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Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:05 pm  |
I found a few references to Zinc being irritating on broken skin. I had carefully documented my sources before my computer crashed and lost it AAAAARRRGH!!!!
Most of those were referring to use on deeper wounds. I also fond mention of Zinc as being anti-inflammatory which is NOT what we need with derma rolling.
I discovered that there are 7 types of zinc. So, I looked up the ingredients in A+D Ointment to see which type of zinc was used. I found numerous brands of A+D Ointment. They all had the same ingredients and NONE of them contained zinc of any kind. The only similar product that had A, D, and Zinc was good old-fashioned diaper cream.
Active Ingredients:
Petrolatum 94.8% w/w
Inactive Ingredients: cod liver oil (Contains Vitamin A & Vitamin D), fragrance, lanolin, propylparaben.
Please feel free to point it out if I'm missing something obvious. |
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:15 pm |
| After having looked up Indofalan on the net, IMHO it is just that - a good old fashioned diaper rash cream! Not that there's anything wrong with that! |
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:26 pm |
BALMEX
Active Ingredient: Zinc Oxide (11.3%).
Inactive Ingredients: Aloe Vera Gel, Balsan (Specially Purified Balsam Peru), Beeswax, Benzoic Acid, Dimethicone, Methylparaben, Mineral Oil, Propylparaben, Purified Water, Sodium Borate, Tocopheryl (Vitamin E Acetate).
Indications and Uses: Balmex helps treat and prevent diaper rash while it moisturizes and nourishes the skin. The zinc oxide based formulation provides a protective barrier on the skin against the natural causes of irritation. Balmex spreads on smooth and wipes off the baby easily, without causing irritation
Written: Mar 13 '01 (Updated Mar 14 '01)
Product Rating:
Pros: Wonderful healing and protecting power!
Cons: Hard to clean off of walls and sometimes bottoms!
The Bottom Line: The cream protects and the healing power is amazing! the healing is almost instantanious. Wiping off can be a chore. Works to protect dry skin and minor abrasions as well.
BlonbabyDawn's Full Review: Balmex Diaper Rash Ointment
“Why didn’t someone tell me earlier?” is all I have to ask. Now with a potty training two-year-old, I’m wondering why it took me 4 years to find this wonder of a diaper rash ointment! I’ve tried Desitin and A&D Ointment, I’ve even tried prescription brands. Nothing has worked a miracle on my baby’s bottom like Balmex has.
Last week my daughter woke up with a horrible diaper rash. No other ointment has ever given me “solid” results. I would usually just bathe her immediately and then let her run around and air out for most of the day. But since it is still chilly and clothes are needed, I had to find something fast to help keep her irritated bum protected.
Off to WALMART I go with my best friend. As we’re searching the baby isle for diaper rash ointments, my eyes flickered across the Balmex. It was up above all the rest and not really easy to see. I picked up the box and asked her if she had ever used this particular brand on her son. She said yes she had and that it worked pretty good. I know Balmex is a well-known brand, but so is Desitin and A&D and I had never gotten the results I wish I would have gotten. Let’s just say they were less than adequate.
The real test began when I got home to apply the cream and see if it really worked.
The Test
Balmex is very easy to apply. The texture is thick and creamy and very soft on the skin. The ointment smells of a baby powder and ointment mix. It’s not at all displeasing; the smell is actually very soft and baby like. The cream spreads smoothly over a baby’s bottom and you can almost see the protection barrier it leaves.
After about an hour I decided it was time for another diaper change because of the severity of the rash. (She had drank a lot of apple juice the day before which caused her the runs...very acidy and made for a bad diaper rash) After taking off her diaper, I noticed an enormous change in the rash. It was almost gone! The Balmex had begun to work the moment I put it on the rash.
I noticed when I took her into the Pediatrician about a year ago for a similar rash, that the Doctor had given her a straight Zinc Oxide cream. This worked wonderfully. The Balmex has this same ingredient in it (11.3%). Zinc Oxide is incredible for diaper rashes. It is a skin protectant, as well as it promotes healing. This unique formula with vitamin E and Aloe also soothes and moisturizes your baby’s skin keeping it well protected against wetness and other irritating things that cause diaper rashes (like acidity).
The box tells us that this ointment wipes off easily. I found that to NOT be true. In fact, not only do a have to do a little scrubbing on the bottom to get it clean of the ointment, getting Balmex off of walls and hands is just as disagreeable and difficult. My daughter is going to be a well known artist one day...(this is what I tell myself so as to keep myself sane) she paints with anything she can get her hands on; shampoo, soap, coffee grinds, juice; BALMEX, you get the picture. Balmex is so thick and it coats so well, that a good SCRUB is needed to get it off walls AND hands, especially in large doses.
Other Uses
Balmex is now being used to treat dry skin on my daughter’s face. It’s working wonderfully! The box states that this ointment can also be used to protect minor burns, cuts, scrapes, sunburn and skin irritations.
Does it work for diaper rashes? YES The best I have ever tried.
Does it work for dry skin? I will keep using it on my daughter. She’s got very sensitive skin, as I do and Balmex does a wonderful job at protecting her.
Will I buy Balmex again?? YES MOST DEFINITELY
Some Inactive Ingredients ( fillers)
Aloe Vera gel (great healing power!!), balsan (specially purified balsam peru), beeswax, benzoic acid, dimethicone, methylparaben, mineral oil, propylparaben, purified water, sodium borate, tocophrey (vitamin E acetate).
For more information:
www.balmex.com
Recommended:
Yes |
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:39 pm |
| Tonia wrote: |
I found a few references to Zinc being irritating on broken skin. I had carefully documented my sources before my computer crashed and lost it AAAAARRRGH!!!!
Most of those were referring to use on deeper wounds. I also fond mention of Zinc as being anti-inflammatory which is NOT what we need with derma rolling.
I discovered that there are 7 types of zinc. So, I looked up the ingredients in A+D Ointment to see which type of zinc was used. I found numerous brands of A+D Ointment. They all had the same ingredients and NONE of them contained zinc of any kind. The only similar product that had A, D, and Zinc was good old-fashioned diaper cream.
Active Ingredients:
Petrolatum 94.8% w/w
Inactive Ingredients: cod liver oil (Contains Vitamin A & Vitamin D), fragrance, lanolin, propylparaben.
Please feel free to point it out if I'm missing something obvious. |
There is this one (from DrugStore.com):
A+D Zinc Oxide Diaper Rash Cream with Aloe 4 oz (113 g)
Active Ingredients: Ointment contains:: Dimethicone (1%) (diaper rash cream), Zinc Oxide (10%) (diaper rash cream)
Inactive Ingredients: Aloe Barbadensis Extract, Benzyl Alcohol, Coconut Oil, Cod Liver Oil (contains vitamin a & vitamin d), Fragrance, Glyceryl Oleate, Light Mineral Oil, Ozokerite, Paraffin, Propylene Glycol, Sorbitol, Synthetic Beeswax, Water |
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:00 pm |
| Tonia wrote: |
I found a few references to Zinc being irritating on broken skin. I had carefully documented my sources before my computer crashed and lost it AAAAARRRGH!!!!
Most of those were referring to use on deeper wounds. I also fond mention of Zinc as being anti-inflammatory which is NOT what we need with derma rolling.
I discovered that there are 7 types of zinc. So, I looked up the ingredients in A+D Ointment to see which type of zinc was used. I found numerous brands of A+D Ointment. They all had the same ingredients and NONE of them contained zinc of any kind. The only similar product that had A, D, and Zinc was good old-fashioned diaper cream.
Active Ingredients:
Petrolatum 94.8% w/w
Inactive Ingredients: cod liver oil (Contains Vitamin A & Vitamin D), fragrance, lanolin, propylparaben.
Please feel free to point it out if I'm missing something obvious. |
Skin benefits from continuous topical administration of a zinc oxide/petrolatum formulation by a novel disposable diaper.
Baldwin S, Odio MR, Haines SL, O'Connor RJ, Englehart JS, Lane AT.
Procter & Gamble Co., Cincinnati, OH 45242, USA. Baldwins@pg.com
BACKGROUND: Diaper dermatitis is a common childhood affliction. Aiming to help reduce the prevalence of this problem, we have advanced in our development of a novel diaper that delivers dermatological formulations to help protect the skin from over-hydration and irritation. OBJECTIVE: To determine the clinical benefits of a novel disposable diaper designed to deliver a zinc oxide and petrolatum-based formulation continuously to the skin during use. METHODS: All studies were independent, blinded, randomized clinical trials. Study A was conducted to confirm transfer of the zinc oxide/petrolatum (ZnO/Pet) formulation from the diaper to the child's skin during use. Children wore a single diaper for 3 h or multiple diapers for 24 h. After the use period, stratum corneum samples were taken from each child and analysed for ZnO/Pet. Study B evaluated the prevention of skin irritation and barrier damage from a standard skin irritant (SLS) in an adult arm model. Study C evaluated skin erythema and diaper rash in 268 infants over a 4-week usage period. One half of the infants used the ZnO/Pet diaper, while the other half used a control diaper that was identical except for the absence of the ZnO/Pet formulation. RESULTS: The ointment formulation and ZnO transferred effectively from the diaper to the child's skin during product use. Transfer of ZnO increased from 4.2 microg/cm2 at 3 h to > 8 microg/cm2 at 24 h. Exposure to the formulations directly on adult skin prior to an irritant challenge was associated with up to a 3.5 reduction in skin barrier damage and skin erythema. Greatest reductions were seen for the ZnO containing formulations. Wearing of the formulation treated diaper was also associated with a significant reduction in skin erythema and diaper rash compared to the control product. CONCLUSIONS: The results demonstrated the clinical benefits associated with continuous topical administration of a zinc oxide/petrolatum-based formulation by this novel diaper.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11720074 |
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:05 pm |
Hello,
The vagina's secretions are supposed to be acidic. Vaginal or vulvar ulcers are a symptom that cries out for an examination; please get these examined when they occur. A good gynecological health care provider will make every effort to squeeze you in when you have a recurring, temporary bump or sore that needs examination. I would not attribute the sores to the acidity of your discharge without making every effort to rule out other possible causes.
Diaper cream (zinc oxide) is a very common treatment to help decrease the discomfort of vulvar or vaginal irritation. I urge you to avoid using numbing creams or antibiotic ointments on the area, as these can often lead to further irritation. You may also get symptomatic relief by taking cool baths three or four times daily and pouring water over the area when you urinate (or urinate in the shower or tub).
http://forums.obgyn.net/womens-health/WHF.0101/2825.html |
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:02 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
Hello,
The vagina's secretions are supposed to be acidic. Vaginal or vulvar ulcers are a symptom that cries out for an examination; please get these examined when they occur. A good gynecological health care provider will make every effort to squeeze you in when you have a recurring, temporary bump or sore that needs examination. I would not attribute the sores to the acidity of your discharge without making every effort to rule out other possible causes.
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How have we managed to go from discussing Dermarolling for product penetration to vaginal ulcers???  |
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:26 pm |
| I found numerous warnings against using zinc oxide on deep wounds, and daresay the pinprick holes created by a roller could qualify as deep wounds. The properties that make it appropriate as a topical ointment for diaper rash may be the same properties that are problematic for helping promote the effectiveness of a roller. |
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:30 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
Hello,
The vagina's secretions are supposed to be acidic. Vaginal or vulvar ulcers are a symptom that cries out for an examination; please get these examined when they occur. A good gynecological health care provider will make every effort to squeeze you in when you have a recurring, temporary bump or sore that needs examination. I would not attribute the sores to the acidity of your discharge without making every effort to rule out other possible causes.
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How have we managed to go from discussing Dermarolling for product penetration to vaginal ulcers??? |
LMAO!
I tried to verify the statement that zinc oxide was irritating and all that came up were studies about diaper/nappies, and that about it's use for vaginal issues!
My take if it is safe for baby's bum and women's delicate tissues then it's safe!
I have stomach pains from laughing!
DM
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Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:33 pm |
| Hermosa wrote: |
| I found numerous warnings against using zinc oxide on deep wounds, and daresay the pinprick holes created by a roller could qualify as deep wounds. The properties that make it appropriate as a topical ointment for diaper rash may be the same properties that are problematic for helping promote the effectiveness of a roller. |
These are the little baby rollers that are being discussed, I dare say that those warnings are about deep gashes! Besides I thought those holes closed rather quickly? Really apples and oranges!
IMHO
DM |
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:06 am |
Well, I don't see "deep" defined anywhere, so I'm not sure how deep it has to be. But the value of zinc oxide, as I understand it, relates to its occlusive, barrier properties. That's great when you're dealing with diaper rash or sunscreen, but may inhibit healing when there's an anaerobic wound (even a small self-imposed one).
Dunno. But why bother mentioning that you're omitting an ingredient? I doubt the serum contains ketchup either. |
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:31 am |
| Hermosa wrote: |
Well, I don't see "deep" defined anywhere, so I'm not sure how deep it has to be. But the value of zinc oxide, as I understand it, relates to its occlusive, barrier properties. That's great when you're dealing with diaper rash or sunscreen, but may inhibit healing when there's an anaerobic wound (even a small self-imposed one).
Dunno. But why bother mentioning that you're omitting an ingredient? I doubt the serum contains ketchup either. |
That is what I am trying to figure out why indeed are they making a point of it being left out of the product?
This diaper ointment is no more occlusive on an anaerobic wound then what is being sold fir use after rolling, it contains lanolin and paraffin wax! Those are just as occlusive to air as zinc oxide!
DM |
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:58 am |
DM - What do you use when you roll? Either for product penetration or deeper rolls?
Since you have quite strong views on what not to use and you do so much research, you must have found really good stuff to use.
(Please don't get touchy, (TIM Sorry you don't care for my wording, but I write the way I choose!); I was in no way having a go at the way you write, just clearing up a misunderstanding of yours; all water under the bridge. I find your lengthy contributions interesting and helpful, and I've even learnt a thing or two about Lady Garden health ) |
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:11 am |
I am not sure if I posted this before or not, but this article is talking about peptides and the delivery into the skin. They mention the Environ Roll-CIT or the Focus-CIT in the article, as well as 2 other rollers (on the side bar). The Environ C-quence range contains the A and C and peptides.
http://www.dermogenesis.com/media/MedEsthetics-Building_Blocks-JulAug09.pdf |
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:40 am |
I'm looking for something I can use on my skin with the short needles and with the longer ones. A lot of us use topicals for both. I brought this up because it seems like something we could use for both.
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Hermosa wrote: |
| I found numerous warnings against using zinc oxide on deep wounds, and daresay the pinprick holes created by a roller could qualify as deep wounds. The properties that make it appropriate as a topical ointment for diaper rash may be the same properties that are problematic for helping promote the effectiveness of a roller. |
These are the little baby rollers that are being discussed, I dare say that those warnings are about deep gashes! Besides I thought those holes closed rather quickly? Really apples and oranges!
IMHO
DM |
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:46 am |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
That is what I am trying to figure out why indeed are they making a point of it being left out of the product?
This diaper ointment is no more occlusive on an anaerobic wound then what is being sold fir use after rolling, it contains lanolin and paraffin wax! Those are just as occlusive to air as zinc oxide!
DM |
I wonder if Zinc Oxide might become impregnated under the skin and become "tattooed" in. That is my big concern with putting things on my skin after micro-needling. |
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:57 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
Hello,
The vagina's secretions are supposed to be acidic. Vaginal or vulvar ulcers are a symptom that cries out for an examination; please get these examined when they occur. A good gynecological health care provider will make every effort to squeeze you in when you have a recurring, temporary bump or sore that needs examination. I would not attribute the sores to the acidity of your discharge without making every effort to rule out other possible causes.
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How have we managed to go from discussing Dermarolling for product penetration to vaginal ulcers??? |
ROFLMAO!!!! Just logged in for the first time since yesterday, and DM and Keliu, you have made my day! ......giggles |
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Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:05 pm |
Here is my take on the zinc oxide question. I too feel that a product that is gentle enough and effective enough to be used on a baby bottom's and "lady parts" is gentle enough for the face. Because it's so very occlusive, if I used this product, I would probably thin it with something like hyaluronic acid or oat beta glucans. I believe in moderation when you are doing anything new to the skin or using a new product. I would have no problem testing this out, but I would thin it a bit, at least at first.
Hermosa, my understanding of the short-needled rollers is that what actually happens is that the needles shove aside the cells to create channels. So that wouldn't qualify as a "deep" wound. However, the channels made by the long needles may indeed qualify as such, especially if they make you bleed at all.
I have been rolling in copper peptides (Skin Signals) with fabulous results. I've even left off my retin-a at night for several nights because the results are so good, I want to apply the copper twice a day right now. Will report back. ~ JJ |
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:05 am |
| jjbeacham wrote: |
I have been rolling in copper peptides (Skin Signals) with fabulous results. I've even left off my retin-a at night for several nights because the results are so good, I want to apply the copper twice a day right now. Will report back. ~ JJ |
JJ - how's it going with the copper peptides? I've seen some results where they have thinned the skin under the eyes (Toby had this problem and took a while to reverse it - did u see her pics on Ageless?). You don't want to reverse all the good work you've done on thickening your skin.
And on a sideline, I bought the TreSonics Facial Cleansing System for peanuts (£11.50) on Ebay; it's almost the same (is the same?) as the Clarisonic one. I'm loving the effect dry brushing is having on my skin for both circulation and a gentle exfoliation. My skin is flourishing at the moment which I mainly put down to this and the bi-weekly 0.5mm rolls and the vaculift (which I stopped for a while whilst doing the Tanaka massage; I've had to stop the massage as the spots resulting from it were getting too much).
Does anyone know a good product for reducing/minimizing the pigmentation marks left from spots that I can use with my roller? |
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:41 am |
| This is Miranda wrote: |
| Does anyone know a good product for reducing/minimizing the pigmentation marks left from spots that I can use with my roller? |
You could try a DIY Glucosamine and Niacinamide serum.
4 tsp. Distilled water
½ tsp. Glucosamine (5%)
¼ tsp. Niacinamide (2.5%)
1 tsp. Glycerin |
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:03 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
| This is Miranda wrote: |
| Does anyone know a good product for reducing/minimizing the pigmentation marks left from spots that I can use with my roller? |
You could try a DIY Glucosamine and Niacinamide serum.
4 tsp. Distilled water
½ tsp. Glucosamine (5%)
¼ tsp. Niacinamide (2.5%)
1 tsp. Glycerin |
Thanks Keliu - I have yet to find a good source for DIY products in London (also I'm terribly lazy when it comes to making my own stuff!).
Have you personally had results from making this? I need some spurring on to get out there and start making my own serums. |
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:40 am |
I'm probably missing something in the discussion, but I am confused as to the benefit of rolling zinc oxide into the skin?
I use Relastin, which IIRC, is a zinc based topical and I am considering rolling that in - but as of yet, have not tried it.
My logic tells me we would only be interested in increasing penetration of active ingredients - that ingredients intended to soothe or repair the barrier need to stay on top....? but then again, WDIK 
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:53 am |
| This is Miranda wrote: |
| jjbeacham wrote: |
I have been rolling in copper peptides (Skin Signals) with fabulous results. I've even left off my retin-a at night for several nights because the results are so good, I want to apply the copper twice a day right now. Will report back. ~ JJ |
JJ - how's it going with the copper peptides? I've seen some results where they have thinned the skin under the eyes (Toby had this problem and took a while to reverse it - did u see her pics on Ageless?). You don't want to reverse all the good work you've done on thickening your skin.
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Miranda, I started using copper peptides (Super CP Serum) slowly and carefully in March, 2009. It didn't cause sagging (except for one eyelid during an experiment) but I couldn't see great results from it, either. In the meantime, I began drybrushing and exercise and my skin thickened up a lot. Still no benefit from Super CP Serum. So I ordered the Skin Signals and Exfol Serum as one last-ditch effort at copper peptides. OMG, I am so glad that I did. Within less than 2 weeks, I could see major changes. Now that I am using the dermaroller with them, the results are even better. I still drybrush and exercise, so I'm not afraid of thinning out my skin. It appears that just the opposite is happening. BTW, this is using the 0.2mm roller several days a week with CP's. When I use the 0.5 each week to ten days, I still use Vit. C and retinyl palmitate, followed by IS Clinical ProHeal.
Yes, I have seen Toby's pictures. The cross-hatching result terrified me. The only way I use CP's near my eyes is by adding a few drops to Neutrogena Visibly Firm eyecream, and I use it only in the morning. At night, I am using MD Forte Skin Rejuvenation Eye on one night and TNS Night Repair Eye on the next night. So in other words, I'm not really getting much copper near the eye area.
The Skin Signals is doing for the rest of my face what my eye treatment duo has done/is doing for the eye area - the best way to describe it is a general smoothing out of everything. Like it's erasing time!!! I am in LOVE!!! ~JJ
P.S. I'm so happy for you that your skin is bouncing back!!! |
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:57 am |
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I'm probably missing something in the discussion, but I am confused as to the benefit of rolling zinc oxide into the skin?
I use Relastin, which IIRC, is a zinc based topical and I am considering rolling that in - but as of yet, have not tried it.
My logic tells me we would only be interested in increasing penetration of active ingredients - that ingredients intended to soothe or repair the barrier need to stay on top....? but then again, WDIK
BF |
BF, that's my understanding also. As long as they are not harsh actives (such as LAA and actual retin-a), it would seem this is the way to go. It's the reason I chose to roll for product penetration - better penetration of actives. I use actives when I roll, always, whether they be copper or other peptides, ester-c, another form of Vitamin C, and/or retinyl palmitate. But I will be very interested in results from anyone using other products, too. BTW, I have used Relastin and liked it very much. ~ JJ |
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:12 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
I'm probably missing something in the discussion, but I am confused as to the benefit of rolling zinc oxide into the skin?
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There is no benefit in rolling zinc oxide in, BFgirl that I am aware of. I think the discussion was about another website stating not to use zinc oxide after rolling and then the question was raised as to why not. |
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