveness is somewhat like expecting your car to look many years newer six months after applying a protective coating to the paint. The point is to prevent the paint from aging and looking older. Fact is, what you’re really looking for in the long run, whether it’s your car or your skin we’re talking about, is NO change versus a change for the worse.
I’m not saying that some people don’t report improvements in the appearance of their skin, and there are certainly plenty of scientific studies to support physiological mechanisms by which topical vitamin C might provide a “brightening” of the skin, or a “lessening” of the darkness of some types of pigmented areas, or a “minimizing” of the appearance of fine lines. The hydrating effects on the stratum corneum are well documented, so some people see and feel a general “smoothing” which is very immediate. But these effects have been promoted so strongly that many people conclude that if you don’t experience them, then vitamin C “isn’t working.” Quite to the contrary, if the product you’re using actually increases the vitamin C levels deeper in the living tissues of the epidermis and dermis, then it is very likely helping neutralize the free radicals caused by oxygen metabolism and UV radiation. And therefore is protecting the tissues from the accumulation of damage that is believed to be the source of 90% of what we perceive as “aging” of the skin (and that many scientists believe are a major source of the DNA damage that ultimately results in skin cancers). This ability to fight these free radicals is what is meant by the term “anti-oxidant,” because the damage these free radicals cause is due to the fact that they are powerful oxidants. It’s the long-term protective effects that are the real point and purpose of using topical vitamin C, and these effects are not something that you will necessarily perceive visually.
So this poses a real dilemma in selecting a product to use, doesn’t it? Is there not any visual indication that might give you a clue as to whether the particular serum you are using is really effective? Well, there is one. Almost everyone who regularly uses an effective topical vitamin C will experience the photoprotective effect of vitamin C. In other words, your skin will be much less prone to sunburn. This is due to the anti-oxidant activity that reduces the skin damage that results in the redness and inflammation that we call sunburn (vitamin C doesn’t absorb UV radiation except in a very narrow band, so it doesn’t protect by a sunscreen effect). Now, whether or not you notice this photoprotection will, of course, depend on a lot of things, such as whether you always avoid the sun anyway (either by shade or sunblock). And this isn’t a perfect indication that the product is actually enhancing skin vitamin C levels either…what if the product contains some type of sunscreen or sunblocker anyway? Did you know that ferulic acid, for example, is a broad-spectrum UV light absorber? Vitamin E also absorbs a significantly broad spectrum of UV light, and so provides at least a minimal sunscreen effect. How can you know if the product you’re using really enhances the vitamin C levels in your skin cells, or if its photoprotective effects are simply due to the sunscreen effects of other ingredients?
There is only one bit of advice I can give here. The known, proven antioxidant, photoprotective, collagen-producing effects of vitamin C are due to the enhanced amount of the NATURAL forms of vitamin C in the skin. There are only two forms of natural vitamin C, and they are called l-ascorbic acid and l-dehydroascorbic acid. Many “vitamin C” skin serums contain chemical forms of vitamin C that are not natural, including a whole host of “stabilized” derivatives. Products containing these derivatives are more stable, so they have a longer shelf-life (they don’t turn yellow as fast). This is a great benefit to the manufacturer/distributor, since they don’t have to absorb the cost of destroying as much old, unsold inventory. (As an aside, have you ever wondered about those “great deals” on the expensive name-brand serums that you see on e-Bay occasionally? Ever wonder if someone, somehow gets there hands on some old, withdrawn inventory that was supposed to have been destroyed?) Anyway, back to the point, although these stable derivatives are of great benefit to the manufacturer, the question I think you should ask yourself is whether these derivatives are any great benefit to YOU. The reason they are more stable is because the active, electron-donating sites on the vitamin C molecule are blocked by chemically bonding another chemical to these sites (that is what is meant by “derivatization”). That other chemical must be removed from the molecule in order to release the normal, active, natural vitamin C molecule that a cell can utilize. If you do your homework, you will find that there is always some study that “proves” that there is some enzyme in your skin capable of cleaving the derivative to release natural vitamin C. If you have sufficient background in chemistry and biology to truly understand these studies, you will find that they seldom answer the question as to just how efficient these enzymatic processes are; in other words, just how many natural vitamin C molecules can your skin cells actually get from 100 molecules of the derivative? Furthermore, (still requiring some chemistry background), you will understand that these derivatives, since they have additional chemicals attached to the vitamin C molecule, have a larger molecular weight than natural vitamin C. What that means is that a product with say, 5% of a derivative has less vitamin C molecules than a product containing 5% natural vitamin C. An extreme case? A popular vitamin C derivative called TETRA is 7 times heavier than ascorbic acid. A product containing 7% TETRA has only as many vitamin C molecules, drop-for-drop, as a product containing 1% l-ascorbic acid.
So my advice? Whether you make your own DIY serum, or purchase it, always use natural vitamin C. |
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Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:24 am |
ReC, are you implying you have some background in chemistry?
You seem very knowledgeable and I can't help but let my curiosity get the better of me: What's your routine like?
So you favour LAA versus other forms of C? That's what I've gathered so far from my research; the less stable the form, the more bio-available it seems to be and LAA seems to be the way to go. I've tried powdered LAA but I guess didn't trust myself with DIY or maybe I just like the idea of a ready-made serum with the C-E-FrA trifecta.
H.Kitty and I were discussing the metallic smell after application. I suggested it was a sign of oxidation. I apply it with the curtains drawn and I wait for 25m before anything else. Is there something I'm missing or has the product gone bad? It's barely a month old!
Another observation we discussed was a negative effect on acne prone skin. Is this a possibility at all or something wrong with the product itself?
This is the reason I asked for your opinion on a specific brand. I've tried quite a few and I can't, for the most part, tell them apart. (So far, Cellex-C was the best.) The tendency to include colour and fragrance to mask the possible loss of the efficiency is also worrying.
Do you just dilute LAA powder in water at a 15% ratio and be done with it?
It can be very disheartening to discover that after 8 years of C usage your 'car' hasn't maintained its condition. I have a hard time keeping the faith since I'm seeing premature aging that is not typical for my family, even though I have been an avid skin care junky for a good while.
I haven't used vitamin C for long though. Maybe just a year. So I guess I can't put the blame in that... |
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Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:42 pm |
Hi SweetCreamRabbit,
ReCverin is selling a product, so hardly unbiased. I am new so I can't post links but just google ReCverin. |
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Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:03 pm |
| SweetCreamRabbit wrote: |
This is the reason I asked for your opinion on a specific brand. |
I'm a manufacturer of a brand of vitamin C serums. For that reason, it is inappropriate for me to either promote or criticize specific brands on this forum (and doing so would probably get me banned). I try to restrict my comments to the science behind topical vitamin C in general, and to specific ingredients, particularly the specific chemical forms of vitamin C. I have a lot of background in chemistry, physiology, and medical laboratory science.
| SweetCreamRabbit wrote: |
| ...maybe I just like the idea of a ready-made serum with the C-E-FrA trifecta. H.Kitty and I were discussing the metallic smell after application. I suggested it was a sign of oxidation. |
In my experience with pure vitamin C solutions, neither a metallic smell nor an odor of "meat or bacon" is associated with the vitamin C in those solutions whether they are oxidized or not.
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| Another observation we discussed was a negative effect on acne prone skin. |
I have read many times statements from people who said they tried vitamin C and it resulted in a flare-up. However, many people experience a flare-up upon beginning any new agent...for example, immediate flare-ups are very common when people go on a tretinoin regimen. I think people abandon vitamin C too soon.
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| The tendency to include colour and fragrance to mask the possible loss of the efficiency is also worrying. |
I think too many skin care products of all kinds contain too many ingredients. However, there is a great tendency for consumers to select products with a huge list of exotic-sounding ingredients, even if they don't have a clue what those ingredients are. Fragrances are pleasant, and the very first thing you notice about any skin care product, so even though they can be culprits in bad skin reactions, they are found in many products. Most manufacturers of a skin care products will do whatever it takes to sell it, thus the most elegant container, long list of ingredients phrased in the most elegant sounding terms, pleasant fragrances, etc., some of which is just fluff and some of which actually makes a product detrimental to healthy skin.
My philosophy is that using the simplest, purest solution of an ingredient like vitamin C is the best way to discover whether or not that substance is responsible for either good or bad skin responses.
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| Do you just dilute LAA powder in water at a 15% ratio and be done with it? |
That is the simplest, purest solution you could get, however, applied to the skin, the water evaporates and the AA precipitates as a dust on your skin's surface. It can't be absorbed unless it remains in solution. That is why the most basic serum should include glycerin.
Edit: As I was writing this, another member posted a message pointing out that I am a seller of skin care products, and therefore am not unbiased. I fully admit that is true. |
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Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:25 pm |
| I see your dilemma...thanks for your thoughtful replies ReC I will definitely consider your advice when shopping for my next vitamin C serum (which should be soon!). |
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