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Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:59 pm  |
| llina I enjoy your open joyful spirit. bless you. |
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Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:02 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| llina I enjoy your open joyful spirit. bless you. |
i love you too sistersweetiesss!! 
and i missed you too. 
*warm gentle hugs for superS*
keep up the great work with the tananka. you're looking mighty fine! and ohhh soooo beautiful inside! |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:51 am |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| llina I enjoy your open joyful spirit. bless you. |
Me too Ilina!
I often get a chuckle from your posts, you're so sweet...and you too sister sweets!  |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:07 am |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
Its great that we have Critic but I think its also very important to note that Critic has not been personally taught by the lady from Tanaka (or if she has, she hasn’t said so) and is simply sharing her own views on what she has learned, which may not be suitable for everyone, or can produce different effects. Just as with TCM, she is an avid follower and has learned much, but does not have the training or qualifications in TCM to be able to practice this with others. I think its very important to note that. Sure try out her suggestions if they feel suitable to you, but pay attention to how your body responds.
There isn't one rule for everyone unfortunately with the face or our general health, and so what works for me won't work for everyone and same for Critic, what works for her won't work for everyone. |
I am actually not an avid follower on TCM, many of the things that I am doing and recommending are common sense. What I am really following every day is including : combing my hair, foot bath, eat the right food and avoid the wrong food, be happy, talk, laugh and sleep a lot. Don't expect I drink the yucky herbal tea everyday, I only drink it when I am sick and always will go to see dr. for a prescription. When I had a flu last time, she said there is only one flu in the westerns but 1000+ different type of flu in TCM. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:18 am |
Sean is right that I have not learned or trained in TCM or massage, but as we are grow-up so I do believe you can judge what do the best for you in a few days like Atester has said.
I just like reading and testing, I think it's good enough for me because I am not in the beauty industry. I lived many places in my life and will always take the opportunities to learn something new from that country. Like when I lived in Switzerland, I learned how to make cheese in Gruyere, when I lived in Brussels, I learned how to make the waffles, when I lived in Paris, I learned facial massage from a private tutor. I did not ask for any certificate because I don't think I end-up will sell cheese or waffles. (P.S. I did not have kids when I was in Europe, time was flexible)
And now I'm in China, I have tried to find time to take a TCM course, one of my goal in 2010! I'm not interested to be a TCM practitioner (I have a better job!) but it should be fun to know more and help myself and the others.
I certaily will take a course with Tanaka if we have a chance to live in Tokyo. The most expensive place in Asia.
Anyway, my husband said my waffle is better than any 5-star hotels that he has stayed. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:26 am |
ATester, Its not that my massage is long, but it incorporates many different elements. When I was trying to write it up in a book, I had spent ages and it kept growing and growing as I've been doing the massage for so long, there are many things I do that I have developed myself with people.
It would take time to explain things like lymph, muscles, connective tissue and how to stimulate each one of those, what can be challenging to those etc. If I were to produce such instructions, I would want them to be useable by everyone and anyone, but also to provide information so people could make sense of the instructions. Is that not good - no?
I have trained in massage, but the instructions given to me are usually given with a live demonstration, and then you attempt to replicate the techniques under supervision of tutors. For example in lymphatic massage, you will be given a recommended protocol for dealing with your clients in the first semester to follow, and that would be demonstrated so you knew the material so well. If it wasn't demonstrated, it could be open to misintrepretation.
My massage contains so many different elements of things I've studied, and is an all rounder for my face, and what I've developed with working with clients. I don't think its fair for me to give out incomplete instructions, and cause someone to go into detox overload. Maybe one day I'll return to the book idea, but it takes time to write things up so people have all the information that they need to carry out a procedure correctly.
Sean
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Time? Is your massage so long? Anyhow I was under the impression you work in this field, so you would have instructions on hand, may be wrong, sorry if that is so.
I agree there is no one rule for everyone... but it would be useful to try out your massage to see if it is useful... I think we are all grown up to decide whether it is good or not after a few days. Please share. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:29 am |
It can be surprising at times to learn that what we as individuals interpret as common sense isn't intrepreted by others in the same sense. Thats one of the reasons I mentioned in the TCM thread that its best to work with a practitioner qualified in that subject as it contains so many different and difficult concepts to understand. Not all TCM is solely based on herbs after all.
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| I am actually not an avid follower on TCM, many of the things that I am doing and recommending are common sense. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:38 am |
| llina wrote: |
when you have time, let let us know what you're doing.
and keep us updated to the things you're trying.
please don't rush for us, i know you have a family and children, and work, and are VERY busy. whenever you have time. i'm just grateful that i can learn healthy alternatives from you!!!
5 out of 5!!!
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I want to share this with you and the rest. I had lunch with one of my friend today, I have not seen her for 4-5 months. She screamed at me in the restaurant, “What have you done to your face? Why is it so slim? You had Botox?” She knows me very well that I have stayed the same weight and thought I had Botox. The reason that she is so interested is her face is even bigger than my Pic 1, she has lots of fat on her face. By now, I will say I am more experience in reading fat/puffy, I can tell she is puffy from her double-chin and chubby cheeks. She was so excited when I told her I am doing the Tanaka massage, and keeps asking for the techniques, I asked her to go get the book and DVD for USD3.5.
She is the best person to prove the face slimming from the massage, I will ask her to take a pre-massage photo. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:41 am |
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ATester, Its not that my massage is long, but it incorporates many different elements. When I was trying to write it up in a book, I had spent ages and it kept growing and growing as I've been doing the massage for so long, there are many things I do that I have developed myself with people.
It would take time to explain things like lymph, muscles, connective tissue and how to stimulate each one of those, what can be challenging to those etc. If I were to produce such instructions, I would want them to be useable by everyone and anyone, but also to provide information so people could make sense of the instructions. Is that not good - no?
I have trained in massage, but the instructions given to me are usually given with a live demonstration, and then you attempt to replicate the techniques under supervision of tutors. For example in lymphatic massage, you will be given a recommended protocol for dealing with your clients in the first semester to follow, and that would be demonstrated so you knew the material so well. If it wasn't demonstrated, it could be open to misintrepretation.
My massage contains so many different elements of things I've studied, and is an all rounder for my face, and what I've developed with working with clients. I don't think its fair for me to give out incomplete instructions, and cause someone to go into detox overload. Maybe one day I'll return to the book idea, but it takes time to write things up so people have all the information that they need to carry out a procedure correctly.
Sean
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Time? Is your massage so long? Anyhow I was under the impression you work in this field, so you would have instructions on hand, may be wrong, sorry if that is so.
I agree there is no one rule for everyone... but it would be useful to try out your massage to see if it is useful... I think we are all grown up to decide whether it is good or not after a few days. Please share. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:46 am |
http://www.lasercareclinic.com.hk/services_DYSPORT.html
I found some before/after on botox face slimming, please scroll to the bottom. I think I can sell my before/after photos to them, more convincing, right? It said the botox can only last for 6 months. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:09 am |
LOL well I'd love to someday (and who knows maybe I will), but at the moment its just not possible. Besides, as I found when writing my book, its not just massage, my routine is a combination of facial exercises, massage and good skincare but also I think its vitally important to eat the right kind of diet for your own body (which differs person to person) and it would take time to collate that data and present it in an easy to understandable fashion. If I do such a project, I want to make sure its the best possible thing I could do, and whether a book or dvd that takes time.
Critic maybe you should also do a dvd - as your doing Tanaka, Bone and all - maybe you could develop your own routine based on a combination of all of those
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ATester, Its not that my massage is long, but it incorporates many different elements. When I was trying to write it up in a book, I had spent ages and it kept growing and growing as I've been doing the massage for so long, there are many things I do that I have developed myself with people.
It would take time to explain things like lymph, muscles, connective tissue and how to stimulate each one of those, what can be challenging to those etc. If I were to produce such instructions, I would want them to be useable by everyone and anyone, but also to provide information so people could make sense of the instructions. Is that not good - no?
I have trained in massage, but the instructions given to me are usually given with a live demonstration, and then you attempt to replicate the techniques under supervision of tutors. For example in lymphatic massage, you will be given a recommended protocol for dealing with your clients in the first semester to follow, and that would be demonstrated so you knew the material so well. If it wasn't demonstrated, it could be open to misintrepretation.
My massage contains so many different elements of things I've studied, and is an all rounder for my face, and what I've developed with working with clients. I don't think its fair for me to give out incomplete instructions, and cause someone to go into detox overload. Maybe one day I'll return to the book idea, but it takes time to write things up so people have all the information that they need to carry out a procedure correctly.
Sean
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Time? Is your massage so long? Anyhow I was under the impression you work in this field, so you would have instructions on hand, may be wrong, sorry if that is so.
I agree there is no one rule for everyone... but it would be useful to try out your massage to see if it is useful... I think we are all grown up to decide whether it is good or not after a few days. Please share. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:17 am |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
LOL well I'd love to someday (and who knows maybe I will), but at the moment its just not possible. Besides, as I found when writing my book, its not just massage, my routine is a combination of facial exercises, massage and good skincare but also I think its vitally important to eat the right kind of diet for your own body (which differs person to person) and it would take time to collate that data and present it in an easy to understandable fashion. If I do such a project, I want to make sure its the best possible thing I could do, and whether a book or dvd that takes time.
Critic maybe you should also do a dvd - as your doing Tanaka, Bone and all - maybe you could develop your own routine based on a combination of all of those
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| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
ATester, Its not that my massage is long, but it incorporates many different elements. When I was trying to write it up in a book, I had spent ages and it kept growing and growing as I've been doing the massage for so long, there are many things I do that I have developed myself with people.
It would take time to explain things like lymph, muscles, connective tissue and how to stimulate each one of those, what can be challenging to those etc. If I were to produce such instructions, I would want them to be useable by everyone and anyone, but also to provide information so people could make sense of the instructions. Is that not good - no?
I have trained in massage, but the instructions given to me are usually given with a live demonstration, and then you attempt to replicate the techniques under supervision of tutors. For example in lymphatic massage, you will be given a recommended protocol for dealing with your clients in the first semester to follow, and that would be demonstrated so you knew the material so well. If it wasn't demonstrated, it could be open to misintrepretation.
My massage contains so many different elements of things I've studied, and is an all rounder for my face, and what I've developed with working with clients. I don't think its fair for me to give out incomplete instructions, and cause someone to go into detox overload. Maybe one day I'll return to the book idea, but it takes time to write things up so people have all the information that they need to carry out a procedure correctly.
Sean
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Time? Is your massage so long? Anyhow I was under the impression you work in this field, so you would have instructions on hand, may be wrong, sorry if that is so.
I agree there is no one rule for everyone... but it would be useful to try out your massage to see if it is useful... I think we are all grown up to decide whether it is good or not after a few days. Please share. |
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Do a DVD is cheap here, I have do it all the time for my company, the prof. house (They are French) charge less than USD1000 for one day shoting, including lighting and setup + unlimited cutting and editing according to my requests. The, the cost for producing a DVD (incuding cover wrap design etc) is no more than USD1 each. Minimum 50 DVDs. Would you like to make one here? I'm not qualified to make one, I am just a housewife. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:48 am |
I'm sure it may be cheap to do a dvd there, but getting there probably is quite costly. Its great though re pricing in comparison to that which it would cost here. Maybe one day. Re making a dvd - I didn’t mean you make it, but produce one showing all the techniques you show like Tanaka, bone etc and the others that you do.
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| Do a DVD is cheap here, I have do it all the time for my company, the prof. house (They are French) charge less than USD1000 for one day shoting, including lighting and setup + unlimited cutting and editing according to my requests. The, the cost for producing a DVD (incuding cover wrap design etc) is no more than USD1 each. Minimum 50 DVDs. Would you like to make one here? I'm not qualified to make one, I am just a housewife. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:52 am |
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| llina wrote: |
when you have time, let let us know what you're doing.
and keep us updated to the things you're trying.
please don't rush for us, i know you have a family and children, and work, and are VERY busy. whenever you have time. i'm just grateful that i can learn healthy alternatives from you!!!
5 out of 5!!!
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I want to share this with you and the rest. I had lunch with one of my friend today, I have not seen her for 4-5 months. She screamed at me in the restaurant, “What have you done to your face? Why is it so slim? You had Botox?” She knows me very well that I have stayed the same weight and thought I had Botox. The reason that she is so interested is her face is even bigger than my Pic 1, she has lots of fat on her face. By now, I will say I am more experience in reading fat/puffy, I can tell she is puffy from her double-chin and chubby cheeks. She was so excited when I told her I am doing the Tanaka massage, and keeps asking for the techniques, I asked her to go get the book and DVD for USD3.5.
She is the best person to prove the face slimming from the massage, I will ask her to take a pre-massage photo. |
you're a good friend, critic.
i know alot of girls or so called 'friends' that will keep their beauty secrets, 'secret' from even their friends. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:54 am |
What kind of dvd's do you make. I never knew that before that this was something you do! Must be interesting.
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| Do a DVD is cheap here, I have do it all the time for my company, the prof. house (They are French) charge less than USD1000 for one day shoting, including lighting and setup + unlimited cutting and editing according to my requests. The, the cost for producing a DVD (incuding cover wrap design etc) is no more than USD1 each. Minimum 50 DVDs. Would you like to make one here? I'm not qualified to make one, I am just a housewife. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:03 am |
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http://www.lasercareclinic.com.hk/services_DYSPORT.html
I found some before/after on botox face slimming, please scroll to the bottom. I think I can sell my before/after photos to them, more convincing, right? It said the botox can only last for 6 months. |
amazing!
how is that the same botox can plump up and smooth wrinkles, while at the same time slim other areas. very interesting indeed.
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i have noticed that while doing tanaka/bone, that my face is more relaxed. then when i get to work, i notice that i am CLENCHING my jaws. so much so that i notice parts of my face aching. so then i de-CLENCH. i wonder if this has something to do with botox and facial massage (tanaka).
just as when we're sad and depressed... everything sags, including our face. it sags, get swollen looking, and the colour has a sickness about it. whereas when we're happy and laughing, the complexion is rosy and glowing, the face is tighter, and the contours are accentuated/more defined/lifted, without looking GAUNT/SINEWY. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:13 am |
| brierrose wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| llina I enjoy your open joyful spirit. bless you. |
Me too Ilina!
I often get a chuckle from your posts, you're so sweet...and you too sister sweets! |
hey brierrose,
good to hear from ya!
update us with your progress. tanaka? bone?
what's up girl? |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:57 am |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
What kind of dvd's do you make. I never knew that before that this was something you do! Must be interesting.
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| Do a DVD is cheap here, I have do it all the time for my company, the prof. house (They are French) charge less than USD1000 for one day shooting, including lighting and setup + unlimited cutting and editing according to my requests. The, the cost for producing a DVD (including cover wrap design etc) is no more than USD1 each. Minimum 50 DVDs. Would you like to make one here? I'm not qualified to make one, I am just a housewife. |
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I do events, conference and publication production and marketing. I make DVD for each event/conference, DVDs are not content driven, they are for branding and marketing. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:21 am |
to Critic and other tanaka experts,
1) Step 8 - to help the looseness of the cheek and become a small face beauty
This is the step where we use the fat part of the palm near our thumb. On the book, it says to apply pressure on both sides of the nose. However, in the video clip, the lady is pushing from the chin upwards to the sides of the nose.
Which is the correct method?
2) Amount of strength to be used. Critic, i read your posting stating that your arms are tired after the massage. Is this for tanaka massage or the bone massage?
3) Is there any massages or anything we can do to combat neck lines? A young and tight face looks weird on wrinkly neck!
The lines on the side of the mouth is helped greatly by Tanaka so I am hoping there is something we can do for the neck lines.
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:27 am |
Critic, I am very very excited after reading this post. I have fat, round cheeks and face from young. When I was underweight as a child, my face was a tad fat. Now that I am above average for Asian girls, my face is round, round, round.
Really hope my face will slim down. I'm always too late to see your picture =(
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I want to share this with you and the rest. I had lunch with one of my friend today, I have not seen her for 4-5 months. She screamed at me in the restaurant, “What have you done to your face? Why is it so slim? You had Botox?” She knows me very well that I have stayed the same weight and thought I had Botox. The reason that she is so interested is her face is even bigger than my Pic 1, she has lots of fat on her face. By now, I will say I am more experience in reading fat/puffy, I can tell she is puffy from her double-chin and chubby cheeks. She was so excited when I told her I am doing the Tanaka massage, and keeps asking for the techniques, I asked her to go get the book and DVD for USD3.5.
She is the best person to prove the face slimming from the massage, I will ask her to take a pre-massage photo. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:54 am |
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| http://www.lasercareclinic.com.hk/services_DYSPORT.html |
Wow... a bit off topic... This is an excellent link that shows a difference in cultural interpretation of beauty and such.
I find it very interesting that people would botox their calves to apparently remove the appearance of muscular development. I think it is almost the opposite here in the US... When my leg was removed from a cast and had lost all muscle tone becoming so skinny and lacking shape, I must have cried for hours. The implication for looks, strength and whether I'd ever dance again... well, I can hardly express the distress.
Interesting to see the amount of botox used below the forehead. I was unaware that was done very often. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:40 am |
I can't help but comment - I thought the pictures were interesting as well. Maybe it is not so much the calf as trying to fix something I am also combatting: the dreaded "cankle"! (lol) Some of us just have less tapering. Also, I think the "big calf" thing is not "across the board" Western. I like to have powerful legs, but not bulky legs - I always am stretching them so that they don't bulk up.
That is, I'm not disagreeing with you, Claudia - "fit" is the desired aesthetic, and if your leg was looking emaciated, not to mention, you were concerned about its function - that would certainly make me very upset. I hope it is back to normal (or soon - I'm not sure when you had your cast off).
What I am wondering is, does it affect how they walk? Botox is supposed to paralyze the muscle, right? So, how does that work? I realize that they don't put it into the whole muscle, but still, you have to wonder.
Just a little aside: I have a friend who did a lot of biking, and her husband, clueless, complimented her on her "thunder thighs". Boy, was he in the doghouse! 
Okay, back on topic: Thank you, Critic, for the Tanaka massage. It has been amazing for me! |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:56 am |
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I can't help but comment - I thought the pictures were interesting as well. Maybe it is not so much the calf as trying to fix something I am also combatting: the dreaded "cankle"! (lol) Some of us just have less tapering. Also, I think the "big calf" thing is not "across the board" Western. I like to have powerful legs, but not bulky legs - I always am stretching them so that they don't bulk up.
That is, I'm not disagreeing with you, Claudia - "fit" is the desired aesthetic, and if your leg was looking emaciated, not to mention, you were concerned about its function - that would certainly make me very upset. I hope it is back to normal (or soon - I'm not sure when you had your cast off).
What I am wondering is, does it affect how they walk? Botox is supposed to paralyze the muscle, right? So, how does that work? I realize that they don't put it into the whole muscle, but still, you have to wonder.
Just a little aside: I had a friend who did a lot of biking, and her husband, clueless, complimented her on her "thunder thighs". Boy, was he in the doghouse!
Okay, back on topic: Thank you, Critic, for the Tanaka massage. It has been amazing for me! |
Oh... that's just the brilliance of the fact that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder..."
thanks for concern... leg drama was over 10 years ago. All corrected.
Well.. I have no idea where they would shoot the botox into the leg. Cause I can tell you from experience. You can walk on a very atrophied calf muscle... But you can't do anything that requires strength, or much for any length of time... You will not be able to dance in toe shoes (my experience).. and you'd invite breaking new bones. But yes, that's WAY off topic. |
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:23 am |
My mother has always taught me that inner beauty is more important than outer beauty. Naturally, it is best to have both! 
I believe this is cross cultural.
Thank you Critic for sharing with us. I came across Tanaka massage on a magazine (Queen's), but did not attempt it until I read your postings. Thank you for being so generous with your knowledge and time. Alot of girls would have kept quiet about their secret.
You're both beautiful inside and out.
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:41 am |
"beauty is in the eye of the beholder..." <-- this is very true.
With respect to legs, I feel that alot of Asian girls like to have toned and shapely legs. A skinny and shapeless leg is not desired and we have a saying for them (chicken legs or incense legs). Muscular legs/calves are also not preferred as there is an emphasis on the difference between males vs females. In fact, my own mum and many other gf's mother always nag at them not to wear heels that are too high for fear of developing muscular, manly calves!
I believe part of the difference is that Asian men are of smaller built =)
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Wow... a bit off topic... This is an excellent link that shows a difference in cultural interpretation of beauty and such.
I find it very interesting that people would botox their calves to apparently remove the appearance of muscular development. I think it is almost the opposite here in the US... When my leg was removed from a cast and had lost all muscle tone becoming so skinny and lacking shape, I must have cried for hours. The implication for looks, strength and whether I'd ever dance again... well, I can hardly express the distress.
Interesting to see the amount of botox used below the forehead. I was unaware that was done very often. |
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normal to combination skin that is sensitive. cheeks have large, visible pores and flush very easily. most SAs tell me "dehydrated on the outside, oily on the inside"! |
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| Fri Nov 21, 2025 4:28 pm |
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